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Mapes Wished to "Save the World from a Bush Presidency"
Media Research Center ^ | 9-23-04 | Medial Reseach Center

Posted on 09/23/2004 10:50:02 AM PDT by FlyLow

Newsweek's Howard Fineman argued that CBS News producer Mary Mapes became "obsessed," with trying to prove that George W. Bush got special treatment in the National Guard, because she wanted to "save the world from a George Bush presidency, and in the last five years, she's tried to find that smoking gun that would allow her to do that." Appearing on MSNBC's Imus in the Morning on Wednesday, Fineman fretted that due to the CBS scandal, it is getting "increasingly difficult to prove" that the rest of the media strive for "objectivity" and want to be "fair" and "even- handed." Fineman also predicted that "if Roger Ailes and Fox had done something like this, you know, the world would be on fire."

The MRC's Jessica Anderson caught the exchange between Don Imus and Newsweek's chief political correspondent, who appeared by phone, on the September 22 MSNBC simulcast of the Imus in the Morning radio show:

Imus: "What do you all make of what's going on at CBS?"

Fineman: "...My take on what happened here is that the producer, who I've never met, and who has a great reputation, but the producer, Mary Mapes, became obsessed with this story. In 1999, she began looking for evidence that then Governor Bush, you know, had not shown up for and been derelict in his duty in the National Guard. She probably didn't like him politically, judging from everything I've read about her, and was gonna save the world from a George Bush presidency, and in the last five years, she's tried to find that smoking gun that would allow her to do that. And they went to this guy, Burkett -- I mean, to me, one of the most amazing things about this story is that they searched him out, even knowing what an unreliable source he was. And that, to me, means obsession, and as you pointed out the other day, you know, that's what editors are for. Editors are there to harness the energy, sometimes obsessive energy of reporters and they clearly didn't do it in this case."

Imus suggested: "...Rather doesn't have any friends who do not hate George Bush. His friends are all -- we know who they are. I mean, the Molly Ivans of the world, and they all hate Bush. Maybe Rather doesn't, but he's the only one of anybody who he ever talks to or hangs out with...He may not, but that makes him unique in his circle of friends."

Fineman: "...In a way, this is a Texas war. It's between what I'm assuming is Rather's sort of populous Texas notions, which I'm sure he holds deeply, and the Bush view. The problem with all of this is, for what's left of what we used to call the mainstream media or the national media, is that those of us who've spent a long time, indeed, a whole career, trying to argue that we are objective, that we strive for objectivity, that we're interested in the facts, that we want to be fair, that we want to be even- handed, it gets increasingly difficult to prove that when something like this comes along, and for other people in the national press corps, whether it's at other networks or at news organizations like mine, to take sort of any secret guilty pleasure in CBS's trouble is a huge mistake, because what's happening is that the national press core is crumbling. I've got to say, if Roger Ailes and Fox had done something like this, you know, the world would be on fire, but they didn't. It's CBS that did it."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mediabias; planetofthemapes; rathergate; seebsnews; stainedbluememo
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1 posted on 09/23/2004 10:50:02 AM PDT by FlyLow
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To: FlyLow
Appearing on MSNBC's Imus in the Morning on Wednesday, Fineman fretted that due to the CBS scandal, it is getting "increasingly difficult to prove" that the rest of the media strive for "objectivity" and want to be "fair" and "even- handed."

Well, there's an easy way around that problem. Start being fair and even-handed.

2 posted on 09/23/2004 10:51:12 AM PDT by dirtboy (Kerry could have left 'Nam within a week if Purple Hearts were awarded for shots to the foot.)
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To: FlyLow

bttt


3 posted on 09/23/2004 10:51:35 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: FlyLow
Fineman fretted that due to the CBS scandal, it is getting "increasingly difficult to prove" that the rest of the media strive for "objectivity" and want to be "fair" and "even- handed."

Sweet! Perhaps that explains why they were so nasty at the presser this morning.

Fineman also predicted that "if Roger Ailes and Fox had done something like this, you know, the world would be on fire."

Predicted? That's a known fact.

4 posted on 09/23/2004 10:51:55 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: FlyLow

So now when she is indicted, she can claim she was insane?


5 posted on 09/23/2004 10:52:18 AM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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To: FlyLow

She wanted to save us from Bush, but ended up doing something infinitely more valuable--she saved us from Dan Rather and CBS News. The Lord works in strange ways.


6 posted on 09/23/2004 10:52:42 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: FlyLow

nope - no bias at seeBS


7 posted on 09/23/2004 10:52:57 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: dirtboy

Exactly! And the reason Roger Ailes and Fox News are not likely to find themselves in this kind of situation is because they are fair and balanced.


