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Crohn's disease, sick cows and contaminated milk
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, October 1, 2004 | Chris Bennett

Posted on 10/01/2004 6:33:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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1 posted on 10/01/2004 6:33:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

Crone's Disease sufferer.

2 posted on 10/01/2004 6:35:45 AM PDT by martin_fierro (It was like that when I got here.)
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To: JohnHuang2
A good read.

I am disabled permanently from Crohn's. There is no cure. I have endured five major surgeries and may be looking at another. If you have or know someone who has this disease, tell them to gather ALL the information they can.

3 posted on 10/01/2004 6:40:40 AM PDT by afnamvet (Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom!)
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To: martin_fierro

More like its major symptom.


4 posted on 10/01/2004 6:45:29 AM PDT by nomad
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To: JohnHuang2

There is a far more prevalent incidence of irritable bowel syndrome in the US than there is of Crohn's disease. I wonder if it has the same cause?


5 posted on 10/01/2004 6:46:03 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly stupid.)
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To: farmfriend

More evidence to confirm the theory.


6 posted on 10/01/2004 6:47:24 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizing environmental regulation is critical to national survival.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Bump for later.


7 posted on 10/01/2004 6:47:44 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Unfortunately, contaminated milk is not the only avenue of infection. Eventually, even factory farm cows become too sick to be useful. These cows are culled from the herds, slaughtered and made into hamburger, which is also sold in stores. Sadly, the same process which contaminates milk, also contaminates meat.

Another reason that confimrs my decision to rarely buy hamburger or other ground-meat products. Best to have it all in one piece, and smart shopping means you can buy cheap cuts for only $1 more per lb. than hamburger.

8 posted on 10/01/2004 6:48:38 AM PDT by ikka
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To: JohnHuang2

I know someone with Chrohns. She grew up on a dairy farm. Coincidence? I'll forward this article to her.


9 posted on 10/01/2004 6:50:31 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: afnamvet

Did you ever receive sulfasalazine or mesalamine treatment??


10 posted on 10/01/2004 6:50:57 AM PDT by Luigi Vasellini
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To: afnamvet

Try liquid Silver.


11 posted on 10/01/2004 6:51:00 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: martin_fierro

You have a mean streak in there, don't cha? LOL, LOL, LOL !


13 posted on 10/01/2004 6:57:08 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Proud "Pajama Militia" Member)
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To: JohnHuang2

So why doesn't pasturizing kill the bacteria? That's the point, right?


14 posted on 10/01/2004 6:58:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Crohn's was unknown until the early 1900s when two very similar diseases were described: one in domestic animals called Johne's disease and one in humans named after the physician who first wrote about it, Dr. Burrill Crohn.

And, of course, in the days before pasteurization when people drank milk pretty much directly from cows, everything was hunky dory.

But what makes it unimaginably worse is compelling research, mostly from Europe, which reveals this horrible disease is not autoimmune at all.

Compelling evidence links Crohn's disease with Mycobacteria paratuberculosis.


And almost all people who get cancer have eaten butter. There's a lot more going on than just the presence or absence of bacteria and a lot of the disease lies in the susceptibility of the individual rather than in the extrinsic agent. Everybody is exposed to pathogens on a constant, daily basis. Only a relative few will be killed by this exposure.

Here's some of that "compelling" research from Europe:
Click here to read 
Bacterial DNA within granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease--detection by laser capture microdissection and PCR.

Ryan P, Kelly RG, Lee G, Collins JK, O'Sullivan GC, O'Connell J, Shanahan F.

Alimentary Pharmabiotic Centre; and Departments of Medicine, Histopathology, Microbiology, and Surgery, University College Cork, National University of Ireland, Ireland.

