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Civil war at '60 Minutes'
NY Daily News ^ | September 22, 2004 | RICHARD HUFF

Posted on 09/22/2004 6:25:13 AM PDT by presidio9

A war of words has erupted within the halls of "60 Minutes" following Dan Rather's admission that CBS News aired a report on President Bush using questionable documents. On one side of the battle is Steve Kroft, a veteran correspondent on the Sunday edition of "60 Minutes." On the other is Don Hewitt, founder of the pioneering newsmagazine.

Kroft argues it's unlikely the Sunday show would have made the mistake of using the documents that bolstered Rather's report - which aired on the Wednesday telecast, formerly known as "60 Minutes II."

So much so, Kroft and staffers on the Sunday telecast want it to be clear - they weren't the ones that were duped.

"We're all afraid of that, that's our biggest concern," Kroft told the Daily News. "We've held off from saying it, we've held off from making any comments as long as there was some hope the documents would prove to be real.

"Now, I think it's our responsibility to try to draw a distinction between the two broadcasts," Kroft said, admitting that the original show had been burned in the past and had learned from its mistakes. "They've done a lot of great work over there ... particularly with the Abu Ghraib story, they didn't rush that story on the air. This one, for whatever reason, they did."

Kroft said he was surprised when "60 Minutes II" dropped the "II" in its name, but noted yesterday that in CBS' statements regarding the mistake, the show had become "60 Minutes Wednesday."

The second edition of "60 Minutes" was a contentious project from the start. Hewitt, the creator of "60 Minutes," fought against expanding the franchise but was overruled. The second show launched Jan. 13, 1999.

"I think they've acquitted themselves nicely," said Hewitt, who was forced out as executive producer last season. "When I objected to there being a second show, I didn't know how good it was going to be."

He scolded his old crew yesterday for sniping at their beleaguered colleagues.

"Now, when the other one is in trouble, they're piling on. It's unfair, uncalled for and not the way that grown men should act," Hewitt said.

Kroft is not alone in questioning what led to Rather's having to admit the show made a mistake.

"There's anger in the rank and file that this could have happened," said a CBS News source.

Rather told The News Monday he was appreciative of those who have expressed support.

"And for those who haven't been, including those who haven't been and thought they needed to anonymously take their shots, I say, I understand," he said.

Meanwhile, attempts to trace the origins of the fraudulent paperwork have foundered on attacks from Democrats and Republicans suggesting that their political opponents concocted them.

USA Today, which also received the papers from anti-Bush activist Bill Burkett, reported yesterday that Burkett told them he was offered the documents from a woman who identified herself on the phone as Lucy Ramirez.

But when he rendezvoused with Ramirez, an unidentified man showed up instead and dropped them off.

USA Today said it has been unable to trace Ramirez.

New Yorkers go easy on Dan

New Yorkers were generally forgiving of Dan Rather's running a story based on unproven documents that attacked President Bush.

"Rather made a mistake and he was man enough to admit it." - Kaiseem Felder, 49, Xerox technician, Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn.

"All I could think of was this is what he will be remembered for after such a successful career. But mistakes happen all the time in the news." - Jane Marie Giustra, 24, sales assistant, Hoboken, N.J.

"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx.

"He screwed up and ought to be held accountable. He should not be fired but he should apologize formally to the President." - Jim Oldham, 42, salesclerk, Weehawken, N.J.

"I feel bad for Dan Rather because he is such a respected person. CBS should take more time to research and look at who was giving them the information." - Nichole Anderson, 34, event planner, North Brunswick, N.J.

"He should have gotten the facts right, but it's not uncommon what he did." - Eddie Tallarine, 37, electrician, Massapequa, L.I.

"CBS should have checked the information before they came out with it, but the reputation of CBS is good. ... It was one mistake." - Fernando Monte, 30, consultant, Yonkers.

"I view him as an anchorperson, not the person really out gathering the information. I don't think he should resign over this." - Cynthia Lazzari, 44, health-care information manager, Philadelphia.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; 60minutesii; cbsnews; homosexualagenda; rathergate; stainedbluememo
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1 posted on 09/22/2004 6:25:13 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

CBS would be smart to sell the show to one of the other networks and close up shop. Do it before its value has completely disintegrated.


2 posted on 09/22/2004 6:27:37 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: presidio9
"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx.

