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Soviet Moles in the CIA, Part 1 and 2 (How the Soviets duped US into thinking we won the Cold War)
Inside Story: World Report | September 1995

Posted on 09/23/2004 10:05:25 AM PDT by GIJoel

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To: GIJoel

Thank you, I'll be here throughout the week, please tip your waiters and waitresses.


61 posted on 09/23/2004 12:15:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Gibtx

Isn't it interesting how stupid some things (like this article) look after 10 years....


62 posted on 09/23/2004 12:16:20 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: American in Israel
And no, I will not divulge classified information if I had it, so you can stop quaking in your boots.

I like you, AII, and so it makes me sad to see you posting this way. From your post we must conclude one of two things.

Either:

1. You're talking through your hat about what you "personally know" the numbers are wrong, or

2. Your revelation unto us about what you "personally know" is the true, and therefore a release of classified information.

Either way, it looks bad for you...

63 posted on 09/23/2004 12:21:03 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: GIJoel
BTW, as someone who wears Christianity on your sleave, you sure are rude and dimissive of other peoples sincerely held beliefs

I don't dismiss your sincerity, just like I would not dismiss the sincerity of any who believe God told them to go kill someone or that their dog talks to them or that they think they are Moses. However it is those beliefs themselves that I dismiss as shear fantasy. There is key difference there that you are not grasping. Just like you can not grasp my sarcasm in my previous post. I didn't say that your magazine was against the Jews, if you weren't so serious about this conspiracy stuff you'd see the criticism in the form of sarcasm for what it's target is.

As for being a friend of Russians, that's funny since you treat them as retarded children or as enemies, which is it? Are they such retarded children that no one there can figure out that they are run by communists and all think they over threw them in June of 1991? That would make a 147 million idiots. Otherwise, they are all in on this conspiracy and thus they are all the enemy, even to the point of faking their own economic collapse and stoically suffering just to trick the West for final conquest.

So which one is it: are the Russians idiots or all evil?

64 posted on 09/23/2004 12:52:00 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Just mythoughts

I thought it was: Bill = playboy; Hill/Gore = Socialist/communist activity - though Bill did have to sign some EO-s to make it happen - I read Gore was heavy into the IMF money/secret cities bit for Russia

just my opinion -


65 posted on 09/23/2004 12:57:09 PM PDT by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: wtc911

I read some of that - and thought - this is one example of why people don't know who to believe -

Much disinformation is coming out - but if people go by actions and not words - there is a chance this type of activity will be to no avail -


66 posted on 09/23/2004 1:03:44 PM PDT by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: jb6

Jb6,

Your response to my "rude and dismissive" comment didn't address anything at all (except that you did it again). You call your behavior it "sarcasm", I call it insulting. I wonder how you would react if someone began insulting your sincerely held beliefs? Would you respond in kind, or shake the dust off your feet?


I will be posting an article today or tomorrow that will answer your question re: Russians. For now, suffice it to say, that the Russian people are neither stupid nor evil. They suffer under the yoke of Communism, albeit under new and deceptive labels.


67 posted on 09/23/2004 1:09:08 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: r9etb

That argument of yours is a sly ad hominem attack. If you wish to discredit him, then please offer the real facts on how many nukes Russia has today as this is where the whole argument is stemming from not to mention a bit of personal disagreement(being polite here) between the two for other reasons. That will prove more than enough since we will have facts to work with not personal beliefs or emotion.


68 posted on 09/23/2004 1:16:36 PM PDT by DarkWaters
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To: GIJoel

It is complete nonsense to claim communism is stronger than ever. What evidence could possibly support such an absurd conclusion? Their armed forces are in shambles often not even paid; they have lost huge swathes of their territory; the satellite nations are hostile and independent and now part of NATO. E. Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, Bulgaria and Albania are all snuggling up to the West and the US and they face an intractable set of terrorist lunatics.

Not only is the country NOT stronger than ever it is so weak it may be in danger of causing more problems through its weakness than it did while strong.

As for the infiltration of the CIA one should be aware that Angleton's paranoia may come from the FACT that his best friend was Kim Philby for many years who he trusted implicitly. So I would have to say that his judgment was not the best.


69 posted on 09/23/2004 1:49:49 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My father is 10X the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: DarkWaters

I see no need to waste further time on a stupid thread.


70 posted on 09/23/2004 1:52:38 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: GIJoel
If you are afraid of having your sincerely held beliefs (which does not mean they are true in any way) dismissed or critiqued, then you came to the wrong place. If you want like minded people to pat you on the back and say good job, there are many conspiracy boards on the net where you can have a powow.

