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Laser injures DELTA pilot´s eye; Beam into cockpit over Utah... Developing...
the drudge report ^ | Sep 129,2004 | Drudge

Posted on 09/28/2004 9:15:16 PM PDT by blogblogginaway

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To: Jonah Hex

The story is somewhere on FR archives. I remember reading it, here, at the time.


21 posted on 09/28/2004 9:37:43 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (`Three certainties in life: death, taxes and dead people voting for more taxes.)
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To: edwin hubble

Actually, Clancy used an ultra-bright, highly-targetable spotlight to blind the pilots in DEBT OF HONOR, I believe. Pretty much same principle, except for the fact that this is probably much easier to pull off now, given the availability of stronger laser gear.

MM


22 posted on 09/28/2004 9:37:58 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: U S Army EOD

Why not just drop onto asphalt.


23 posted on 09/28/2004 9:40:13 PM PDT by mark_interrupted
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To: blogblogginaway

I would like to know a lot more details about this. Most airline pilots have very limited vision out of the cockpit, especially toward the ground. I am not doubting the report, but I am hesitant to take it on face value. The angle that a laser beam would have to enter the eye to damage it is pretty narrow. It will be interesting to see what comes up on this.


24 posted on 09/28/2004 9:40:53 PM PDT by jwpjr
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To: Jonah Hex
Coast Guard helped investigate the incident with a subsequent bording of the Russian "fishing" vessel. Vessel was believed to be tracking submarine acoustics in the straight of Juan de Fuca as the Russians have done for years "covertly" mapping our sub sounds.

Anyway the helicopter incident was '97 or '98 and a couple RCMPs were aboard the helicopter with the USNA pilot. After looking at all the facts and superficially looking aboard the vessel for a super Russian laser gun designed to take out pilot retinas, it was decided that the Russians probably were using a laser distance finder to see exactly how close the helicopter was approaching their vessel.

That was the story in a nutshell as far as can be declassified for the perpetuation of conspiracy theories. Now the super laser gun is being used against Delta pilots... too bad the Russians didn't use their killer weapon against the terrorists in Chechnya.

25 posted on 09/28/2004 9:41:07 PM PDT by Xcoastie (It is more difficult to organize peace than to win a war - Aristotle)
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To: MississippiMan

Bush did it. I have a memo to prove it.


26 posted on 09/28/2004 9:41:24 PM PDT by garjog
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To: kenth

A joint US-Canadian recon flight. The freighter was inspected afterwards, but nothing found (probably dumped the laser over the fantail before port).


27 posted on 09/28/2004 9:47:23 PM PDT by Original Kamaaina
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To: blogblogginaway

how high up was the plane at the time? seems kinda hard to get the right angle into the cockpit?


28 posted on 09/28/2004 10:05:21 PM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: jwpjr

I agree with you ; somethings not totally right with this described situation.


29 posted on 09/28/2004 10:34:17 PM PDT by builder (still in search of an intern)
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To: blogblogginaway

This has been happening off and on to some of our pilots off our coasts as various governments play with these things from the usual "fishing vessels".

Its always been a military pilot though.

Perhaps someone is playing with one from another plan or, shock gasp, from a sattelite.

Thats the bit about SDI I don't think we've thought thru yet. Its billed as a defensive weapon but in reality it should be able to pick off pretty small targets on the ground as well. At least thats my thought, physicists feel free to disagree. I still think its a good idea but like all weapons it depends on who's at the helm.


30 posted on 09/28/2004 10:42:27 PM PDT by festus (Proud and Practicing Member of the Pajama Posse)
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To: jwpjr
A lot of good discussion and debate by various and sundry self-declared experts here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1229929/posts

31 posted on 09/28/2004 10:46:53 PM PDT by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: Jonah Hex
A Navy helo pilot suffered eye damage several years ago while inspecting a Russian freighter off Seattle. Seems like somebody on the bridge decided to lase him. The DOD was up in arms, but the Boys From Can't Find Their Own Foggy Bottom (i.e. the State Department) quashed the U.S. response.

I remember this happening and the Clinton administration silenced it.

32 posted on 09/28/2004 10:54:26 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Jonah Hex
I think it was Bill Gertz who discovered that Clinton's State Dept. tipped of the freighter that they were going to be invested giving them time to hide anything incriminating.
A Candian pilot was also injured.
33 posted on 09/28/2004 11:03:43 PM PDT by lizma
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To: jwpjr
I agree. It would have to make a direct hit on the retina's macula (the center of the vision) so you'd have to look right at the laser.

I use to make my living shooting lasers into retina (diabetic eye disease) Much of the retina can take significant laser damage but not the macula which is about the size of the tip of a pencil.

34 posted on 09/28/2004 11:22:03 PM PDT by lizma
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To: blogblogginaway
Free Republic was on this a few hours ago after Greta talked on air with Bill Gertz at the end of her show.

Fox: Commercial Pilots 'attacked' with laser

35 posted on 09/28/2004 11:24:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: blogblogginaway; Gunrunner2; spetznaz

Just a thought but...

Is it possible to "laser rangefind" a jetliner at altitude?
Someone scouting a potential attack?


36 posted on 09/28/2004 11:42:34 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: builder
Simply having a laser device is not sufficient. The laser pointing and tracking devices necessary to pull this off must be very, very sophisticated. If the beam was 'raster scanned' across the sky then the power of the beam required must be very high.

However, because the beam was actually visibly spotted inside the cockpit this tells me it was not raster scanned, but rather was a directed beam. The backlash between the gears on a guidance system would induce enough error to make such direction impossible.

Basically, this was quite a feat, and DEFINATELY must require a specialized apparatus.

37 posted on 09/29/2004 2:45:39 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: VaBthang4
Yes, Targeting Pods to guide LGB's are very dangerous and would cause such damage. Also, other laser designator would cause such harm as well.

What caused it?

I don;t know, but likely not an attack.

(Just guessing and ONLY guessing. . .because of Hill AFB and the bombing ranges it may be a laser designations was deflected/reflected or perhaps a pilot was tracking the airliner via a Tgt Pod and inadvertently shot the laser.

Used to lock up all sorts of aircraft and then slew the Tgt Pod to the lock in order to get VID from 100 miles out. NEVER shot the laser, though, in that situation.

Bottom line. . .who knows, but it is just as likely some laser show guy on the ground was horsing around and caused this incident.

Cheers.
38 posted on 09/29/2004 4:21:37 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: jwpjr

At cruising altitude, the pilot wouldn't be suseptable. Take-offs, landings and other low altitude manuvers are a different matter.


39 posted on 09/29/2004 6:44:37 AM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: ironpuppy

It could be. You can get a 5mw green pointer on ebay, and also on ebay is a kit to boost it to 40mw.

40 mw of green laser is VERY bright and even a brief exposure would be blinding. A long exposure would cause damage, but your blink reflex would save you (for a visible laser).

A 5 or 15 W light show laser would cause damage with a millisecond direct exposure. It would be harder to steer manually but easy to loop with a video camera for tracking with the galvos.


40 posted on 09/29/2004 7:47:25 AM PDT by DBrow
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