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Crohn's disease, sick cows and contaminated milk
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, October 1, 2004 | Chris Bennett

Posted on 10/01/2004 6:33:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Friday, October 1, 2004



Crohn's disease, sick cows and contaminated milk

Posted: October 1, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Chris Bennett


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

For issues that affect public health, it shouldn't matter who leads the government.

When research uncovers the cause of a disease, or shows where our food technology is no longer adequate, public health agencies under the leadership of either party should step forward.

When the agencies don't act, the effect is chilling. In the short term, some special interests are protected, some companies make short-term profits. In the long term, we all lose.

But by far the biggest losses are experienced by new patients diagnosed with a disease that, arguably, should not have happened.

Over 20 years of independent research links a common disease in humans characterized by chronic diarrhea and severe abdominal pain with sick cows and contaminated milk.

We're not describing a disease process on another continent, or another era. I'm sad to say that we're talking about the United States in 2004.

According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, from 20 percent to 40 percent of U.S. dairy farms have sick cows. These cows aren't mildly ill, they're infected with Mycobacteria paratuberculosis, which produces massive diarrhea and incredible weight loss. But on factory farms, sick cows still provide commercial milk. Milk from sick cows is pooled with milk from healthy cows. The result: contaminated milk and, apparently, a whole lot of sick people.

It's not a pretty picture – for the cows, or the humans. And like most medical matters, the story is not simple. I hope you'll stay with me.

Think of the worst stomach flu you ever experienced. Then imagine trying to live with that every day.

That's Crohn's disease.

Crohn's disease was virtually unknown before 1940. But by the 1950s, the number of confirmed cases doubled. And then it tripled, and then quadrupled. Today, the disease affects somewhere between 1 to 2 million people in the United States alone, and the number of new patients increases every year. Many are children. According to epidemiologists, Crohn's disease is advancing into epidemic levels.

This is a disease characterized by pain and extreme embarrassment. Those who have it, don't talk about it.

Many Crohn's patients plan their day so that bathrooms are always available. In order to go to work, some drive RVs instead of cars. Some simply stay home 24x7. The direct costs of treatment are now estimated at more than $2 billion per year in the United States alone. The secondary costs to the economy in lost wages and productivity are many times that. The costs in human misery are immeasurable. It's not an exaggeration to describe Crohn's disease in the United States as a health emergency.

Crohn's is classified by U.S. medicine as an autoimmune disease, treated by a variety of anti-inflammatory drugs, including steroids. As the disease progresses, many patients suffer the surgical removal of diseased portions of their digestive system.

But what makes it unimaginably worse is compelling research, mostly from Europe, which reveals this horrible disease is not autoimmune at all.

Compelling evidence links Crohn's disease with Mycobacteria paratuberculosis.

And the most likely source of the infection? Milk.

That's right, milk. According to published research, susceptible individuals are consuming literally millions of pathogenic bacteria while drinking off the shelf, pasteurized, in the carton, highly subsidized ... milk.

Crohn's disease

Crohn's was unknown until the early 1900s when two very similar diseases were described: one in domestic animals called Johne's disease and one in humans named after the physician who first wrote about it, Dr. Burrill Crohn.

Dr. H.A. Johne was the first to describe the disease in cattle. What became know as Johne's disease is characterized by profuse and intractable diarrhea, severe weight loss and diagnostic changes in the lining of the small intestine. In diseased cattle, the intestine has so many ulcers, the surface of the intestines, normally smooth, is described as having a cobblestone appearance.

Untreated Crohn's disease is also characterized by profuse and intractable diarrhea, severe weight loss and diagnostic changes in the lining of the small intestine. In diseased humans, the intestines are also described as having a cobblestone appearance.

By the 1930s, Johne's disease was found to be caused by an odd bacteria named Mycobacteria paratuberculosis. This organism is in the same family with bacteria which cause tuberculosis and leprosy.

M. paratuberculosis produces disease by over stimulating the immune system. The bacterium lives inside the cells of the host, where it divides only once about every 2 to 12 hours. (By way of contrast, the bacteria in the gut divides about once every 20 minutes.)

There are no toxins or poisons produced by the bacteria. Disease happens when the immune system recognizes the "foreign" proteins of the bacteria, even inside a living cell and mounts a furious attack. The immune "attack" focuses on the infected cells in the mucosal layer of the digestive system. Massive inflammation results, as well as ulcers, diarrhea and weight loss.

