Skip to comments.Crohn's disease, sick cows and contaminated milk
Posted on 10/01/2004 6:33:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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Crone's Disease sufferer.
I am disabled permanently from Crohn's. There is no cure. I have endured five major surgeries and may be looking at another. If you have or know someone who has this disease, tell them to gather ALL the information they can.
More like its major symptom.
There is a far more prevalent incidence of irritable bowel syndrome in the US than there is of Crohn's disease. I wonder if it has the same cause?
More evidence to confirm the theory.
Bump for later.
Another reason that confimrs my decision to rarely buy hamburger or other ground-meat products. Best to have it all in one piece, and smart shopping means you can buy cheap cuts for only $1 more per lb. than hamburger.
I know someone with Chrohns. She grew up on a dairy farm. Coincidence? I'll forward this article to her.
Did you ever receive sulfasalazine or mesalamine treatment??
Try liquid Silver.
You have a mean streak in there, don't cha? LOL, LOL, LOL !
So why doesn't pasturizing kill the bacteria? That's the point, right?
Bacterial DNA within granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease--detection by laser capture microdissection and PCR.
Ryan P, Kelly RG, Lee G, Collins JK, O'Sullivan GC, O'Connell J, Shanahan F.
Alimentary Pharmabiotic Centre; and Departments of Medicine, Histopathology, Microbiology, and Surgery, University College Cork, National University of Ireland, Ireland.
OBJECTIVES: We previously reported the use of laser capture microdissection (LCM) and PCR to detect the presence of Mycobacterium paratuberculosis DNA in granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease. While this does not imply a cause-effect relationship, it may influence the disease process because bacterial DNA has immunomodulatory effects. The aim of this study was to determine whether DNA from nonmycobacterial commensals, such as Escherichia coli, is also increased in the granulomas of Crohn's disease. METHODS: Archival tissue from 15 surgical cases of Crohn's disease and 10 non-Crohn's granulomatous bowel disease controls were examined. Granulomas were isolated using LCM, and the extracted DNA was examined for presence of E. coli DNA by nested PCR amplification of a 135 base-pair segment of the uidA gene. RESULTS: E. coli DNA was detected in microdissected granulomas in 12/15 Crohn's disease patients and in 1/10 non-Crohn's control granulomas (p < 0.001). Also, E. coli DNA was detected in 8/15 Crohn's full-thickness sections and in 4/10 control full-thickness sections. CONCLUSIONS: E. coli DNA may be detected more frequently in Crohn's granulomas than in other non-Crohn's bowel granulomas. This may indicate a tendency for lumenal bacteria to colonize inflamed tissue, or may be due to increased uptake of bacterial DNA by gut antigen presenting cells. In light of previous detection of M. paratuberculosis DNA in Crohn's granulomas, the nonspecific nature of the type of bacterial DNA present in granulomas is evidence against any one bacterium having a significant causative role in Crohn's disease. Copyright 2004 American College of Gastroenterology
PMID: 15307874 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Thank you for this article. My brother suffered from Crohn's...it's an awful disease.
I used to have lots of bowel problems until I stopped drinking milk. After reading this I imagine many people could get better by just not drinking the stuff. I also about a year or two ago took some of those internet colon cleanser pills. Amazingly enough they got rid of a tapeworm that I had had for years. I felt good as new after that regimen of pills.
All that being said, with all the pharma's making billions off their drugs like vioxx and so forth, isn't it about time we put an end to their nonsense. The FDA isn't doing a damn bit of good, and really never has, meanwhile these new drugs are getting pushed through while the newer and apparently better alternatives are being sidelined. It just really looks like drug companies are completely profit driven.
Milk consumption is totally unnecessary for maintaining a quality life.
I have customers who have IBS and they use a product called Lily of the Desert's Stomach Formula. It's excellent. You can add one or two drops of collodial silver to it too, but it already has a lot of good stuff in there. All of my customers are people already under medical care. One was going to have surgery but opted to go to a wheatgrass retreat instead, and lives off mostly juices and distilled water.
The milk and beef industry does fine on its own. However, when one questions one aspect of their practices they sue people in court to silence them.
Get the book "The Ph Mircle", By Dr. Robert Young.
Sorry to hear that. Prayers on their way.
BTTT prayer has marvelous healing power on the body.