No War for Oil. Bush Lied People Died. Bush AWOL blah blah blah

3 posted on 09/22/2004 6:28:31 AM PDT by eyespysomething (I'm typing up lottery tickets. I mean, as long as the content is true the rest doesn't matter.)
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To: presidio9
"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx.

Priceless! Have another glass of Kool-aide.

4 posted on 09/22/2004 6:29:26 AM PDT by KJacob (God's purpose is never the same as man's purpose.)
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To: presidio9

When you drop atom bombs you need to be very careful about collateral damage.

60 minutes is no more. Radiation sickness will kill it.


5 posted on 09/22/2004 6:31:56 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: Brilliant

"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx. "

Without 'evidence', that's called 'speculation and conjecture'.

Or 'wishful thinking'.


6 posted on 09/22/2004 6:32:13 AM PDT by Bigh4u2
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To: eyespysomething

They are just repeating what they are constantly being fed. I actually enlightened a couple of libs with Byron York's article.

http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx


7 posted on 09/22/2004 6:32:36 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: presidio9

The old fogeys like Wallace and Safer are noticeably quiet. It is the "new" guys like Kroft - those who haven't been there since Noah let loose the birds - who are speaking up. This dispute sounds generational. The old boys are circling the wagons.


8 posted on 09/22/2004 6:32:48 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: presidio9
USA Today said it has been unable to trace Ramirez.

All they'd have to do is stop by the fresh fruit aisle at their local supermarket.

On another note, it was inevitable that this kind of internecine warfare would break out at CBS, as people scramble to protect their reputations and exploit the situation to advance their careers, settle old scores, etc.

9 posted on 09/22/2004 6:33:46 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: presidio9
"Now, when the other one is in trouble, they're piling on. It's unfair, uncalled for and not the way that grown men should act," Hewitt said.

Blinders on? Check.
Bias engaged? Check.

10 posted on 09/22/2004 6:35:36 AM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: KellyAdmirer

OT: vanity fair is very liberal, right? its that same graydon putz that writes for LA times or some such thing? I only remember bits and pieces but I need to dispute someone that claims you'll get the 'truth' about the GWB 2000 election and the supreme court from this mag.


11 posted on 09/22/2004 6:35:39 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: KJacob

I can just see Dale saying this while making a flower arrangement with his limp wrists.


12 posted on 09/22/2004 6:36:09 AM PDT by right wing
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To: bert

I hope you're right! Good bye to bad garbage.


13 posted on 09/22/2004 6:36:10 AM PDT by kassie ("It's the soldier who allows freedom of speech, not the reporter..")
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To: presidio9
"We've held off from saying it, we've held off from making any comments as long as there was some hope the documents would prove to be real.

 

That's a very telling statement, Stevie...

 

14 posted on 09/22/2004 6:36:24 AM PDT by Fintan (Oh...am I supposed to read the article???)
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To: presidio9
"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx

I have heard this point of view stated a over and over by people I work with. I guess evidence means nothing to them. I wonder how they would feel if they were on trail and this form of "reasoning" was used to convict them. It's so typical of liberalism. Facts mean nothing. What is important is how one feels.

15 posted on 09/22/2004 6:37:41 AM PDT by foolscap
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To: eyespysomething

Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx.

Dale Channer appears to be another hostile Girly it/homosexual, who hates GW.

Dale, go arrange your flowers and STFU.


16 posted on 09/22/2004 6:38:23 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop Rathering to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: presidio9
Unbelievable comments from these readers! Never underestimate the capacity of New Yorkers for complete and sheer idiocy.
17 posted on 09/22/2004 6:38:39 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Dale, go arrange your flowers and STFU

Giggle

18 posted on 09/22/2004 6:39:21 AM PDT by eyespysomething (I'm typing up lottery tickets. I mean, as long as the content is true the rest doesn't matter.)
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To: presidio9
"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx.

Hmmm...a male florist who hates Bush.

Homo?

19 posted on 09/22/2004 6:40:12 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Since most of the CBS stars are well past retirement age, its in Kroft's interest to see them kicked aside. Go Steve !


20 posted on 09/22/2004 6:40:35 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: presidio9
"Now, I think it's our responsibility to try to draw a distinction between the two broadcasts," Kroft said, admitting that the original show had been burned in the past and had learned from its mistakes. "They've done a lot of great work over there ... particularly with the Abu Ghraib story, they didn't rush that story on the air. This one, for whatever reason, they did."