The disease is known to pass from cow to calf, as infected cows shed millions of active bacteria into their milk. The infected animals also pass the infection to healthy animals by food contaminated by diarrhea. Factory farming methods where larger and larger herds are grazed on smaller and smaller plots of land further increase the potential for infection.

Infected animals are known to lose over 300 pounds per week, mostly from massive diarrhea. Fecal material from infected cows contain as much as 1 trillion bacteria per gram. Infected cows spray fecal material everywhere, including over their udders and on nearby cows where the material contaminates milk. Infected cows also pass the bacteria directly into milk in millions of bacteria per gram.

Sadly, in today's factory farms, milk from sick cows and milk from healthy cows is pooled together and then trucked to the milk processor, where it is piped into cartons and then sold at the local market.

A 1997 USDA study showed that that the number of herds infected is increasing, and that at least 20 percent – and as many as 40 percent – of U.S. dairy herds were positive for M. paratuberculosis.

Interestingly, the incidence of Crohn's disease is also increasing, at roughly the same rate as Johne's. The United States now has the highest incidence (new cases) of Crohn's disease in the world.

M. paratuberculosis and Crohn's disease

In the 1930s and 40s, Dr. Crohn was convinced that the human disease was virtually the same as the disease in cattle. But despite repeated trials, he couldn't isolate m. paratuberculosis from human tissue. Also, the bacteria could not be detected in diseased human tissue using a light microscope.

In cattle, the bacteria grows a special cell wall which is easily stained and readily visible in microscopy. In infected cattle, researchers could see swarms of bacteria under the microscope. In humans, they could see none. Even though the progress of the two diseases was extraordinarily similar, without an organism they could either see or culture, Dr. Crohn and other researchers were forced to conclude that the Crohn's disease was caused by an unknown autoimmune process.

The mystery was resolved in 1984, when a microbiologist at Brown's University, Dr. Rodrick Chiodini, demonstrated that m. paratuberculosis sheds its cell wall in humans, and takes a new form, called a spheroblast. In a landmark study, Dr. Chiodini cultured Mycobacteria from children infected with Crohn's.

Dr. Chiodini's effort was extraordinary. Mycobacteria are very difficult to cultivate. Special media are required and months of incubation, since the organism divides only once or twice a day. M. paratuberculosis is in the same family with the organisms which causes leprosy and tuberculosis. In the case of Mycobacteria leprae, the organism which causes leprosy, the only way to grow the bacteria (believe it or not) is in the foot pads of a special species of mice or in the nine banded armadillo. It just won't grow in outside of a very narrow band of living hosts.

Even with the difficulties in cultivation, labs were able to isolate M. paratuberculosis from Crohn's patients in California, Texas, France, The Netherlands, Australia, England and the Czech Republic.

In 1987, using DNA probes similar to the techniques used to identify forensic cases, researchers in England looked at tissue samples from Crohn's patients and compared them with patients with ulcerative colitis. Sixty-five percent of the samples from Crohn's patients were positive for m. paratuberculosis, compared with 4 percent of the control. Dr. Herman-Taylor, who led the research effort, was convinced at the time that with better lab technique, over 90 percent of the samples should have been positive.

In 2002, Dr. Herman-Taylor performed a similar survey, with a larger group of samples, and with improved lab techniques. This time, 92 percent of the samples from Crohn's patients were positive for M. paratuberculosis.

Further establishing the causative link, M. paratuberculosis isolated from Crohn's patients was found to cause a similar disease when fed to farm animals.

I wish I could report that the Food and Drug Administration, the USDA and the U.S. Animal Health Association is responding to the health implications of contaminated milk, but to date, there has been little funding and minimal response from agencies of the U.S. government, whose main responsibility is the health and welfare of its citizens.

Despite convincing evidence (only a small portion is presented here), the agencies tasked with funding research and advocating disease treatment are essentially ignoring advocates for bacterial Crohn's, even while dramatic increases in the number of new cases are occurring, especially in those under 30, and a coincident increase in the number of very sick cows infected with paratuberculosis are seen in factory farms.

Universally contaminated milk = epidemic Crohn's disease

As mentioned previously, cows infected with Mycobacteria paratuberculosis shed literally trillions of bacteria, most of it from diarrhea, but some excreted directly into milk.

