Putin: Ally or Terrorist? (Russian FSB/KGB Real Culprits Behind "Chechen Terrorism")

The New American ^ | February 2002 | William Jasper

[quant5]

opinion meter of these statements:

"Putin is arming and training the terrorists."

Putin armed the middle eastern terrorists, yes. He is not arming the chechen terrorists who are now being supported by the middle eastern terrorists. Soviet plan of using proxy to weaken us has come full circle to bite him in the behind.

"Indeed, he was even arming and training Saddam's troops all the way up to, and during, Operation Iraqi Freedom."

Agreed with this statement except for during. A bunch of old Russian ex-military officers hired as mercenaries hardly constitutes "during". Russia sells weapons and makes money to whoever these days no matter who it effects.

[GIJoel]

Quant5 wrote:

"Yes, they did but the Gulags stopped in the sixties."

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Excerpt from Inside Story: World Report, 1995 (well after the Soviet Union "Collapsed").

Concentration camp survivor Avraham Shifrin was able to leave the Soviet Union in 1970 and move to Israel, where he established the Research Center for Prisons, Psychprisons and Forced Labor Concentration Camps of the USSR. He published his comprehensive research on Soviet camps in 1980, indicating more than 2,000 concentration camps were active-including 119 camps for women and children and at least 41 death camps.1 By 1990, Shifrin reported that some 2,500 camps were now holding an expanded population of 7 million inmates under Mikhail Gorbachev's regime.2

But more chillingly, Shifrin has recently discovered that the "former" Soviet Union under Boris Yeltsin is rapidly building many new camps throughout the country, in addition to the thousands of ongoing camps. These still-empty camps could serve to hold vast numbers of Western Europeans once the Red Army moves into Germany, Italy, France, and England.

Since the "collapse" of Soviet Communism in 1991, Moscow has opened to the public a tiny handful of old camps, mostly in Siberia. But the other 2,500 camps remain in full operation, exterminating large numbers of citizens under a continuing regime of terror. The Soviet propaganda works only because most Americans never understood the severity of Communist oppression in the first place.

11 Shifrin, A., First Guidebook to Prisons and Concentration Camps of the Soviet Union, Bantam Books, NY, 1982, esp. pp. 10, 19-21, 31-35.
12 Shifrin, A., "A Performance: Glasnost and Perestroika," an open letter, Jan. 1990.

[MarMema]

Can I write you in for the election?

[GIJoel]

Sorry, footnotes were supposed to say 1 and 2.

[MarMema]

You know perfectly well that Maskhadov is a two-faced liar and a front for the terrorists. Tell me you believe otherwise.

[MarMema]

Your propaganda works because you have not been there. My husband was, in 1995, for a few months, in the region where many of these camps were. And they were not in use.

[GIJoel]

How many of the 2500+ camps did he visit?

[mississippi red-neck]

What in the world is the matter with you people?

No I don't trust Russia, Putin, Castro or any other communist idiot.

The point is that you have people like Joe and his com-padres running a bait and switch campaign to get you not to focus on the immediate, real, honest to God, hope to chop your head off and dominate the world threat, which is Islam.

These Muslims butchers are slaughtering people in a dozens places around the world including our own country and their shills are getting perfectly sane people to ignore their eyes and to chase conspiracy theories and the Ghost of Christmas Past. Sheesh!!

[MarMema]

Enough to make a lie of your posting.

[GIJoel]

To ALL:

For more info. on how the Russians (read: Soviets) use terrorism to further their unrelenting drive towards world government, check out "Terrorists in Muslim Disguise" and "We Are The Next Target" threads below.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220747/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220737/posts

[struwwelpeter]

Of course, did I say otherwise?

It's all part of "the Grand Game" in central Asia. East hamstrings West, West hamstrings East. For awhile they'll get along, lots of hugs and toasts, but when the common enemy is gone - back to the game.

“Nations have no permanent friends and no permanent enemies. Only permanent interests.” - Benjamin Disraeli

[struwwelpeter]

[wtc911]

For that matter, why are you carrying water for terrorists?

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This appears to be his mission. The posting yesterday of his thread that tried to convince us that islam is not really the motivating power behind the terrorists who hit on 9.11.

My favorite fantasy of this propagandist is the one where the Left has successfully duped conservatives into believing that the terrorists who kill thousands of innocents are muslims. In his world they are really commies but the left wants to cover that up. Ask him to explain then why the MSM will not use muslim and terrorist in the same sentence or why they fight profiling of muslims and he ignores your questions.

He is a propogandist of the first order.

[quant5]

That is Ezekial 38 which does say Gog & Magog aline with the bands of Tubal. Russia and Arabs lands in modern historic times. The chapter says that Gog & Magog conjures up an "injurious scheme". It turns into a giant war with Israel and God intervenes and causes the invading armies skins to melt right off their flesh. The chapter says it takes Israel several months just to clean up all the dead bodies. It's a worthwile read, no doubt.

[MarMema]

Oh yeah, the Russians are really scaring me. They can barely handle the chechens. But they're coming after us.

[GIJoel]

MarMema, I used to have business contacts who regularly frequented Russia and I am currently in contact with writers who cover events in Russia (read: Soviet Union). You remind me of the people who fell for Hitler's BIG LIE. No matter how much proof was given to the world, people like you responded "No it couldn't possibly be, it defies the imagination," etc. If you don't want to believe it fine. Go somewhere else and find people who will tickle your ears and soothe your fears.

[MarMema]

running a bait and switch campaign to get you not to focus on the immediate, real, honest to God, hope to chop your head off and dominate the world threat, which is Islam.

Bait and switch is an excellent description.

[wtc911]

Sheesh!!! We actually have a terrorist supporter on Free Republic!

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You should have seen the idiotic ramblings about the left trying to dupe us about islam this character posted yesterday.

There is an agenda at work here.

[MarMema]

I bet I know just the writers you are in contact with.

What is supposed to be impressive about this? Kerry has plenty of suppose in this country.

[quant5]

VERY GOOD POINTS HERE LUIS. I give you some kudos, you were starting to scare me for a bit.