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Putin: Ally or Terrorist? (Russian FSB/KGB Real Culprits Behind "Chechen Terrorism")
The New American ^ | February 2002 | William Jasper

Posted on 09/21/2004 8:24:29 PM PDT by GIJoel

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To: sinkspur

Sinkspur,

I am not now, nor have I ever been a Member of the John Birch Society. Can't vouch for whatever else they say, but Jasper's article is right on the money.


41 posted on 09/21/2004 10:01:00 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I am drawing a kind of intellectual equivalency between those that say G.W. Bush (the son of the former head of the CIA) was "behind" the 9-11 atrocity and those that say that Vladimir Putin (former KGB employee) was "behind" the Beslan atrocity.

Both are mental and moral nincompoops, and I don't mind being quoted on that.


42 posted on 09/21/2004 10:01:47 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: sinkspur

You already admitted that they intentionally killed the people in that theater, and why would the fact that Russia would intentionally kill kids be a surprise to you?

Didn't the Clinton administration intentionally ill kids in Waco?


43 posted on 09/21/2004 10:01:55 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's a completely different topic, Luis. If Putin is consoldating some power, he may need to to deal with his local terrorists.

You seem to be saying that Putin intentionally blew up those kids. Is that what you believe?

44 posted on 09/21/2004 10:04:00 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: GIJoel

>Wood’s article, entitled "Chechnya’s civilians put to the
>sword," continued with Mrs. Goncharuk’s story...

Perhaps someday we will be lucky enough to live to see Wood write an article titled "All Chechnya's civilians put to the sword..."

Islam is a virus. It's carriers must be eliminated.


45 posted on 09/21/2004 10:04:14 PM PDT by applemac_g4 (Oderint dum metuat!)
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To: John Valentine

If you're going to call other mental nincompoops, then get your facts straight.

Commenting on Bush being the son of the former head of the CIA and comparing that to Putin, means no more than saying that someone is the son of the ex heavy weight champion of the world, and comparing him to the current champion.

And Putin was far more than a KGB employee, he was the head of the KGB.


46 posted on 09/21/2004 10:05:51 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Didn't the Clinton administration intentionally ill kids in Waco?

No.

I never contended that the people in the theatre were intentionally killed; they were "collateral damage." They weren't going to get out of that theatre alive anyway, and some were saved.

I'm astonished that you think Putin ordered those children killed. Are you off your rocker?

47 posted on 09/21/2004 10:06:02 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: GIJoel

Dear GI Joel,

I am not carrying water for the KGB. That isn't even worth a response.

Frankly, I think "your cheese done slipped off your cracker", so to speak.

But I'm with Sinkspur; you can see conspiracies and plots wherever you want. But, you shouldn't be too surprised that the only folks that want to go along on your flight of fancy are Elvis and Napoleon's ghost.


48 posted on 09/21/2004 10:07:38 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: sinkspur
"If Putin is consoldating some power, he may need to to deal with his local terrorists."

You are in the curious position of agreeing with Al Gore and Justin Raimondo, and disagreeing with President Bush.

49 posted on 09/21/2004 10:07:43 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: sinkspur
"I'm astonished that you think Putin ordered those children killed."

Did he or did he not order the actions that killed the people in the Moscow theater?

50 posted on 09/21/2004 10:09:16 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: John Valentine

Valentine,

How could you possibly campare the nutjobs that think that GW Bush was behind 9/11 to people who cite evidence that the murderous KGB/FSB are still busy killing their own people???!!!...the Soviets deliberately murdered over 30 million of their own people, and that's the low estimate. Putin is one of them, and now he presides over "Russia."


51 posted on 09/21/2004 10:09:47 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Fine. So I disagree with Bush. He's not disagreeing very loudly, if you'll notice, just as he doesn't "condemn" Sharon very loudly either. Some of that is just for show.

Who are we to tell Putin how to deal with his local terrorists?

52 posted on 09/21/2004 10:09:56 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

My point, Luis, was that such things are not relevant. They are absurd, and I was trying to draw your attention to that fact.

Do you think that Putin intentionally set up those kids in Beslan, then sent in the Spetznaz trops to kill them?

If that's what you think, and it seems to me that is what you are saying, then you are a certifiable loon.


53 posted on 09/21/2004 10:10:03 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: sinkspur

So now you're also saying that the Clinton administration and Janet Reno did not kill those kids in Waco?


54 posted on 09/21/2004 10:10:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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Did he or did he not order the actions that killed the people in the Moscow theater?

Yes. Bush is commanding a military operation against insurgents that kills innocent people every day. So?

55 posted on 09/21/2004 10:11:33 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: John Valentine

I never claimed that he set them up. I believe that just like the Moscow theater, a deliberate calculation was made, and lives became expendable.

Since then, this issue has become Putin's Reichstag fire.


56 posted on 09/21/2004 10:12:28 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: John Valentine

Valentine,

Why are you here then. Go bury your head in the sand somewhere else.


57 posted on 09/21/2004 10:12:56 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: sinkspur
"Yes. Bush is commanding a military operation against insurgents that kills innocent people every day. So?"

Our people?

58 posted on 09/21/2004 10:13:08 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
They didn't kill them, no. David Koresh set those fires.

And I'm not going to argue with you about Waco.

In fact, I'm done arguing. It's clear you think Putin should not be dealing with terrorism. Why, I don't know.

59 posted on 09/21/2004 10:13:42 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Good night, Luis.


60 posted on 09/21/2004 10:14:37 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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