OK, Bennett, that's certainly disgusting, but why write about it?

The reason is simple, and equally disturbing. M. paratuberculosis is strongly – even conclusively – associated with a nasty disease in humans called Crohn's disease, a disease characterized by extraordinary pain and unchecked diarrhea, a disease currently reaching epidemic levels.

The infection rate of M. paratuberculosis in U.S. dairy herds is beyond epidemic. As reported by the USDA. as many as 40 percent of the nations dairy herds have sick cows, infected with and actively shedding M. paratuberculosis.

The response by the milk lobby and the USDA: No problem here.

The disease in cows is called Johne's disease, and in humans, Crohn's disease. For most of us, the possibility that pathogenic bacteria might exist in the milk supply is difficult to believe. After all, milk is pasteurized, and pasteurization is advertised as a complete protection against any potential pathogenic bacteria.

Sadly, this is not the case with M. paratuberculosis.

Pasteurization in the United States is accomplished predominately by the HTST (high temperature short time ) method, where milk is exposed to 72 degrees centigrade (165 degrees F) for 15 seconds, as milk streams through the pasteurization coils.

In the laboratory, 72 degrees C. for 15 seconds doesn't kill M. paratuberculosis. In fact, 90 degrees (194 F) for 15 seconds doesn't kill the bacteria. Part of the reason is that the organism is concentrated in pus cells in milk which protect the bacteria from heat damage during pasteurization. Again, sadly, the USDA allows the highest number of pus cells in commercial milk in the Western world.

Of all the available milk products on the shelf, only ultrapasteurized milk was found to be free of live M. paratuberculosis.

OK, that's the lab ... what about store-bought milk?

In Ireland in 1998, researchers bought 31 cartons of milk from 16 retail outlets and tested them for M. paratuberculosis. Six (19 percent) grew out live cultures of the bacteria.

The results were widely publicized in the United Kingdom, but singularly ignored by the major press in the United States. Responding to public pressure, the British government initiated a 1,000-sample survey of milk, finding in 2000 that over 3 percent of the milk sampled grew live Mycobacteria . The detection levels were higher than the 1998 Irish study. In order to be labeled positive, a sample of milk had to be contaminated with over 1 million bacteria.

The USDA initiated its own study in 1998, but curiously ignored the established techniques to isolate Mycobacteria . It has been reported that the milk samples tested by the USDA were first frozen (known to weaken Mycobacteria ), then the samples were exposed to high frequency sound waves. Finally the samples were grown on media which is considered inadequate to culture Mycobacteria . In contrast with accepted protocols, the cultures were incubated for only three months. It is widely accepted that the minimum time required for M. paratuberculosis culturing is four months. Not surprisingly, the cultures were all negative.

Other countries have not been so cavalier. Milk studies continue in Europe, among them a study from Switzerland in 2003, where 1,384 bulk milk samples from different regions were tested for M. paratuberculosis using DNA probe methods. Some 19.7 percent were positive for the bacteria. Intriguingly, the cows from Swiss farms were predominantly asymptomatic – they were apparently ill, but not producing the massive diarrhea that characterizes the latter stages of M. paratuberculosis infection.

Laboratories independent from the USDA have been examining milk for the last 10 years. Anecdotal evidence from around the United States indicates that over 10 percent of milk products surveyed by these labs are positive for m. paratuberculosis.

It has also been reported that independent researchers are nearing publication of a long-term study which concludes that random commercial milk samples from a Midwest state are more than 10 percent positive for live Mycobacteria .

Unfortunately, contaminated milk is not the only avenue of infection. Eventually, even factory farm cows become too sick to be useful. These cows are culled from the herds, slaughtered and made into hamburger, which is also sold in stores. Sadly, the same process which contaminates milk, also contaminates meat.

The USDA, however, does not consider these very sick cows to be any health risk whatsoever.

Antibiotic treatment for Crohn's disease

Forefront physicians across the world have been treating Crohn's patients with a cocktail of antibiotics specially formulated to be effective against M. paratuberculosis. The results have been stunningly successful.