Try organic milk. (donning flame suit)
Crohn's IS caused by MAP (in perhap 80% of cases). Please excuse me if I'm a little cynical about the milk lobby. The problem with antibiotics, as far as I can tell, is that for now you must take them for several years to be successful (if you can find a doctor who will buy this research). Also, you must not have had those particular antibiotics before (For instance, I believe biaxin is used in combination with another drug). If I can rid my body of this bacteria, you can be sure I will not be having milk, beef, or cheese again.
As to the underlying mechanisms, this interview with a leading researching was very enlightening:
The researcher states that, like periodontitis-causing bacteria, certain bacteria can foil the bodies first line of defense (neutrophils) thereby causing inflammation (backup defense).
Leukine (gm-csf)is one of the first remedies that is actually an immune-stimulant and should be on the market by late 2007- it seems to be VERY effective but trials are ongoing (but look for an effective immunemodulator(sic) called Antegren to be also helpful in 2006). Remicade will only last so long and Humira may replace it- BUT I want to find this bacteria, not let it just reside in my system.
Until then I have to go on methotrexate this month.
For those of you with mild crohn's I heartily suggest Sachromyces Boulardii (prebiotics: effective yeast capsules) and Lactobacillus GG (probiotics that add a protective layer to the intestine).
I agree. Goat's milk is probably the best form of animal milk if one is so inclined.
Yes for someone healthy, but there's no social dictate for anyone to eat that stuff. If I had Crohn's disease I would not be eating those things.
In Germany there is new research that has gotten a 70% remission rate. Every two weeks you take a pill with worm eggs. The worms have a 2 week life span in the intestine and seem to refocus the body's fight on them rather then on itself. To bad it will take 50 years for the idiots in the FDA to get around to it.
Also, having served a long time in the military, I found MREs cause constipation and that mitigates the effects of Crohns. Also coconut is supposed to do the same.
I've also read that some 5 million Americans have the disease without knowing.
I currently self inject methotrexate 1cc weekly with Remecade IV every 8 weeks. I am now coping with flareups and depression (side effect of some of the meds).
Doing OK and coping well.
Enjoying posting on FR and volunteering for the President's re-election.
Because the US milk supply is under pasturized. Ever wonder why generic milk has a one to two week shelf life while super pasturized (only $1 more) has 1 -1.5 months?
A. The source you are citing is an American Journal, and the author of this piece specifically points out that American Medical Authorities do not accept this thesis.
What he is stating is very true - most scientific communities are extremely conservative and are unwilling to reject current theories unless exposed to overwhelming laboratory evidence that those theories are flawed.
B. Their is no conflict between this new theory and the past history of pathogens. Pathogens mutate and their mutation rates far exceed that of any higher organisms. Most of the pathogens that been historical epidemiological problems arose from continual human expose to some other animal species in which that pathogen originated - small pox from fouls, bubonic plague from rodents, etc.
The fact that Crohn's is increasing in frequency ni the western world, along with irritable bowel syndrome would point to some factor not found in other world populations and this new theory is certainly wirth exploring.
Anyone who is afflcited with either of these disorders or knows a friend or relative who is, is aware of the serious and debilitation consequnces of it.
Crohns not only is disabling - its a killer. It can cause damage to the liver and other vital digestive oragns and lives the victim to a long and painful death.
The individual who was making a joke of this vis-a-vis Kerry's spouse was totally out of line. Crohn's is about as funny as cancer.
Funny, places like England and France that enforce super pasturization have fewer cases and India where all milk by religion must be heavily boiled also has few cases. The fact that super pasturized milk has a shelf life twice as long or longer then the generic stuff......just ignore all the evidence, what ever.
So why would relatively modest changes in the , pasteurization of milk, or segregation of the sick cows 'kill' the dairy and beef industry? Some other posters on this thread have weighed in not against _beef_, just _ground beef_ (hamburger). There are still other cuts of meat available.
Not according to most calves! ;-)
hehe! true :-)
Where can I get it and do I need a precription?
If this is the case, even non-milk drinkers are in danger. Cow manure is widely used as a fertilizer for vegetables and cow by-products used in cat and dog foods.
Are there any dairies out there that are vigilant in protecting their cows from this disease? Being an avid milk drinker, I'd sure like to know.
No need for a prescription- S.B. can be found on the internet- look for Jarrows brand ($10 for 100 caps). Lactobacillus GG is also cheap ($17 for 30 tabs) and can be found on internet (with brand name Culturelle) or have your pharmacy order them for you (as I do).
That's all I buy. It costs a little extra, but I figure my kids don't need the extra hormones and antibiotics in the regular stuff.