OBJECTIVES: We previously reported the use of laser capture microdissection (LCM) and PCR to detect the presence of Mycobacterium paratuberculosis DNA in granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease. While this does not imply a cause-effect relationship, it may influence the disease process because bacterial DNA has immunomodulatory effects. The aim of this study was to determine whether DNA from nonmycobacterial commensals, such as Escherichia coli, is also increased in the granulomas of Crohn's disease. METHODS: Archival tissue from 15 surgical cases of Crohn's disease and 10 non-Crohn's granulomatous bowel disease controls were examined. Granulomas were isolated using LCM, and the extracted DNA was examined for presence of E. coli DNA by nested PCR amplification of a 135 base-pair segment of the uidA gene. RESULTS: E. coli DNA was detected in microdissected granulomas in 12/15 Crohn's disease patients and in 1/10 non-Crohn's control granulomas (p < 0.001). Also, E. coli DNA was detected in 8/15 Crohn's full-thickness sections and in 4/10 control full-thickness sections. CONCLUSIONS: E. coli DNA may be detected more frequently in Crohn's granulomas than in other non-Crohn's bowel granulomas. This may indicate a tendency for lumenal bacteria to colonize inflamed tissue, or may be due to increased uptake of bacterial DNA by gut antigen presenting cells. In light of previous detection of M. paratuberculosis DNA in Crohn's granulomas, the nonspecific nature of the type of bacterial DNA present in granulomas is evidence against any one bacterium having a significant causative role in Crohn's disease. Copyright 2004 American College of Gastroenterology

PMID: 15307874 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



15 posted on 10/01/2004 6:59:52 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: afnamvet
If you have or know someone who has this disease, tell them to gather ALL the information they can.

But just make sure it's not slightly informed hysteria such as seen in this article and colonizing, like pathogenic bacteria, the crypts and villi of the internet.
16 posted on 10/01/2004 7:01:24 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: JohnHuang2

Thank you for this article. My brother suffered from Crohn's...it's an awful disease.


17 posted on 10/01/2004 7:03:51 AM PDT by ellery (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: JohnHuang2
I'm not in a position to dispute a single claim made in this article, however there is an organized effort afoot to kill the dairy and beef industry. The anti-milk group bounces from one claim to another hoping to discredit milk.
I don't know if this is one of those claims or not but in the past it has been their claims that have been discredited.
18 posted on 10/01/2004 7:04:14 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: JohnHuang2
I'm not in a position to dispute a single claim made in this article, however there is an organized effort afoot to kill the dairy and beef industry. The anti-milk group bounces from one claim to another hoping to discredit milk.
I don't know if this is one of those claims or not but in the past it has been their claims that have been discredited.
19 posted on 10/01/2004 7:06:45 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Carry_Okie

I used to have lots of bowel problems until I stopped drinking milk. After reading this I imagine many people could get better by just not drinking the stuff. I also about a year or two ago took some of those internet colon cleanser pills. Amazingly enough they got rid of a tapeworm that I had had for years. I felt good as new after that regimen of pills.

All that being said, with all the pharma's making billions off their drugs like vioxx and so forth, isn't it about time we put an end to their nonsense. The FDA isn't doing a damn bit of good, and really never has, meanwhile these new drugs are getting pushed through while the newer and apparently better alternatives are being sidelined. It just really looks like drug companies are completely profit driven.


20 posted on 10/01/2004 7:06:52 AM PDT by Harvey Rolex (First thing we do - Kill all the Lawyers)
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To: JohnHuang2

Milk consumption is totally unnecessary for maintaining a quality life.


21 posted on 10/01/2004 7:07:42 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: stockpirate; afnamvet

I have customers who have IBS and they use a product called Lily of the Desert's Stomach Formula. It's excellent. You can add one or two drops of collodial silver to it too, but it already has a lot of good stuff in there. All of my customers are people already under medical care. One was going to have surgery but opted to go to a wheatgrass retreat instead, and lives off mostly juices and distilled water.


22 posted on 10/01/2004 7:11:04 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: MedicalMess

ping


23 posted on 10/01/2004 7:12:37 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: Cold Heart

The milk and beef industry does fine on its own. However, when one questions one aspect of their practices they sue people in court to silence them.


24 posted on 10/01/2004 7:13:02 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg; afnamvet

Get the book "The Ph Mircle", By Dr. Robert Young.


25 posted on 10/01/2004 7:13:11 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: afnamvet
"I am disabled permanently from Crohn's."

Sorry to hear that. Prayers on their way.

26 posted on 10/01/2004 7:13:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

BTTT prayer has marvelous healing power on the body.