8 posted on 09/23/2004 10:52:57 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: happygrl
because she wanted to "save the world from a George Bush presidency

And, save the world from unborn babies,the word of God, school choice, etc etc etc.

9 posted on 09/23/2004 10:53:06 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: dirtboy
Well, there's an easy way around that problem. Start being fair and even-handed.

They simply can't. They think being fair and balanced is the same as being right wing. They HAVE to slant the news and show a liberal bias, it's in their blood.

10 posted on 09/23/2004 10:53:54 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: FlyLow
So why is Little Mary in hiding now? Why not come out and say "I want to save the world from a George Bush presidency"?
11 posted on 09/23/2004 10:54:56 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Howlin

The tap dancing among the MSM is becoming deafening.

LOL!


12 posted on 09/23/2004 10:55:01 AM PDT by EggsAckley (......so many vanities....................so little bandwidth.........)
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To: EggsAckley

An amazed BUMP.


13 posted on 09/23/2004 10:55:43 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: FlyLow
"save the world from a George Bush presidency,...

I haven't heard such rhetoric from the liberal left since the late, great, Ronald Reagan was President.

The similarity in their reactions to Dubya' is a good sign which is very comforting in an abstract sort of way. : )

15 posted on 09/23/2004 10:56:42 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: FlyLow
"...CBS News producer Mary Mapes became 'obsessed'..."?

Well, beyond this obvious thought, are we to assume and accept that she was allowed to perform cart blanche, and that no one at SeeBS offered any oversight?

It's a culture of loonie left bias.
16 posted on 09/23/2004 10:57:48 AM PDT by Chummy ("I Rather Know when I See BS." RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote 4 Osama")
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To: FlyLow

This idea of "saving the nation from Bush" is quite common in many of new york's professional offices. Since election day, 2000 seemingly rational people transform into venomous secular church ladies at the mention of Bush and immediatly attack the person that dares breath the word Bush in a positive light. It really has gotten so extreme that we are starting to see the first cracks to the ruling establishment in the form of the rathergate exposure. Expect a tidal wave of additional scandals as psychotic leftie controlled organizations decide to come clean.


17 posted on 09/23/2004 10:57:54 AM PDT by orangelobster
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To: FlyLow
And that, to me, means obsession, and as you pointed out the other day, you know, that's what editors are for. Editors are there to harness the energy, sometimes obsessive energy of reporters and they clearly didn't do it in this case."

Come on, Howard, there wasn't an "editor" who should have stopped the story. Mapes has a direct line to Rather. There is no "editor" in between. The only "editor" who could have injected some reason into this partisan exercise was Dan Rather, but he was either too stupid or too partisan to do anything but go along.

18 posted on 09/23/2004 10:58:23 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: FlyLow
Mapes is obsessed with hatred for Bush, and has thrown out all semblance of objectivity and journalistic integrity. If CBS doesn't fire her, they can never again proclaim themselves to be an objective news source.

Of course, we all know they aren't. But at least in the past, they tried to hide their bias.

19 posted on 09/23/2004 10:58:28 AM PDT by MEGoody (Flush the Johns - vote Bush/Cheney 04)
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To: FlyLow

BUMP!


20 posted on 09/23/2004 10:58:45 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: FlyLow

I don't NEED anyone to save me from President Bush. I am perfectly capable of deciding how to vote all by myself. That just proves they think they are smarter than the rest of us.


21 posted on 09/23/2004 10:59:22 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: FlyLow
The problem with all of this is, for what's left of what we used to call the mainstream media or the national media, is that those of us who've spent a long time, indeed, a whole career, trying to argue that we are objective, that we strive for objectivity, that we're interested in the facts, that we want to be fair, that we want to be even- handed

It was a fairly simple matter to come out swinging at CBS instead of apologizing and deferring to Rather and Mape's reputations. The CBS story, at its core, was an exercise in bad journalism, bad fact checking and bad sourcing, made worse by its failure to mention the other side of the story when it finally went to air. The national media wasn't hurt by what Rather did, it was hurt by not gunning him down immediately for breaking every rule of their profession.

22 posted on 09/23/2004 10:59:40 AM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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To: NOTTAHERO
Newsweak is a joke--just another propaganda outlet for Democrats. Fineman is not as bad as Elenor Clit but is still a DemoShill.

I'm sure that was an innocent typo on your part!

23 posted on 09/23/2004 11:00:56 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: FlyLow
... My take on what happened here is that the producer, who I've never met, and who has a great reputation, but the producer, Mary Mapes, became obsessed with this story ...
Here is the spin, epitomized. Mapes was a rogue agent, obsessed, out of control; the CBS debacle was an abberation, a case of professional journalists led astray by the wiles of a mad producer. Hang Mapes and the problem is solved. Mapes is the human sacrifice being offered to mollify the viewing public.