Yeah, were still waiting for one ounce of proof this went, "all the way to the top"!

Wonder what the conversation between Lockhart and Mapes happened. That is where the coordination most likely was.

Pray for W and Our Troops

21 posted on 09/22/2004 6:41:21 AM PDT by bray (Nam Vets Rock!!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

At least "Lucy Ramirez" doesn't sound as fishy as "Heywood Jablome"......


22 posted on 09/22/2004 6:42:37 AM PDT by thag (Knuckle dragging, non-pajama wearing member of the VRWC.........)
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To: TonyRo76
Never underestimate the capacity of New Yorkers for complete and sheer idiocy.

That's right, I forgot: Ohio is crawling with rocket scientists! This is the Daily News Tony. Look at the type of people they questioned.

23 posted on 09/22/2004 6:42:40 AM PDT by presidio9 (BOSTON SUCKS!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave
LOL! Ya beat me to it Grampa :)

But yeah, that was my immediate thought taking into account his gender, occupation, and ridiculous assertion about GWB. Too funny!

24 posted on 09/22/2004 6:43:42 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: presidio9

I think it should be clear that anyone who followed the story and wasn't convinced by Newcomer and the Adobe and Apple font programmers is simply not smart enough to be in the news business.

This constitutes an industry wide IQ test: who was still not convinced of the forgery at the end of 48 hours?


25 posted on 09/22/2004 6:43:46 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: presidio9
"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx.

Prosecutors love simpletons like this...

26 posted on 09/22/2004 6:43:50 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: presidio9
"'Now, I think it's our responsibility to try to draw a distinction between the two broadcasts,' Kroft said..."

Drawing Kroft's line would be like knifing one's heart in two.

They are one.

27 posted on 09/22/2004 6:44:39 AM PDT by ez2muz
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To: Bigh4u2

His attitude, though, reflects the brainwashing by the CBS news team. My guess is that like most Democrats, he doesn't give a hoot whether Bush served admirably in the military. He just doesn't like Bush.


28 posted on 09/22/2004 6:46:52 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: presidio9
CBS is less than a generation away from insignificancy!
29 posted on 09/22/2004 6:47:23 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Brought back by popular demand: CPR for Hamsters.... Nothing for the Unborn!)
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To: Bigh4u2

"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx. "


From the "guilty until proven innocent" school.


30 posted on 09/22/2004 6:47:31 AM PDT by Let's Roll (For a guy who shirks his own job, Kerry sure is eager to tell others what they should do ...)
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To: TonyRo76

That one was too easy.

For an interesting exercise from now on.

Whenever you read a really hateful article, oped, editorial against GW do a Yahoo search with the name of the writer and Gay.

It is amazing how many of these hate GW clymers are Gay Activists or Pro Gay Activists who have pushed the radical gay agenda in the last decade. A prime example was Tom Hays the AP liar in the boos lie that AP put out.


31 posted on 09/22/2004 6:48:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop Rathering to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: presidio9

"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx.

Tell it to Judge Trudy.


32 posted on 09/22/2004 6:48:33 AM PDT by planekT
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To: TonyRo76
Unbelievable comments from these readers! Never underestimate the capacity of New Yorkers for complete and sheer idiocy.

What's more unbelievable is... in a article that's ultimately about bias...these "comments" that were "collected" are typical of the bias we see in the media every STINKING day..!!

Some questions are begging.

How were these comments collected?

What was the sample size?

Who collected them? Who edited them?

IT's ALL JUST MORE C--BS..!!!

33 posted on 09/22/2004 6:51:19 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I'm a man.............I can change.............If I have to..................I guess...........)
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To: presidio9
LOL! You're right, my blanket statement was not applicable to many New Yorkers. My apologies to you and all of the smarter folks in the Big Apple :)
34 posted on 09/22/2004 6:51:47 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: meema

must read comments bump


35 posted on 09/22/2004 6:52:02 AM PDT by meema
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To: Grampa Dave; EdReform; little jeremiah; ItsOurTimeNow
For an interesting exercise from now on.

Whenever you read a really hateful article, oped, editorial against GW do a Yahoo search with the name of the writer and Gay.

