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Giving 'liberal' a definition
From The Northwest Herald

Posted on 09/30/2004 8:33:17 AM PDT by housewife101

Last week I asked readers to help me define the term "liberal."

The response was terrific and I greatly appreciate the time many of you took. The definitions varied greatly and for space reasons I can't print all of them.

Some who responded defined "liberal" as it related to someone's view of government.

Paul Wuerl of Crystal Lake wrote that a liberal is "a person with a socialist philosophy, who desires to dictate virtually every aspect of the lives of others, primarily through government mandate."

Joe Lampinen of McHenry took a lighter approach: "A liberal is someone who laughs at Rush Limbaugh while a conservative is someone who laughs with Rush Limbaugh."

Others, however, viewed "liberal" in strictly moral terms.

Huntley resident Norma Thompson wrote, "Liberals are people who decide for themselves what they want to believe and who don't take a stand on the principles found in God's Word, the Bible."

An e-mailer who asked to remain anonymous wrote that liberals "think slaughtering [their] own child and calling it a 'choice' is right." The same e-mailer wrote that the No. 1 indicator someone is a liberal is they "think the Northwest Herald is a 'fair and balanced' newspaper."

Now, that's not very nice. But there were positive definitions, too.

"Liberals are the people who have brought you the 40-hour work week, health insurance and overtime pay," said Huntley resident Bill Wiederkehr.

Vicki Dow of Crystal Lake wrote, "A conservative cares about 'me.' A liberal cares about 'us.' It's a selfish vs. magnanimous view of the world."

Many of the e-mailers pointed out just how blurry the political stage has become. Pragmatically, many people are "conservative" on some issues and "liberal" on others.

Yet in its current usage within the partisan media, I think "liberal" is most often used to dismiss someone. The truth is that most people don't really think about what the word means any more, they just fit it into their own definition.

If I said I thought the tax cuts should be repealed I would be classified a liberal. But what if I said we needed the money to pay for the war, support the troops and reduce the deficit? Isn't that conservative?

Is it really too much to ask people to pay more in taxes when others are being asked to sacrifice their lives?

Such positions are neither conservative nor liberal.

The terms have become meaningless.


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The terms have become meaningless????
1 posted on 09/30/2004 8:33:17 AM PDT by housewife101
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To: housewife101
From the article:"A liberal cares about 'us.'"

Makes sense in a way... A liberal defines a "we" vs. "they" world and they care about "us" so long as you're a member of the "we" group.

2 posted on 09/30/2004 8:36:30 AM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: housewife101

That's funny, I didn't see anything that read, "lacking conviction in national identity" or "unwilling to invest the defense of one's country." I think those would be applicable, what about you? Oh yeah, and don't forget, "fiscally irresponsible person who has no understanding of what personal accountability is."


3 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:07 AM PDT by zetapsi (Easy Choice)
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To: housewife101
I would disagree:
The best definition I have ever heard are these -
liberals base their facts on emotion
while
conservatives base their emotion on facts.
4 posted on 09/30/2004 8:37:12 AM PDT by roylene
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To: zetapsi

Yep, agree with all that...and they don't know what the meaning of the word "is" is.


5 posted on 09/30/2004 8:38:07 AM PDT by housewife101
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To: bcoffey
Also from the article: "Liberals are the people who have brought you the 40-hour work week, health insurance and overtime pay," said Huntley resident Bill Wiederkehr."

If I recall correctly, employer provided health insurance began as a response to Democratic-imposed wage controls. Business owners (mostly Republican I would think) offered health insurance as additional compensation to get around those wage controls.

6 posted on 09/30/2004 8:38:54 AM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: housewife101
Terms, definiton, language, history, truth...it's all made meaningless in order to deconstuct.....truth, history, values, etc. Truth is relative, ie; "my truth" ; abortion (killing) = "choice"
It's really quite a long list, all examples of the same pattern. It's really described as a "woe unto you...." moment in a book somewhere. :)
7 posted on 09/30/2004 8:43:36 AM PDT by 1john2 3and4 (Proud member of PAJAMAREPUBLIC)
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To: bcoffey

Well, you know that the "liberals" are the only ones who care about the "working class.":-) It was also CONSERVATIVES that voted for and helped the civil rights movement in congress, but one NEVER hears that from the press or in our wonderful public education system.