27 posted on 10/01/2004 7:14:11 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: JohnHuang2

Try organic milk. (donning flame suit)


28 posted on 10/01/2004 7:16:40 AM PDT by manic4organic (Nipplegate and Rathergate: two boobs exposed. (courtesy of Stateline))
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To: civil discourse

Crohn's IS caused by MAP (in perhap 80% of cases). Please excuse me if I'm a little cynical about the milk lobby. The problem with antibiotics, as far as I can tell, is that for now you must take them for several years to be successful (if you can find a doctor who will buy this research). Also, you must not have had those particular antibiotics before (For instance, I believe biaxin is used in combination with another drug). If I can rid my body of this bacteria, you can be sure I will not be having milk, beef, or cheese again.

As to the underlying mechanisms, this interview with a leading researching was very enlightening:

http://ibd.patientcommunity.com/features/korzenik_crohn.cfm?link_id=2424

The researcher states that, like periodontitis-causing bacteria, certain bacteria can foil the bodies first line of defense (neutrophils) thereby causing inflammation (backup defense).
Leukine (gm-csf)is one of the first remedies that is actually an immune-stimulant and should be on the market by late 2007- it seems to be VERY effective but trials are ongoing (but look for an effective immunemodulator(sic) called Antegren to be also helpful in 2006). Remicade will only last so long and Humira may replace it- BUT I want to find this bacteria, not let it just reside in my system.
Until then I have to go on methotrexate this month.

For those of you with mild crohn's I heartily suggest Sachromyces Boulardii (prebiotics: effective yeast capsules) and Lactobacillus GG (probiotics that add a protective layer to the intestine).


29 posted on 10/01/2004 7:16:48 AM PDT by doglover
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To: cyborg

Very true.


30 posted on 10/01/2004 7:17:59 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: cyborg
Milk consumption is totally unnecessary for maintaining a quality life.

Cookies and milk are completely necessary for a quality life in my opinion. Same with ice cream and pizza.
31 posted on 10/01/2004 7:18:43 AM PDT by JTHomes
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To: manic4organic

I agree. Goat's milk is probably the best form of animal milk if one is so inclined.


32 posted on 10/01/2004 7:18:43 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: JTHomes

Yes for someone healthy, but there's no social dictate for anyone to eat that stuff. If I had Crohn's disease I would not be eating those things.


33 posted on 10/01/2004 7:19:47 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: afnamvet
I have Crohns, luckily a mild case and drink only super pasturized milk that has a shelf life of 1 month, go figure. I tried steroids (after living with Crohns for 5 years and not knowing about it) and that wrecked havic on my body. My doctor has given me Cypro (but he doesn't believe it works regardless of all the evidence) and I have been symptom free during the times I take it and for about 2-3 weeks after (what a relief now and then) but he won't give it to me more then once every half a year or so.

In Germany there is new research that has gotten a 70% remission rate. Every two weeks you take a pill with worm eggs. The worms have a 2 week life span in the intestine and seem to refocus the body's fight on them rather then on itself. To bad it will take 50 years for the idiots in the FDA to get around to it.

Also, having served a long time in the military, I found MREs cause constipation and that mitigates the effects of Crohns. Also coconut is supposed to do the same.

I've also read that some 5 million Americans have the disease without knowing.

34 posted on 10/01/2004 7:21:48 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: manic4organic
Try organic milk. (donning flame suit)

Better yet try raw, whole milk from healthy cows. Healthy cows don't produce a bunch of puss in thier milk. Raw milk contains beneficial bacteria that is killed by pasturization. It also has more vitamins, enzymes, and usable protein and calcium.
35 posted on 10/01/2004 7:24:15 AM PDT by JTHomes
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To: JohnHuang2; All
I tried everything and I mean EVERYTHING to battle this disease. All the supplements, miracle cures, what-have-you....NO HELP.

I currently self inject methotrexate 1cc weekly with Remecade IV every 8 weeks. I am now coping with flareups and depression (side effect of some of the meds).

Doing OK and coping well.

Enjoying posting on FR and volunteering for the President's re-election.

36 posted on 10/01/2004 7:25:52 AM PDT by afnamvet (Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom!)
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To: Little Ray

Because the US milk supply is under pasturized. Ever wonder why generic milk has a one to two week shelf life while super pasturized (only $1 more) has 1 -1.5 months?


