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"Nevertheless, the debate transcript undercuts the debate imagery. Contradictions in his remarks will provide ammunition for Bush's opposition researchers."

And I certainly hope the Bush campaign will use it.

1 posted on 10/01/2004 12:02:01 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
John Kerry tried very hard to project strength and consistency during the first presidential debate. And he got the atmospherics right. After a shaky start, he spoke with a firm voice, and stood with a confident bearing. He had some good soundbites, too. He had anticipated Bush's attack over voting for and against the $87 billion for Iraq. "Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?" The staffer who drafted that line is undoubtedly a hero in the Kerry camp.

Why? That line landed with a thud.

2 posted on 10/01/2004 12:04:55 AM PDT by Petronski (DEMS: Kim tested, Osama approved.)
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John F*ckin' doesn't hold a candle next to America's national poet.


3 posted on 10/01/2004 12:06:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Here is one of those contradictions:

KERRY: Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?

I believe that when you know something's going wrong, you make it right. That's what I learned in Vietnam. When I came back from that war I saw that it was wrong. Some people don't like the fact that I stood up to say no, but I did. And that's what I did with that vote. And I'm going to lead those troops to victory.

LEHRER: All right, new question. Two minutes, Senator Kerry.

Speaking of Vietnam, you spoke to Congress in 1971, after you came back from Vietnam, and you said, quote, "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

LEHRER: Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake?

KERRY: No, and they don't have to, providing we have the leadership that we put -- that I'm offering.

4 posted on 10/01/2004 12:06:53 AM PDT by kesg
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With K's constant harping on not getting or concentrating on Bin Laden, W needed, in my opinion, to blast him away by pointing out the simple fact: Bin Laden is NOT the be-all and end-all of terrorism. Knock him off, and 100 others are at the ready to replace him. There is no substitute for defeating the enemy in his entirety. It will not be won by knocking off the proclaimed leader of the moment.


5 posted on 10/01/2004 12:10:36 AM PDT by C210N
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The Dems are not prepared for what's coming tomorrow as the Reps hammer Kerry's slip-ups in the transcripts.

We are gonna here "Global Test" over and over and over. It was already mentioned by Cheney tonight. I'll guarantee you that it's in Bush's stump speech TOMORROW.

By the time this weekend is over, the main water cooler opinion of this is that Kerry will cede our security to UN hacks.

Global Test

Global Test

Global Test


7 posted on 10/01/2004 12:15:04 AM PDT by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: FairOpinion
Here is the truth.

Kerry has no Center, no strength of character,by which he can lean in times of trouble.
This is why he continually changes, because he doesn't really believe in anything strongly enough to stand against the storm, well almost nothing but his own political future, in the pursuit of which he would do anything and tell any lie.

Kerry likes to continually talk about leading men into combat.
I would hate to be under his command in combat, because I think that he would be about covering his own but rather than helping me. Hence the Swift Boat Vets.

He is Bill Clinton squared and would be the greatest disaster to hit this country since 9/11.

God help us and bless President Bush.
8 posted on 10/01/2004 12:16:45 AM PDT by DSBull (Truth is the light of the World, shine it everywhere)
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1. Kerry said he would "do what's necessary to make it so America isn't doing this alone." Yet concerning Afghanistan, "The president relied on Afghan warlords and he outsourced that job too. That's wrong."(We must depend on assistance from other nations. But we shouldn't let other nations help us catch bin Laden. Okaaaaay.)

2. To the question, "Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake?" Kerry answered: "No, and they don't have to, providing we have the leadership that we put — that I'm offering." Yet earlier, he said: "When I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?" (The war in Iraq is not a mistake, but invading Iraq was a mistake. Okaaaay. Thanks kesg)

3. About the number of troops, Kerry said: "And our goal in my administration would be to get all of the troops out of there with a minimal amount you need for training and logistics." Yet a few lines later, he says, "And we don't have enough troops there." (We need just a minimal amount of troops, but we really need more over there right now!" Okaaaaay.)

Thanks for your patience. This was for my own benefit. I wish they could debate in teams, so all the contradictions could've been caught.

I will say one thing, I enjoyed listening to an argument without all the interrupting that you get on talk shows like O'Reilly and Hannity. It was refreshing to be able to hear the conclusion of every sentence.

11 posted on 10/01/2004 12:56:21 AM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("God and George W. Bush, a Spiritual Life" by Paul Kengor--- a great read.)
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Hey .. Kerry thinks we should give Iran fuel for their nuke missiles though

Oh but that would be helping the enemy, wouldn't it??

But I'll betcha, Jimmy Carter thought that was a great answer

13 posted on 10/01/2004 1:03:42 AM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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LOL, going into Afghanistan alone would have been total insanity. Kerry thinks we should have used only American troops? How many of them speak the native Afghan language? I wish GWB had asked Kerry what language that is, because Kerry probably hasn't a clue.


14 posted on 10/01/2004 1:04:16 AM PDT by Graymatter (Reload Bush/Cheney 2004)
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"Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?" The staffer who drafted that line is undoubtedly a hero in the Kerry camp.

Sorry the problem isn't what Kerry said about it. That was accurate. The problem is, he actually did vote against the 87 billion, after he voted for it. The mistake was the vote. The problem with the statment is he was trying wiggle away from his action.

15 posted on 10/01/2004 1:05:35 AM PDT by Hugin
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"Well, you know, when I talked about the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?" The staffer who drafted that line is undoubtedly a hero in the Kerry camp.

A hero to the aren't-I-clever-types, maybe. The problem, though, is not with a mistake in Kerry's language, but a mistake in Kerry's voting. The language line is really misdirection away from the hard cold fact of that vote against funding our troops while they were in harm's way.

17 posted on 10/01/2004 1:14:30 AM PDT by AHerald ("The fates lead him who will; him who won't they drag.")
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