New Kerry Debate Flip-flop (Kyoto)

Senate Roll Call Votes ^ | 09/30/04

[aynrandfreak]

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 105th Congress - 1st Session

Vote Date: July 25, 1997, 11:37 AM

Question: On the Resolution (s.res.98 )

Declares that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol to, or other agreement regarding, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change of 1992, at negotiations in Kyoto in December 1997 or thereafter which would: (1) mandate new commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for the Annex 1 Parties, unless the protocol or other agreement also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period; or (2) result in serious harm to the U.S. economy.

YEAs 95
NAYs 0
Not Voting 5

Kerry (D-MA), Yea

[aynrandfreak]

John Kerry brought up how we should accept the Global Climate Treaty (Kyoto). He forgets that he voted against Kyoto (for this bill against it). He was against Kyoto before he was for it.

No one in the Senate voted to accept it because they knew it would hurt our economy. It's meant to be a global tax on us, to make us less competitive in global markets.

We need to force Kerry to deal with this issue. He said on MTV a few weeks ago that he was planning to use Kyoto to get the French & Germans into Iraq, but no one seemed to pick up on it. Bush should hammer Kerry with this in the debate on the economy.

Kerry will sell-out our economy for token forces that don't care about the Iraqi people, and have shown a willingness to collaborate with the insurgents, which will put our troops in more danger.

[Pete]

Potentially huge if it gets any play.

[Dems_R_Losers]

I was yelling at the TV for President Bush to nail Kerry on that one. I get so friggin' mad when I hear Democrats beat the President over the head with this one when every damn one of them voted for thr resolution opposing the treaty. And BTW, walking out on this treaty IS a major reason why the Euros don't like us. And they wouldn't have liked us if Al Gore were president, because the U.S. Senate would never have ratified that treaty in 1,000,000 years.

[bpjam]

He voted against it before he voted for it. Simple.

[junaid]

I've always found it interesting that many in the world blame Bush for the US not adopting the Kyoto Treaty. I remember getting email petitions from liberal friends from *around the world* about this. The US never had any intention of adopting this Treaty--note the date on the vote as being in 1997.

How can anyone blame Bush for this? And yes, that was a rhetorical question.

[Shermy]

Here's how Kerry handled Kyoto.

He voted against it. Then for the next six years staked a position that "We" should have offered "Europe" a variant.

Six years as a Senator, never has proposed a change.

His tactic which is childish, but maybe effective, is to always displace on others a duty for which he could have prescribed himself.

[Cruz]

In the debate tonight, John Kerry attacked George Bush for withdrawing from global treaties. John Kerry specifically mentioned the global warming treaty. Yet John Kerry himself voted against this same treaty as a senator.

Which means in this particular case, he voted against it before he was for it.

[Shermy]

You don't help yourself with other nations when you turn away from the global warming treaty, for instance, or when you refuse to deal at length with the United Nations.

Kerry is very clever. When challenged on his new Kyoto statement he's carved his fallback - to blame Bush for not negotiating some variant of it.

Kerry's been doing this for years on Kyoto.

As for the UN we dealt with them at length. However this meme has traction in America (probably laughed at in France) because it has been hammered for over a year by the Kerryites, and the Bushies have reminded the people of all the trials and tribulations with the "UN" before the war. Probably too late to change this Powell/Rove strategy to be "nice" to France and package all concerns as the "WOT"

[Shermy]

He said on MTV a few weeks ago that he was planning to use Kyoto to get the French & Germans into Iraq, but no one seemed to pick up on it. Bush should hammer Kerry with this in the debate on the economy.

Well, Kerry understands that Kyoto is a money scheme packaged as environmentalism to benefit certain interests. Too bad Bush doesn't explain that.

[BunnySlippers]

We work as a TEAM. If the pajama clad people can kick Rather's butt, we can get this out there.

Kerry's team is spinning tonight. Let's spin!

[BillF]

Good find, but how do you get to the actual resolution? The link goes to the vote summary.

I think that we should be passing this along to others. I would like to include a link to the actual resolution.

[dalebert]

One of many flip flops tonight.

[BillF]

Never find. I found it.

Here is the link to the text or summary of the resolution. Click here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:SE00098:@@@D&summ2=m&

[NYCVirago]

While I'm not a gloom-and-doomer about Bush's performance in the debate, there are a few things I wish he had said. And Kerry's vote on Kyoto was one of them. Good post.

[enviros_kill]

The Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) issues an excellent weekly summary of energy, science and green-inspired totalitarianism. The August 7, 2004 report related very telling observations from Putin's economic adviser:

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As during an earlier conference on climate change in Moscow, the economic adviser of President Putin, Andrei Illarionov played a prominent role. During a press conference after the meeting, Illarionov complained that the Russians have repeatedly asked their foreign partners who advocate the Kyoto Protocol and who insist that Russia should ratify the Kyoto Protocol, to answer a number of specific questions. But they did not receive any reply for a year.

Illarionov: "Instead of getting replies to our questions, we kept on hearing that replies did not matter. What was important is that whether or not Russia trusts Britain, the European Union and the countries that have ratified the Kyoto Protocol and that have been exerting unprecedented pressure on Russia to ratify it. This is why it was so important for us to arrange a real meeting and a real discussion of real problems with the participation of foreign scientists who have different views ...."

After having complained about the behavior of the British delegation, headed by Sir David King, who - unsuccessfully - tried to exclude certain 'undesirable' scientists from taking the floor, Illarionov went on to criticize the ideological and philosophical basis on which the Kyoto Protocol is built:

"That ideological base can be juxtaposed and compared with man-hating totalitarian ideology with which we had the bad fortune to deal during the 20th century, such as National Socialism, Marxism, Eugenics, Lysenkoism and so on. All methods of distorting information existing in the world have been committed to prove the alleged validity of these theories. Misinformation, falsification, fabrication, mythology, propaganda. Because what is offered cannot be qualified in any other way than myth, nonsense and absurdity."
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The green 'boot on a face' is only a different color than the Nazi or Communist version. Ironically, the Russian economist recognizes this while the MSM and the EU commie-light Kyoto-backers ignore it.