In Florida, Dr. Ira Shafran published a study (self-financed) where 77 percent of the patients treated with antibiotics were markedly improved. In Australia, Dr. Tom Borody is conducting a 2-year study on the effects of antibiotic therapy on Crohn's. The results will be published within months, but Dr. Borody states that the early indications are strongly positive. Within his own practice, Dr. Borody told WND that more than 70 percent of his patients eventually reach remission. Approximately 15 percent of his patients are considered healed – having no symptoms for four or more years.

In 1997, in England, a treatment trial was published where 52 patients with severe Crohn's disease were treated with two antibiotics for almost one year. Six of the patients were unable to tolerate the drug therapy and dropped out. Of the remaining 46, 94 percent were in remission at the conclusion of the trial.

Dr. Herman-Taylor, who continues to research and treat Crohn's patients told the press: "I've seen people without hope get better like magic. I've been a doctor for 40 years, and this is the best thing I've ever seen in medicine." Another researcher was quoted: "If this were cancer, we'd be calling these long remissions a cure."

While not 100 percent, no other treatment available today even comes close.

Given the harsh realities of an epidemic disease, you'd think that all of medicine would enthusiastically welcome a new treatment model based on state-of-the-art research under which more than 70 percent of Crohn's patients were able to resume normal lives.

If you thought that, you'd be wrong.

Medicine in the United States has a sad history of hanging onto foolish disease paradigms, despite compelling evidence to the contrary. In the recent past, gastroenterologists waited as long as 15 years before recognizing that ulcers are not caused by stress, but are actually caused by another unusual slow-growing bacteria – Helicobacter pylori.

In the United States, the engines for change in medicine are the drug companies, university medicine – funded by various government agencies, and research demanded by political pressure – AIDS research and breast-cancer research for example.

Drug companies sell the current view of Crohn's disease as an autoimmune disease and are unlikely to shake the paradigm. No single drug company would "own" the treatment of Crohn's, should its bacterial origins become commonly known. There is little profit motive.

In fact, there is arguably a negative profit motive, since at present, a patient's steroid and anti-inflammatory treatments never end. When ulcers were found to be caused by H. pylori, drug companies lost millions. It's a terrible pun, but for the drug companies, Crohn's is a cash cow.

In the case of government funding, the Cleveland Free Press reported that over 25 of Dr. Herman-Taylor's grant proposals for projects associating M. para with Crohn's were summarily rejected. Other researchers suffered similar reactions. The reasons are complex and are arguably related as much to the milk lobby as they are to forefront medicine.

According to the milk lobby, one of the most powerful in Washington, there is absolutely no reason to suspect that there could be anything wrong with the U.S. milk supply. In the face of increasingly convincing evidence, a spokesman for the U.S. milk lobby compared those who are trying to publicize the evidence to those who believe in flying saucers.

Where do we go from here?

Clearly the United States lags the rest of the world in recognizing the link between Mycobacteria paratuberculosis and Crohn's disease.

Equally clear, Americans will not long tolerate out-of-date treatment protocols and disinformation.

If the research is correct that the disease in cattle and the disease in humans are the same, the U.S. government needs to address this right away.

Dr. William Davis, a professor of veterinary microbiology and pathology at Washington State University, and a member of the National Academy of Science's Johne's Disease Committee, has stated that the research linking M. paratuberculosis with Crohn's disease is intriguing, but that the numbers of patients cited in existing research are not large enough.

Dr. Davis told WND that a conclusive study would involve a significantly large group of patients and would proceed under strict controls. He also admitted that funding for M. paratuberculosis is not deemed a high priority at the National Institute for Health, and that the exhaustive research that he would like to see is unlikely at the present.

It has been reported that the United States currently spends less than $4 million per year on Mycobacteria paratuberculosis research. Consider that a typical medium-sized downtown office building costs more than $100 million. For a disease that costs over $2 billion per year in direct treatment costs, $4 million in research funding is woefully, even criminally inadequate.

To contrast Crohn's disease with breast cancer: 2.8 million women in the United States are estimated to have breast cancer, approximately equal to the upper estimate of Crohn's patients. In 2003, from the National Cancer Institute alone, $550 million was allocated to breast cancer research.

Medical professionals correctly warn patients against betting the lives of their loved ones on some off-the-wall treatment program trumpeted on the Internet and sold in a foreign country. Most reasonable people know this and agree whole heartedly.