37 posted on 10/01/2004 7:26:07 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: aruanan

A. The source you are citing is an American Journal, and the author of this piece specifically points out that American Medical Authorities do not accept this thesis.
What he is stating is very true - most scientific communities are extremely conservative and are unwilling to reject current theories unless exposed to overwhelming laboratory evidence that those theories are flawed.

B. Their is no conflict between this new theory and the past history of pathogens. Pathogens mutate and their mutation rates far exceed that of any higher organisms. Most of the pathogens that been historical epidemiological problems arose from continual human expose to some other animal species in which that pathogen originated - small pox from fouls, bubonic plague from rodents, etc.

The fact that Crohn's is increasing in frequency ni the western world, along with irritable bowel syndrome would point to some factor not found in other world populations and this new theory is certainly wirth exploring.

Anyone who is afflcited with either of these disorders or knows a friend or relative who is, is aware of the serious and debilitation consequnces of it.

Crohns not only is disabling - its a killer. It can cause damage to the liver and other vital digestive oragns and lives the victim to a long and painful death.

The individual who was making a joke of this vis-a-vis Kerry's spouse was totally out of line. Crohn's is about as funny as cancer.


38 posted on 10/01/2004 7:26:21 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: aruanan

Funny, places like England and France that enforce super pasturization have fewer cases and India where all milk by religion must be heavily boiled also has few cases. The fact that super pasturized milk has a shelf life twice as long or longer then the generic stuff......just ignore all the evidence, what ever.


39 posted on 10/01/2004 7:28:16 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: neverdem

IBS ping


40 posted on 10/01/2004 7:31:34 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Cold Heart
I'm not in a position to dispute a single claim made in this article, however there is an organized effort afoot to kill the dairy and beef industry. The anti-milk group bounces from one claim to another hoping to discredit milk.

So why would relatively modest changes in the , pasteurization of milk, or segregation of the sick cows 'kill' the dairy and beef industry? Some other posters on this thread have weighed in not against _beef_, just _ground beef_ (hamburger). There are still other cuts of meat available.

41 posted on 10/01/2004 7:31:44 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: cyborg
Milk consumption is totally unnecessary for maintaining a quality life.

Not according to most calves! ;-)

42 posted on 10/01/2004 7:32:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

hehe! true :-)


43 posted on 10/01/2004 7:33:03 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: doglover
For those of you with mild crohn's I heartily suggest Sachromyces Boulardii (prebiotics: effective yeast capsules) and Lactobacillus GG (probiotics that add a protective layer to the intestine).

Where can I get it and do I need a precription?

44 posted on 10/01/2004 7:35:00 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: JohnHuang2

If this is the case, even non-milk drinkers are in danger. Cow manure is widely used as a fertilizer for vegetables and cow by-products used in cat and dog foods.


45 posted on 10/01/2004 7:35:17 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Are there any dairies out there that are vigilant in protecting their cows from this disease? Being an avid milk drinker, I'd sure like to know.


46 posted on 10/01/2004 7:38:01 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: jb6

No need for a prescription- S.B. can be found on the internet- look for Jarrows brand ($10 for 100 caps). Lactobacillus GG is also cheap ($17 for 30 tabs) and can be found on internet (with brand name Culturelle) or have your pharmacy order them for you (as I do).


47 posted on 10/01/2004 7:38:41 AM PDT by doglover
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To: manic4organic
Try organic milk.

That's all I buy. It costs a little extra, but I figure my kids don't need the extra hormones and antibiotics in the regular stuff.

49 posted on 10/01/2004 7:42:55 AM PDT by conservative cat
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To: jb6
Ultra-pasteurization will kill pathogens, but it is a cheap band-aid approach that hurts the nutritional value of the product. Healthy cows produce healthy milk. If the dairy industry would let their animals eat the grasses they are designed to eat instead of cheap soybeans and corn, and keep milk from sick animals out of the mix, this wouldn’t be an issue. You can boil sewage and make it “safe” to drink, but I wouldn’t serve it on my cereal. It seems a similar issue to the food producers wanting to irradiate our food so workers won’t have to wash their hands after using the bathroom. Clean up the source!

My sympathies to anyone with Crohn’s.
50 posted on 10/01/2004 7:43:28 AM PDT by JTHomes
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