It is amazing how many of these hate GW clymers are Gay Activists or Pro Gay Activists who have pushed the radical gay agenda in the last decade. A prime example was Tom Hays the AP liar in the boos lie that AP put out.

ping

36 posted on 09/22/2004 6:52:58 AM PDT by presidio9 (BOSTON SUCKS!!!)
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To: presidio9
"New Yorkers go easy on Dan"

Out of eight "people" quoted, four are from NY, one from PA, and three from NJ.

Close enough for the Daily News, I guess.

What would we lowly Freepers do if we weren't reinforced in our by beliefs by some nondescript idiot saying "it was just a mistake, can't we forgive and forget?"

37 posted on 09/22/2004 6:54:25 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: presidio9

Sorry, its not 60 minutes with the black eye, it's the whole damn network. EVERY show, EVERY affiliate, and EVERY advertiser.


38 posted on 09/22/2004 6:55:09 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: presidio9
"Now, when the other one is in trouble, they're piling on. It's unfair, uncalled for and not the way that grown men should act," Hewitt said.

Added Hewitt, "Grown men should coach Democrat presidential candidates and their wives on how they should answer the questions in an interview. They should deliberately edit the videotape in a way that lies appear to be truth. They should deliberately do stories to help get Democrats elected president and pretend it's news. I did it with Clinton in 1992, and I'm a grown man."

39 posted on 09/22/2004 6:56:27 AM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Edward R. Murrow, call your office.)
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To: presidio9

Either the NYDaily News conducted selective interviews or the typical NY'er is dumber than a box of rocks!


40 posted on 09/22/2004 6:57:00 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: TonyRo76

No blood-No foul.

I just get pissed when people knee-jerk their opinions of NY. Yeah, there are a lot of liberals here. But there are also plenty of conservatives. Rudy Guiliani was beating Hillary Clinton before he got prostate cancer. Kissinger lives here. We count Peggy Noonan, Ann Coulter and Laura Ingram among our single women. Nixon retired here. NY is the capital of the world. As such, it is home to all types.


41 posted on 09/22/2004 6:57:49 AM PDT by presidio9 (BOSTON SUCKS!!!)
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"Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx.

Bet this guy could get you a heck of a deal on a bouquet of pansies!

42 posted on 09/22/2004 6:57:54 AM PDT by The Citizen Soldier ("We will always remember. We will always be proud." Ronald Reagan)
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To: presidio9

How come half their New Yorkers aren't from NY? :)


43 posted on 09/22/2004 7:00:03 AM PDT by agrace
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To: bert

The days of MSM throwing shiite on the wall and hoping it sticks is over.


44 posted on 09/22/2004 7:00:40 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: KellyAdmirer
old fogeys like Wallace and Safer are noticeably quiet

What has Chris Wallace had to say about all this? Has he been a little quiet too?

45 posted on 09/22/2004 7:00:40 AM PDT by nana4bush
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To: Grampa Dave
Whenever you read a really hateful article, oped, editorial against GW do a Yahoo search with the name of the writer and Gay.

Excellent! I'll try that technique.

I would bet that the homo agenda lies at the root of most of the Left's bitter hatred these days. Hedonistic crybabies despise Bush's morals, and they fear that his policies will take away their Constitutional "right" to fudgepack.

46 posted on 09/22/2004 7:01:05 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: presidio9
Peggy Noonan, Ann Coulter and Laura Ingram among our single women

That in itself is a HUGE redeeming quality!!! If only we were so fortunate :)

47 posted on 09/22/2004 7:02:11 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: presidio9
"They've done a lot of great work over there ... particularly with the Abu Ghraib story, they didn't rush that story on the air.

No, they took their time on this one to ensure they could blow up something that was already being investigated and ensure the biggest blow to the morale of our troops. - Scumbags...

48 posted on 09/22/2004 7:02:58 AM PDT by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: presidio9
they didn't rush that story on the air. This one, for whatever reason, they did."

Nice try, 'Rat brain.

We know why.

LVM

49 posted on 09/22/2004 7:03:30 AM PDT by LasVegasMac (John Kerry says he has changed his mind about all those NO votes in the Senate.)
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To: presidio9
Says it all: "Everything they said about Bush is true; they just haven't found the evidence yet." - Dale Channer, 34, florist, the Bronx.
50 posted on 09/22/2004 7:03:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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