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The Conservative Case Against George W. Bush
New York Press ^ | September 22-28, 2004 | William Bryk

Posted on 09/22/2004 5:32:31 AM PDT by Dazedcat

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To: Dazedcat

I agee with Teddy Roosevelt. but these many Americans who criticise George Bush have yet to admit that he is indeed the elected President of the US It may be unpatriotic not to criticise , but it is traitorous not to admit he is President, legitimately.


81 posted on 09/22/2004 6:20:54 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: ZULU

Very well put at #70. As you remarked, Bush has made some serious mistakes in his first term - free pills, CFR ect. one of which threatens our national security - i.e. amnesty. How do you propose getting the GOP and President Bush to allievate those problems in a 2nd term?


82 posted on 09/22/2004 6:21:55 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Am back but just for a short while)
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To: Stop_Neocons
Hah! I knew if I read long enough you would eventually say something I agree with.
83 posted on 09/22/2004 6:22:20 AM PDT by Guard Dog (Who fears the wrath of a coward?)
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To: Stop_Neocons
"The southerners were brave and proud and knew how to fight."

No, I'm afraid that you don't see the point. The Southerners had such a low opinion of the fighting capabilities of the Yankees that they felt that their secession would be an easy fight and a foregone conclusion.

The North thought that they had the manpower and the equipment to easily subdue the rebellion and that poor Southerners would not fight for the blueblood aristocracy.

Both were wrong ... and, if Generals Lee, Longstreet, and Johnston had been different people, the Confederate Army would have taken to the hills to fight for years in a guerilla war against the occupying North.

Again, I would give you the warning ... things rarely turn out as expected.

84 posted on 09/22/2004 6:24:00 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: KantianBurke
Needless to say, only reality-blind ideologues claim he has proposed an amnesty.
85 posted on 09/22/2004 6:24:24 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Numbers Guy

I am getting tired of the line, "You must vote Republican because the alternative is so bad." When will the Republicans nominate a conservative?


86 posted on 09/22/2004 6:24:27 AM PDT by rcofdayton
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Moby thread


87 posted on 09/22/2004 6:26:47 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: Stop_Neocons
Al-qaeda et al. are not fascist in the traditional 1930s sense. The "islamo" part is true. The are Muslims, plain and simple, and they are simply exercising the teachings of their faith to the fullest. What Neocons call "islamofascism" is nothing more than orthodox islam.

"Islamototalitarian" doesn't roll off the tongue as well. The term "fascism" has become more commonly used as a synonym for totalitarianism, not simply Mussolini's particular system of governance.

As for "homicide bombers", that is a redundant statement. Was Billy the Kid a "homicide shooter" or OJ a "homicide stabber". Suicide bomber is the preferred term when the bomber intends to blow himself up along with his victims.

Billy the Kid was a murderer, as was OJ. So are people who blow themselves up in the hopes of getting 72 virgins to rape.

The use of the term "suicide bomber" emphasizes the death of the bomber, not the death of those he/she kills. It focuses on the one death (the only one who deserved to die) while ignoring the others who died.

88 posted on 09/22/2004 6:27:25 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: BlueLancer

But YOU don't see the point. Liberals have little capacity for combat or military discipline. That's why the miltiary ranks are so overwhelmingly conservative (and from the south and mountain west, for that matter). The North had a cause (the preservation of the territoral integrity of the United States). How the heck are the liberals going to fight when they don't even let their boys play with toy guns. And what cause are they going to lay their lives down for? Gay "marriage"? Keeping Al Franken on the air?


89 posted on 09/22/2004 6:27:30 AM PDT by Stop_Neocons (Only a fool sticks his hand in a hornet's nest)
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To: Sam Cree

Yeah George Bush Senior was the Vice-President Ronald Reagan never wanted, the man who betrayed the Reagan Revolution.

The only worthwhile accomplish of that nebish was siring George Bush II.

I don't know too much about Jeb but what I have seeen doesn't impress me. Besides, I'm an American. I don't like dynasties.


90 posted on 09/22/2004 6:29:25 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Stop_Neocons
"BTW--most military historians believe that the outcome of the American civl war was a foregone conclusion. Even if Stonewall lived, it utlimately would have been of little consequence."

Piffle ... I have read none who thought it a foregone conclusion until after Gettysburg, and a number who believed that there was a chance for Southern victory until the siege of Petersburg.

A live Stonewall Jackson at Gettysburg .. instead of Ewell and Early .. would have probably completed changed the first day results. Atlanta held until after the Federal elections may have resulted in a McClellan victory. Guerilla war after Appomattox may have led to war-/occupation-weariness on the part of the North and withdrawal and defacto victory for the Confederacy.