But in the case of Crohn's disease, many professionals, including physicians, whose children have been diagnosed with this disease are actively seeking antibiotic treatment, in many cases without the endorsement of traditional gastroenterologists. Anecdotal evidence has parents educating their own physicians and then begging them for antibiotic treatment.

Without adequate research and a responsive government, the sad reality is that across the country, literally hundreds of thousands of children cry themselves to sleep every night, because when they eat it hurts so bad, and sometimes even the steroids don't work.

Can we live with that?




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1 posted on 10/01/2004 6:33:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

Crone's Disease sufferer.

2 posted on 10/01/2004 6:35:45 AM PDT by martin_fierro (It was like that when I got here.)
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To: JohnHuang2
A good read.

I am disabled permanently from Crohn's. There is no cure. I have endured five major surgeries and may be looking at another. If you have or know someone who has this disease, tell them to gather ALL the information they can.

3 posted on 10/01/2004 6:40:40 AM PDT by afnamvet (Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom!)
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To: martin_fierro

More like its major symptom.


4 posted on 10/01/2004 6:45:29 AM PDT by nomad
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To: JohnHuang2

There is a far more prevalent incidence of irritable bowel syndrome in the US than there is of Crohn's disease. I wonder if it has the same cause?


5 posted on 10/01/2004 6:46:03 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly stupid.)
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To: farmfriend

More evidence to confirm the theory.


6 posted on 10/01/2004 6:47:24 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizing environmental regulation is critical to national survival.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Bump for later.


7 posted on 10/01/2004 6:47:44 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Unfortunately, contaminated milk is not the only avenue of infection. Eventually, even factory farm cows become too sick to be useful. These cows are culled from the herds, slaughtered and made into hamburger, which is also sold in stores. Sadly, the same process which contaminates milk, also contaminates meat.

Another reason that confimrs my decision to rarely buy hamburger or other ground-meat products. Best to have it all in one piece, and smart shopping means you can buy cheap cuts for only $1 more per lb. than hamburger.

8 posted on 10/01/2004 6:48:38 AM PDT by ikka
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To: JohnHuang2

I know someone with Chrohns. She grew up on a dairy farm. Coincidence? I'll forward this article to her.


9 posted on 10/01/2004 6:50:31 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: afnamvet

Did you ever receive sulfasalazine or mesalamine treatment??


10 posted on 10/01/2004 6:50:57 AM PDT by Luigi Vasellini
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To: afnamvet

Try liquid Silver.


11 posted on 10/01/2004 6:51:00 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: martin_fierro

You have a mean streak in there, don't cha? LOL, LOL, LOL !


13 posted on 10/01/2004 6:57:08 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Proud "Pajama Militia" Member)
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To: JohnHuang2

So why doesn't pasturizing kill the bacteria? That's the point, right?


14 posted on 10/01/2004 6:58:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Crohn's was unknown until the early 1900s when two very similar diseases were described: one in domestic animals called Johne's disease and one in humans named after the physician who first wrote about it, Dr. Burrill Crohn.

And, of course, in the days before pasteurization when people drank milk pretty much directly from cows, everything was hunky dory.

But what makes it unimaginably worse is compelling research, mostly from Europe, which reveals this horrible disease is not autoimmune at all.

Compelling evidence links Crohn's disease with Mycobacteria paratuberculosis.


And almost all people who get cancer have eaten butter. There's a lot more going on than just the presence or absence of bacteria and a lot of the disease lies in the susceptibility of the individual rather than in the extrinsic agent. Everybody is exposed to pathogens on a constant, daily basis. Only a relative few will be killed by this exposure.

Here's some of that "compelling" research from Europe:
Click here to read 
Bacterial DNA within granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease--detection by laser capture microdissection and PCR.

Ryan P, Kelly RG, Lee G, Collins JK, O'Sullivan GC, O'Connell J, Shanahan F.

Alimentary Pharmabiotic Centre; and Departments of Medicine, Histopathology, Microbiology, and Surgery, University College Cork, National University of Ireland, Ireland.