8 posted on 09/30/2004 8:44:35 AM PDT by housewife101
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To: bcoffey
If I recall correctly, employer provided health insurance began as a response to Democratic-imposed wage controls. Business owners (mostly Republican I would think) offered health insurance as additional compensation to get around those wage controls.

You are right about the wage controls. It is strange (or maybe not?) that liberals would correct problems stemming from failed economic policies of the past with those very same policies, by imposing price controls on health care.

9 posted on 09/30/2004 8:48:03 AM PDT by David75 (I am personally opposed to slavery, but I cannot impose my view on others - 1860 Democrat platform)
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To: housewife101

In my case I'm a conservative who opposes the death penalty and supports sensible marijuana laws. I think the ten commandments monument should have remained in the Alabama courthouse and that abortion should be limited to the most dire medical circumstances. I think both evolution and creationism should be taught in our schools.


Sure my ideals conflict at times, but I deal with those conflics as best I can. I believe liberals have conflicting ideals but choose to supress them in an attempt to get their way.


10 posted on 09/30/2004 8:50:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The economy won't matter if you're dead.)
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To: housewife101
You wrote:"but one NEVER hears that from the press or in our wonderful public education system."

Exactly.

I fear that many people have become too lazy to think for themselves and rely on the MSM, public education, and opinions of others to tell them what to think.

(They have long forgotten how to think.)

11 posted on 09/30/2004 8:55:01 AM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: housewife101

Some of my synonyms for liberal:

progressive, liar, fear monger, appeaser, slacker, cheater, cry baby…


12 posted on 09/30/2004 8:55:47 AM PDT by auboy
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To: housewife101

Liberal means, in the literal sense, generous. In political terms, it once meant supporting individual rights (liberty and liberal have the same root). Modern-day liberals have hijacked the word to cover the truth of their socialist-marxist agenda. In so doing, they have taken a word, which once denoted something good, and mangled its meaning to the point that it denotes something immoral and destructive.

In response to this hijacking of the term "liberal," I have formed my own definition of the word: the political equivalent of gay.


13 posted on 09/30/2004 8:56:12 AM PDT by David75 (I am personally opposed to slavery, but I cannot impose my view on others - 1860 Democrat platform)
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To: housewife101

I said it before, and I will say it again:

The people who post on Free Republic are some of
the most insightful, intelligent I've ever seen.


14 posted on 09/30/2004 8:59:23 AM PDT by atruelady
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To: bcoffey

very well said


15 posted on 09/30/2004 8:59:32 AM PDT by conrad metcalf 42
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To: conrad metcalf 42

"Last week I asked readers to help me define the term "liberal." "

Back then, Liberal = Socialist
In todays America, Liberal = Marxist







16 posted on 09/30/2004 9:02:48 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information given to society and you control society.)
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To: housewife101
I tackled this question once... I came up with numerous answers, but the one I liked best was:

A liberal is someone who doesn't care what you DO, as long as he can control what you THINK.

If you think back over numerous examples of the double standards that liberals engage in, this definition makes sense.

(One example: compare Bill Clinton's sexual shenanigans and the liberal defense of him, to the allegations against Bob Packwood and the reaction to him. And so on and so on -- there are tons more examples.)

17 posted on 09/30/2004 9:03:53 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: housewife101
A liberal is a person who wants to take the country a step at a time, towards socialism and unfettered hedonism. A conservative wants to go the other direction, some more quickly than others.

Liberalism defines a person's foreign policy, too. If the Soviet Union wins, it advances liberalism, so the libs were traitors during the cold war. If Osama causes chaos and harms the economy such that people might be willing to vote for liberals, then he advances the liberal cause and they don't want extremist Islam destroyed just yet.

18 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:54 AM PDT by Defiant (Kerry, Kerry, quite contrary. How does your treason grow?)
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To: housewife101
I still ike the old adage...

"A conservative is a liberal that's been mugged.
A liberal is a conservative that's been arrested."

19 posted on 09/30/2004 9:25:06 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: housewife101
The terms have become meaningless.

Uh Uh - liberals have become meaningless, but the term is full of meaning...

20 posted on 09/30/2004 9:27:37 AM PDT by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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