Crohn's disease, sick cows and contaminated milk

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, October 1, 2004 | Chris Bennett

[grey_whiskers]

I'm not in a position to dispute a single claim made in this article, however there is an organized effort afoot to kill the dairy and beef industry. The anti-milk group bounces from one claim to another hoping to discredit milk.

So why would relatively modest changes in the , pasteurization of milk, or segregation of the sick cows 'kill' the dairy and beef industry? Some other posters on this thread have weighed in not against _beef_, just _ground beef_ (hamburger). There are still other cuts of meat available.

[grey_whiskers]

Milk consumption is totally unnecessary for maintaining a quality life.

Not according to most calves! ;-)

[cyborg]

hehe! true :-)

[jb6]

For those of you with mild crohn's I heartily suggest Sachromyces Boulardii (prebiotics: effective yeast capsules) and Lactobacillus GG (probiotics that add a protective layer to the intestine).

Where can I get it and do I need a precription?

[ZULU]

If this is the case, even non-milk drinkers are in danger. Cow manure is widely used as a fertilizer for vegetables and cow by-products used in cat and dog foods.

[diamond6]

Are there any dairies out there that are vigilant in protecting their cows from this disease? Being an avid milk drinker, I'd sure like to know.

[doglover]

No need for a prescription- S.B. can be found on the internet- look for Jarrows brand ($10 for 100 caps). Lactobacillus GG is also cheap ($17 for 30 tabs) and can be found on internet (with brand name Culturelle) or have your pharmacy order them for you (as I do).

[conservative cat]

Try organic milk.

That's all I buy. It costs a little extra, but I figure my kids don't need the extra hormones and antibiotics in the regular stuff.

[JTHomes]

Ultra-pasteurization will kill pathogens, but it is a cheap band-aid approach that hurts the nutritional value of the product. Healthy cows produce healthy milk. If the dairy industry would let their animals eat the grasses they are designed to eat instead of cheap soybeans and corn, and keep milk from sick animals out of the mix, this wouldn’t be an issue. You can boil sewage and make it “safe” to drink, but I wouldn’t serve it on my cereal. It seems a similar issue to the food producers wanting to irradiate our food so workers won’t have to wash their hands after using the bathroom. Clean up the source!

My sympathies to anyone with Crohn’s.

[aruanan]

A. The source you are citing is an American Journal, and the author of this piece specifically points out that American Medical Authorities do not accept this thesis.

You've got a lot to learn about the way scientific papers are published. If you go to PubMed and look using "Crohn's" disease and "Mycobacterium paratuberculosis," you'll see that people have been researching this for a long time, with quite varied results. These results are indicative of what I said in my post above: there is a lot more going on in this disease than something so simplistic as a "germ." Read through the abstract posted above. This time actually read it instead of dismissing it as an "American Journal". Note that the disease itself makes the intestinal tissue much more susceptible to bacterial infection. The "link" the article at the top of this threat touts is more than likely to be a consequence of the disease rather than its cause.

[aruanan]

Funny, places like England and France that enforce super pasturization have fewer cases and India where all milk by religion must be heavily boiled also has few cases. The fact that super pasturized milk has a shelf life twice as long or longer then the generic stuff......just ignore all the evidence, what ever.

See post 51. And try to look a little deeper than what seems superficially like evidence.

[ZULU]

Anything worth pursuing as a potential cause for this mysterious and debilitating disorder should be investigated.

And I am more familiar with how scientific papers are published and the effects of Crohn's disease than I care to know.

But thanks for that link - its a new one to me and worth saving.

[Little Ray]

Now that IS a scandal!

[aruanan]

That's all I buy. It costs a little extra, but I figure my kids don't need the extra hormones and antibiotics in the regular stuff.

You're wasting your money. Non-primate growth hormones are incapable of docking with primate growth hormone receptors. Interestingly, primate growth hormones are capable of docking with non-primate growth hormone receptors.

[jb6]

What about GNC? What about side effects? How long do you take it for and what dose?

[aruanan]

And I am more familiar with how scientific papers are published and the effects of Crohn's disease than I care to know.

I don't doubt the latter. And I know folks with Crohn's disease, celiac sprue, and other forms of inflammatory bowel disease.

[Carry_Okie]

It just really looks like drug companies are completely profit driven.

As they should be; it's the protection they get from the FDA that distorts their intentions. Were they fully liable for side effects or abetting disease in order to sell a solution, they wouldn't do it quite so gleefully. Were there more alternatives to the FDA, private subscription watchdog companies as it were, themselves responsible for the accuraby of their information, the public and the medical profession could then do a better job of comparing competing therapies.

[jb6]

I agree, let me quantify: I drink (and it's rare that I do) organically raised ultrapasturized milk. Some things just should not be raised in a factory.

[Balding_Eagle]

Thanks for injecting a bit of common sense to the discussion. I was hoping someone would.