OBJECTIVES: We previously reported the use of laser capture microdissection (LCM) and PCR to detect the presence of Mycobacterium paratuberculosis DNA in granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease. While this does not imply a cause-effect relationship, it may influence the disease process because bacterial DNA has immunomodulatory effects. The aim of this study was to determine whether DNA from nonmycobacterial commensals, such as Escherichia coli, is also increased in the granulomas of Crohn's disease. METHODS: Archival tissue from 15 surgical cases of Crohn's disease and 10 non-Crohn's granulomatous bowel disease controls were examined. Granulomas were isolated using LCM, and the extracted DNA was examined for presence of E. coli DNA by nested PCR amplification of a 135 base-pair segment of the uidA gene. RESULTS: E. coli DNA was detected in microdissected granulomas in 12/15 Crohn's disease patients and in 1/10 non-Crohn's control granulomas (p < 0.001). Also, E. coli DNA was detected in 8/15 Crohn's full-thickness sections and in 4/10 control full-thickness sections. CONCLUSIONS: E. coli DNA may be detected more frequently in Crohn's granulomas than in other non-Crohn's bowel granulomas. This may indicate a tendency for lumenal bacteria to colonize inflamed tissue, or may be due to increased uptake of bacterial DNA by gut antigen presenting cells. In light of previous detection of M. paratuberculosis DNA in Crohn's granulomas, the nonspecific nature of the type of bacterial DNA present in granulomas is evidence against any one bacterium having a significant causative role in Crohn's disease. Copyright 2004 American College of Gastroenterology

PMID: 15307874 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



15 posted on 10/01/2004 6:59:52 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: afnamvet
If you have or know someone who has this disease, tell them to gather ALL the information they can.

But just make sure it's not slightly informed hysteria such as seen in this article and colonizing, like pathogenic bacteria, the crypts and villi of the internet.
16 posted on 10/01/2004 7:01:24 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: JohnHuang2

Thank you for this article. My brother suffered from Crohn's...it's an awful disease.


17 posted on 10/01/2004 7:03:51 AM PDT by ellery (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: JohnHuang2
I'm not in a position to dispute a single claim made in this article, however there is an organized effort afoot to kill the dairy and beef industry. The anti-milk group bounces from one claim to another hoping to discredit milk.
I don't know if this is one of those claims or not but in the past it has been their claims that have been discredited.
18 posted on 10/01/2004 7:04:14 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: JohnHuang2
I'm not in a position to dispute a single claim made in this article, however there is an organized effort afoot to kill the dairy and beef industry. The anti-milk group bounces from one claim to another hoping to discredit milk.
I don't know if this is one of those claims or not but in the past it has been their claims that have been discredited.
19 posted on 10/01/2004 7:06:45 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Carry_Okie

I used to have lots of bowel problems until I stopped drinking milk. After reading this I imagine many people could get better by just not drinking the stuff. I also about a year or two ago took some of those internet colon cleanser pills. Amazingly enough they got rid of a tapeworm that I had had for years. I felt good as new after that regimen of pills.

All that being said, with all the pharma's making billions off their drugs like vioxx and so forth, isn't it about time we put an end to their nonsense. The FDA isn't doing a damn bit of good, and really never has, meanwhile these new drugs are getting pushed through while the newer and apparently better alternatives are being sidelined. It just really looks like drug companies are completely profit driven.


20 posted on 10/01/2004 7:06:52 AM PDT by Harvey Rolex (First thing we do - Kill all the Lawyers)
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To: JohnHuang2

Milk consumption is totally unnecessary for maintaining a quality life.


21 posted on 10/01/2004 7:07:42 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: stockpirate; afnamvet

I have customers who have IBS and they use a product called Lily of the Desert's Stomach Formula. It's excellent. You can add one or two drops of collodial silver to it too, but it already has a lot of good stuff in there. All of my customers are people already under medical care. One was going to have surgery but opted to go to a wheatgrass retreat instead, and lives off mostly juices and distilled water.


22 posted on 10/01/2004 7:11:04 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: MedicalMess

ping


23 posted on 10/01/2004 7:12:37 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: Cold Heart

The milk and beef industry does fine on its own. However, when one questions one aspect of their practices they sue people in court to silence them.


24 posted on 10/01/2004 7:13:02 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg; afnamvet

Get the book "The Ph Mircle", By Dr. Robert Young.


25 posted on 10/01/2004 7:13:11 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: afnamvet
"I am disabled permanently from Crohn's."

Sorry to hear that. Prayers on their way.

26 posted on 10/01/2004 7:13:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

BTTT prayer has marvelous healing power on the body.