Again, I know of no historian who has taken a position that a Southern defeat was a foregone conclusion until well into the conflict, and very few who would have written off the South until after Gettysburg and the fall of Vicksburg.

91 posted on 09/22/2004 6:29:34 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: Stop_Neocons

Been there. Conservative or not, troops tend to obey their orders. If ordered to suppress an insurrection or rebellion, they WILL supress it to best of their ability. The first Civil War was bad enough. A civil war with modern weaponry does NOT bear thinking about.

At best we would forfeit our status in the world. The damage to our infrastructure would be immense. We might even get invaded by Mexico and the UN. We would not be better off after the war.


92 posted on 09/22/2004 6:30:49 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: Stop_Neocons
"Liberals have little capacity for combat or military discipline. "

So you say, but, if you give a liberal a gun and dare him to use it against you in a kill-or-be-killed situation, are you confident enough that he won't?

And, remember, that many of the overwhelmingly conservative members of the military take their oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and to follow the orders of their superiors take that oath very seriously. I wouldn't be too confident of their defection to the side of what would be considered "rebels".

93 posted on 09/22/2004 6:32:51 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: KantianBurke

The only thing we can do is work hard to get more conservatives elected to Congress, use political pressure against him when he strays, and make sure his successor isn't John McCain, Rudy Giuliani or Schwarzenegger (I know I know, he's not a citizen - but the Constitution can be amended and idiots like Orrin Hatch have discussed this).

I'd like somebody like Tancredo or Condi Rice to run in 2008. We will be certainly facing Hitlery.


94 posted on 09/22/2004 6:33:15 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Stop_Neocons
"The majority of Americans seem to think they have an affinity for socialism. Let's give them 4 years of it in full strength and let's see if they still like it. People tend not to know how bad fire is until they've been burned. Bush's agenda is not really conservative either. Expansionism, empire building, fighting wars far from our shores, giving away our sovereignty (political and economic) in the name of "Free trade" and "globalism". That sure as heck isn't conservatism."

We had 8 years of pure socialist rule and I personally will stand against it no matter what. The only stumbling block the Clintons had was that the HOuse of Representatives pushed back against them. The world today is not going back to the 50's no matter who promotes that idea.

Conservatism is about the rule of law not perversion of it. Where do you get the idea that we can duck and hide from the world? We are the only example of the only standing superpower, and that is what this war on terrorism is about.

Clintons stated policy was "EQUALIZE ALL NATIONS". The Clintons equalizer was passing out "nuclear weapons" like candy to children their method of operation. There is no turning back, either we defend who we are or we become no different than Iraq.

You do not realize what you are promoting, we either fight now or we will never have the ability to fight and these lying crooked liberals know this, this was and is their plan.
95 posted on 09/22/2004 6:33:25 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MindBender26

LOL, I'm such a nerd. I thought when I read this, "Well, what if we could elect a linear combination of the two."

But then I realized that any JFnK in GWB would only water down the positive aspects of the Prez. :)


96 posted on 09/22/2004 6:34:33 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: BlueLancer

The COnfederate States of America would have been an economic basket case even if initally survived the Civil War. It's entire existence was based on a doomed institution--human slavery. The rest of the United States would have completed its manifest destiny, industrialization and population explosion. It would have also fostered turmoil, especially amongst the black population. Ultimately the CSA would either have begged to be reunited with the rest of the USA, or it would fall piecemeal by force, against a United States armed with late-19th century weapons. USA=North Vietnam (Sort of) CSA=South Vietnam (sort of).


97 posted on 09/22/2004 6:37:05 AM PDT by Stop_Neocons (Only a fool sticks his hand in a hornet's nest)
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To: ZULU
Condi Rice to run in 2008

Woah! Condi is not conservative. She is smart, tough on forgien policy, but have you ever heard her speak on domestic issues? Definitely from the Rockefeller school of thought, on on the left side of that even.

98 posted on 09/22/2004 6:37:50 AM PDT by Guard Dog (Who fears the wrath of a coward?)
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To: Little Ray

"Been there. Conservative or not, troops tend to obey their orders"

That is what the Leftist government in Spain though in 1936. The resutl: Francisco Franco.

That is what the Romanovs and Kerensky thought in Russia in 1917. The result: Lenin.

Abe Lincoln thought West Point grads and veterans of the Mexican War would never violate their oath to the US Constitution. We all know what the result of that line of thinking was!


99 posted on 09/22/2004 6:42:53 AM PDT by Stop_Neocons (Only a fool sticks his hand in a hornet's nest)
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To: Stop_Neocons

BUT, after four years of socialism, the United States as we know it will no longer exist. No, thanks. I don't want to take that chance. Go Bush!


100 posted on 09/22/2004 6:46:18 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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