This is bullsh*t. The institution itself is responsible. Mapes was only a single player in an organization based on a culture of center-left-establishment bias. Example: Was Ran Dather a patsy or a rube? Then hang him too. He should not be allowed to masquerade as a journalist.
24 posted on 09/23/2004 11:02:00 AM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: FlyLow

BTTT.


25 posted on 09/23/2004 11:02:32 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: Brilliant

I hear ya on that one, Brilliant!


26 posted on 09/23/2004 11:02:50 AM PDT by katdawg
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To: MEGoody

Brit Hume was talking about a Memo that one of the fox reporters had gotten their hands on that showed Mapes doing something underhanded or illegal regarding a Prison and communications between two PRisoners.

It was damaging enough that she lost her Prison privilages.

Anyone know anything about it?


27 posted on 09/23/2004 11:03:41 AM PDT by Area51 (Diapers and Politicians need to be changed-For the same reason)
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To: Puppage
Yes, typical Liberal elite train of thought. Of course, they KNOW more than us, therefore their vision is superior.
28 posted on 09/23/2004 11:04:14 AM PDT by Rabble (The more people get to know Kerry, the more they like President Bush.!!)
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To: FlyLow

Now the MSM is on the "Mapes is crazy" bandwagon, further relieving Rather of any responsibility.

Remember you heard it here, Rather will walk away clean, and Mapes will take the fall.


29 posted on 09/23/2004 11:04:15 AM PDT by devane617
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To: FlyLow

Fineman is a liberal and a Clinton apologist. Coming from him, this speaks volumes.


30 posted on 09/23/2004 11:04:47 AM PDT by CurlyBill (John Kerry is PeeWee Herman in a Frankenstein costume)
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To: FlyLow

Grand justifications like saving the world makes liberals dangerous.


31 posted on 09/23/2004 11:06:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The economy won't matter if you're dead.)
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To: devane617

Rather will walk, but he Old goat will wear this tar babby around his neck for the rest of his professional days - AND into his retirement where he will have to suffer eternally for it.

A reporter is only as good as his last story, This is Dan's last story that anyone will pay any attention too.

Revenge is Sweet.


32 posted on 09/23/2004 11:07:05 AM PDT by Area51 (Diapers and Politicians need to be changed-For the same reason)
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To: KellyAdmirer
The only "editor" who could have injected some reason into this partisan exercise was Dan Rather, but he was either too stupid or too partisan to do anything but go along.

You're right -- and Mapes, herself, is also an "editor." When the MSM prates on about its system of "checks and balances," this is what it amounts to. When the "editor" is biased, whatcha' gonna' do? Having worked in the media with many a biased editor, I know what goes on.

33 posted on 09/23/2004 11:07:14 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once.)
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To: FlyLow
It's about time someone in the MSM figured out what was happening:

...what's happening is that the national press core is crumbling. I've got to say, if Roger Ailes and Fox had done something like this, you know, the world would be on fire, but they didn't. It's CBS that did it."

34 posted on 09/23/2004 11:08:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (The effect of‘MSM bias’ is the Democratic party and the press sustain each other’s delusions. Steyn)
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To: FlyLow

Why not save the world from a treasonous, cowardly Ketchupman who would place our nation under the purview of the UN and raise to dominance the so-called "religion of peace"?


35 posted on 09/23/2004 11:09:53 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: FlyLow
Poor Gal, she's livin' in the wrong world.
36 posted on 09/23/2004 11:10:59 AM PDT by ez2muz
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To: dirtboy

I am not big on the bible thumping.
So this does not come from a 'religiousity' mindset.

But there is a principle called repentance.
simple: turn around and go the other direction.

you can just do it,
not talk about it.
not have an inquiry over it.
ADMIT the mistake and simply don't DO it anymore.
It puts an end to all the turmoil deception and strife.

This would ALL blow over for CBS and Rather in two weeks if it was done in an obvious way. But instead, they will obsess over it, investigate it, put in new proceedures, talk it to death... and tomorrow, next week and next year, do the same old shit over and over and over and over.

Fair and balanced should be the mantra. EVERY news org should do their news style... hannity and colmes. One reports the facts one way, the other with an alternate set of words, and the viewers decide what the REAL facts are and what they mean.

The reason CBS won't do 'repentance' is simple. It interferes with their agenda... plain and simple. Changing their modus operandi, would derail their anti-american and communist/socialist leaning bent.

Since that is their core... we can expect NOTHING but more of the same, until their ultimate downfall via the new media... folks will just tune them out, more and more.
Affiliates will drop off and via attrition, they will eventually extinquish their own existence.

bon apetite CBS.


37 posted on 09/23/2004 11:11:02 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Howlin
Howlin...have you seen this story?