27 posted on 10/01/2004 7:14:11 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: JohnHuang2

Try organic milk. (donning flame suit)


28 posted on 10/01/2004 7:16:40 AM PDT by manic4organic (Nipplegate and Rathergate: two boobs exposed. (courtesy of Stateline))
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To: civil discourse

Crohn's IS caused by MAP (in perhap 80% of cases). Please excuse me if I'm a little cynical about the milk lobby. The problem with antibiotics, as far as I can tell, is that for now you must take them for several years to be successful (if you can find a doctor who will buy this research). Also, you must not have had those particular antibiotics before (For instance, I believe biaxin is used in combination with another drug). If I can rid my body of this bacteria, you can be sure I will not be having milk, beef, or cheese again.

As to the underlying mechanisms, this interview with a leading researching was very enlightening:

http://ibd.patientcommunity.com/features/korzenik_crohn.cfm?link_id=2424

The researcher states that, like periodontitis-causing bacteria, certain bacteria can foil the bodies first line of defense (neutrophils) thereby causing inflammation (backup defense).
Leukine (gm-csf)is one of the first remedies that is actually an immune-stimulant and should be on the market by late 2007- it seems to be VERY effective but trials are ongoing (but look for an effective immunemodulator(sic) called Antegren to be also helpful in 2006). Remicade will only last so long and Humira may replace it- BUT I want to find this bacteria, not let it just reside in my system.
Until then I have to go on methotrexate this month.

For those of you with mild crohn's I heartily suggest Sachromyces Boulardii (prebiotics: effective yeast capsules) and Lactobacillus GG (probiotics that add a protective layer to the intestine).


29 posted on 10/01/2004 7:16:48 AM PDT by doglover
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To: cyborg

Very true.


30 posted on 10/01/2004 7:17:59 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: cyborg
Milk consumption is totally unnecessary for maintaining a quality life.

Cookies and milk are completely necessary for a quality life in my opinion. Same with ice cream and pizza.
31 posted on 10/01/2004 7:18:43 AM PDT by JTHomes
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To: manic4organic

I agree. Goat's milk is probably the best form of animal milk if one is so inclined.


32 posted on 10/01/2004 7:18:43 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: JTHomes

Yes for someone healthy, but there's no social dictate for anyone to eat that stuff. If I had Crohn's disease I would not be eating those things.


33 posted on 10/01/2004 7:19:47 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: afnamvet
I have Crohns, luckily a mild case and drink only super pasturized milk that has a shelf life of 1 month, go figure. I tried steroids (after living with Crohns for 5 years and not knowing about it) and that wrecked havic on my body. My doctor has given me Cypro (but he doesn't believe it works regardless of all the evidence) and I have been symptom free during the times I take it and for about 2-3 weeks after (what a relief now and then) but he won't give it to me more then once every half a year or so.

In Germany there is new research that has gotten a 70% remission rate. Every two weeks you take a pill with worm eggs. The worms have a 2 week life span in the intestine and seem to refocus the body's fight on them rather then on itself. To bad it will take 50 years for the idiots in the FDA to get around to it.

Also, having served a long time in the military, I found MREs cause constipation and that mitigates the effects of Crohns. Also coconut is supposed to do the same.

I've also read that some 5 million Americans have the disease without knowing.

34 posted on 10/01/2004 7:21:48 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: manic4organic
Try organic milk. (donning flame suit)

Better yet try raw, whole milk from healthy cows. Healthy cows don't produce a bunch of puss in thier milk. Raw milk contains beneficial bacteria that is killed by pasturization. It also has more vitamins, enzymes, and usable protein and calcium.
35 posted on 10/01/2004 7:24:15 AM PDT by JTHomes
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To: JohnHuang2; All
I tried everything and I mean EVERYTHING to battle this disease. All the supplements, miracle cures, what-have-you....NO HELP.

I currently self inject methotrexate 1cc weekly with Remecade IV every 8 weeks. I am now coping with flareups and depression (side effect of some of the meds).

Doing OK and coping well.

Enjoying posting on FR and volunteering for the President's re-election.

36 posted on 10/01/2004 7:25:52 AM PDT by afnamvet (Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom!)
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To: Little Ray

Because the US milk supply is under pasturized. Ever wonder why generic milk has a one to two week shelf life while super pasturized (only $1 more) has 1 -1.5 months?