When my ideas or views get rediculed and they do, I either accept the criticism or I defend it, I do not get bent out of shape that some one dare dismiss my views or not agree with me. Sorry, wrong place for that.

Again, yes I insulted your beliefs as ludicrous, I did not insult your sincerity. If you want the truth, I pity that you put so much effort into so much fantasy instead of using it more productively.

They suffer under the yoke of Communism, albeit under new and deceptive labels.

Riddle me this...have you ever been to Russia? I have, on numerous occassions, last time being last year. If Moscow and the Russians are under communism, then NYC is even more so, because a more capitalist, commercialized and for that matter religious place you won't find anywhere in Europe.

71 posted on 09/23/2004 1:54:54 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: GIJoel

And our moving of NATO to the very frontier of Russia is its greatest trick.

Goofy thinking.


72 posted on 09/23/2004 1:58:00 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My father is 10X the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I am not afraid of Russia falling apart of becoming a third rate power and the citizens of Belaruss and central/eastern Ukraine and eastern Moldovia generally want unification. At the same time I'm not afraid of them attacking us. What on earth would be the gain? Besides mutual destruction and the survivors being ruled by Islmo-facists cockroaches?


73 posted on 09/23/2004 2:12:14 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6

Quit trying to sound all high and mighty. I don't mind honest debate. I'm even ok with sarcasm (as long as it doesn't become too personal). But what I am not ok with is constant ridicule to the point where it becomes a continual flame session. You think I'm wrong, I think your wrong. But you don't see me camparing you to a Jew-hater. Nor do I imply that you hate Russians even though you deny they are still trapped under Communist tyranny. I also didn't compare you to those who believe in little green men, or insinuate that you should put tinfoil over your head to filter out damaging intergalactic brain-waves. I think people like you constantly flame others because it's easier than having to put together a cogent argument and defend it. You can just move on from silly comment to silly comment without having to stake a position on anything. All flamers have to do is think of new ways to say "you're crazy." Don't get me wrong, I have had a few knock down, drag out slam-fests on this site. But I realized all it does is generate a temendous amount of heat and virtually no light. That doesn't suit my purposes because I am here to get the word out on serious subjects.


74 posted on 09/23/2004 2:21:22 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: jb6

I have never really been afraid of nuclear war with the Soviets. It's just not their style. Virtually every country they have devoured was done by a combination of deception, terrorism, revolution/coup d'etat. Their goal has always been to "win without fighting", or at least minimal actual combat (because they would simply lose). That's why they had to stage their own funeral, to dupe the much more powerful West into going along with their long-range strategy. Otherwise, they'd still be in a Cold War standoff with us. Now they can take countries (like S. Africa, Venezuela, Brazil, to name a few) and turn them into Marxist dictatorships without arousing the West's very natural fear of the "Evil Empire." I really can't understand why more people don't get that.


75 posted on 09/23/2004 2:37:05 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: r9etb
I see no need to waste further time on a stupid thread.

Yet you posted on it. What did you expect, someone not to challenge this attack? I also note that you attack the main tread now, rather than discussing my accusation that yours was an ad hominem on a sub section of this thread. What was at issue with the discussion you became involved in had to deal with how many nukes Russia still has. This is discussion that has branched off the main thread and thus the main thread is not the issue.
76 posted on 09/23/2004 2:37:57 PM PDT by DarkWaters
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To: DarkWaters

This is discussion = This is a discussion


77 posted on 09/23/2004 2:40:54 PM PDT by DarkWaters
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To: GIJoel

I think I responded to the wrong person in my last post. But no matter, I think it applies equally to anyone on this thread.


78 posted on 09/23/2004 2:41:06 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: American in Israel; hchutch; sinkspur; wtc911; Darksheare
Poobah, you are crazy. The figures the CIA puts on the internet are bullshit of the highest order. I personaly know the numbers are way off.

Interesting. In this post, you wrote:

I do not know the actual count, and if anybody says they do, they are lying.

I look forward to hearing your lame excuse for--er, clarification of--the apparent discrepancy between Post 54 and Post 48. Perhaps you are emulating John Kerry, giving us a series of nuanced answers.

79 posted on 09/23/2004 2:42:48 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: r9etb

Either or, is a wide range, and also + - is a wide range. All you know is the figures are inaccurate, or I am blowing smoke.

Take a guess, and build a war plan with it. -grin-


80 posted on 09/23/2004 2:42:49 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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