Mary Mapes has just been outed as a law breaker by Fox News.It seems that she was caught red handed by a Colorado federal penitentiary warden trying to put prisoners in touch with each other through a scheme involving the prison mail system. In violation of federal regulations.One of the prisoners was referred to as Peter Langan a white supremacist. Who is Peter Langan ?

Who is White Supremacist Peter Langan? What is his connection to Mary Mapes

While I posted info on Langan, who is connected to the OKC bombing and was on the witness list at Terry Nichol's trial, I am suspicious of the story as there is no link, and the poster is a fairly new freeper, I thought you might want to take a look at it and possibly follow up as I won't be around the next few days, my Mom is coming to town. I pinged Doug from Upland as well.

38 posted on 09/23/2004 11:11:13 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Rabble
Of course, they KNOW more than us, therefore their vision is superior

Let's not forget how more caring they are, too.

39 posted on 09/23/2004 11:11:24 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: FlyLow
"Fineman also predicted that "if Roger Ailes and Fox had done something like this, you know, the world would be on fire.""

In case he hasn't noticed, the world IS on fire. And if the MSM had done something about Kerry 30 years ago it might not be. And it continues to do nothing about Kerry today. But no matter. The Fire Department is on duty and is extinguishing the flames. Too bad, but the MSM will be the last building to be saved, if it isn't too late by then. The new media is already taking over, in case they haven't noticed.

40 posted on 09/23/2004 11:11:40 AM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be.")
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To: Asclepius

Mapes would not spend 5 years on the story without the full suppport of Rather and the CBS organization.


41 posted on 09/23/2004 11:12:37 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: FlyLow

I just called and left a message for Fineman (202.626.2000). I challenged him to show that the media was not biased by doing an interview with John O'Neill and investigating the report written by John Kerry in which a dead child was left out but 5 Viet Cong killed was inserted. Come on, Howard. Show us objectivity.


42 posted on 09/23/2004 11:12:54 AM PDT by doug from upland (Dan Rather is a journalist like Michael Moore is a pole vaulter.)
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To: libstripper
Mapes would not spend 5 years on the story without the full suppport of Rather and the CBS organization

And the Viacom management and board of directors as well.

43 posted on 09/23/2004 11:13:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: kcvl
"That just proves they think they are smarter than the rest of us."

What a joke! CBS is the one who is knee-deep in hot water with its pants down, hand in the cookie jar and bloody chicken feathers all over its egg-splattered face. And yet they are the ones whose judgment is superior to everybody else's? Some people might say CBS needs to sober up and come back to reality.

44 posted on 09/23/2004 11:13:32 AM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: FlyLow

Thanks for the thought Mare....but we've got it all covered, ya know?


45 posted on 09/23/2004 11:13:44 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (And everything under the sun is in tune...but the sun is eclipsed by the moon.)
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To: FlyLow

A Brief Guide to American Newspapers

1. The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.

2. The Washington Post is read the people who think they run the country.

3. The New York Times is read by people who think they should run the country and who are very good at crossword puzzles.

4. USA Today is read by people who think they ought to run the country but don't really understand The New York Times. They do, however, like their statistics shown in pie charts.

5. The Los Angeles Times is read by people who wouldn't mind running the country-if they could find the time-and if they didn't have to leave Southern California to do it.

6. The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents used to to run the country and did a far superior job of it, thank you very much.

7. The New York Daily New is read by people who aren't too sure who's running the country and don't really care as long as they can get a seat on the train.

8. The New York Post is read by people who don't care who is running the country as long as they do something really scandalous, preferably while intoxicated.

9. The Miami Herald is read by people who are running another country but need the baseball scores.

10. The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren't sure there is a country...or that anyone is running it; but if so, they oppose all that they stand for. There are occasional exceptions if the leaders are handicapped minority feminist atheist dwarfs who also happen to be illegal aliens from any other country or galaxy provided, of course, that they are not Republicans.

11. The National Enguirer is read by people trapped in line at the grocery store.


46 posted on 09/23/2004 11:14:18 AM PDT by Two Dawgs
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To: FlyLow

Didn't even know I *needed* saving...


47 posted on 09/23/2004 11:14:34 AM PDT by LadyPriory
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks. I'll take a look at it; I had heard about the mail scam, but not who it was.

And lots of NEW Freepers are posting undocumented "facts" and "articles" without labeling them vaniites.


48 posted on 09/23/2004 11:14:44 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Area51

Here's a link...scan to the middle of the page to link to the pdf of the letter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133215,00.html


49 posted on 09/23/2004 11:14:48 AM PDT by elli1
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To: FlyLow

Then it's only fair that the Blogosphere saved the world from CBS.


50 posted on 09/23/2004 11:16:05 AM PDT by pabianice
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