37 posted on 10/01/2004 7:26:07 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: aruanan

A. The source you are citing is an American Journal, and the author of this piece specifically points out that American Medical Authorities do not accept this thesis.
What he is stating is very true - most scientific communities are extremely conservative and are unwilling to reject current theories unless exposed to overwhelming laboratory evidence that those theories are flawed.

B. Their is no conflict between this new theory and the past history of pathogens. Pathogens mutate and their mutation rates far exceed that of any higher organisms. Most of the pathogens that been historical epidemiological problems arose from continual human expose to some other animal species in which that pathogen originated - small pox from fouls, bubonic plague from rodents, etc.

The fact that Crohn's is increasing in frequency ni the western world, along with irritable bowel syndrome would point to some factor not found in other world populations and this new theory is certainly wirth exploring.

Anyone who is afflcited with either of these disorders or knows a friend or relative who is, is aware of the serious and debilitation consequnces of it.

Crohns not only is disabling - its a killer. It can cause damage to the liver and other vital digestive oragns and lives the victim to a long and painful death.

The individual who was making a joke of this vis-a-vis Kerry's spouse was totally out of line. Crohn's is about as funny as cancer.


38 posted on 10/01/2004 7:26:21 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: aruanan

Funny, places like England and France that enforce super pasturization have fewer cases and India where all milk by religion must be heavily boiled also has few cases. The fact that super pasturized milk has a shelf life twice as long or longer then the generic stuff......just ignore all the evidence, what ever.


39 posted on 10/01/2004 7:28:16 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: neverdem

IBS ping


40 posted on 10/01/2004 7:31:34 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Cold Heart
I'm not in a position to dispute a single claim made in this article, however there is an organized effort afoot to kill the dairy and beef industry. The anti-milk group bounces from one claim to another hoping to discredit milk.

So why would relatively modest changes in the , pasteurization of milk, or segregation of the sick cows 'kill' the dairy and beef industry? Some other posters on this thread have weighed in not against _beef_, just _ground beef_ (hamburger). There are still other cuts of meat available.

41 posted on 10/01/2004 7:31:44 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: cyborg
Milk consumption is totally unnecessary for maintaining a quality life.

Not according to most calves! ;-)

42 posted on 10/01/2004 7:32:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

hehe! true :-)


43 posted on 10/01/2004 7:33:03 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: doglover
For those of you with mild crohn's I heartily suggest Sachromyces Boulardii (prebiotics: effective yeast capsules) and Lactobacillus GG (probiotics that add a protective layer to the intestine).

Where can I get it and do I need a precription?

44 posted on 10/01/2004 7:35:00 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: JohnHuang2

If this is the case, even non-milk drinkers are in danger. Cow manure is widely used as a fertilizer for vegetables and cow by-products used in cat and dog foods.


45 posted on 10/01/2004 7:35:17 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Are there any dairies out there that are vigilant in protecting their cows from this disease? Being an avid milk drinker, I'd sure like to know.


46 posted on 10/01/2004 7:38:01 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: jb6

No need for a prescription- S.B. can be found on the internet- look for Jarrows brand ($10 for 100 caps). Lactobacillus GG is also cheap ($17 for 30 tabs) and can be found on internet (with brand name Culturelle) or have your pharmacy order them for you (as I do).


47 posted on 10/01/2004 7:38:41 AM PDT by doglover
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To: manic4organic
Try organic milk.

That's all I buy. It costs a little extra, but I figure my kids don't need the extra hormones and antibiotics in the regular stuff.

49 posted on 10/01/2004 7:42:55 AM PDT by conservative cat
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To: jb6
Ultra-pasteurization will kill pathogens, but it is a cheap band-aid approach that hurts the nutritional value of the product. Healthy cows produce healthy milk. If the dairy industry would let their animals eat the grasses they are designed to eat instead of cheap soybeans and corn, and keep milk from sick animals out of the mix, this wouldn’t be an issue. You can boil sewage and make it “safe” to drink, but I wouldn’t serve it on my cereal. It seems a similar issue to the food producers wanting to irradiate our food so workers won’t have to wash their hands after using the bathroom. Clean up the source!

My sympathies to anyone with Crohn’s.
50 posted on 10/01/2004 7:43:28 AM PDT by JTHomes
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