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Tropical storm turns into hurricane higher latitude than NYC - UNPRECEDENTED
NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL ^ | October 2, 2004 | NHC

Posted on 10/02/2004 12:28:53 PM PDT by Truth666

HURRICANE LISA ADVISORY NUMBER 53 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 11 AM AST SAT OCT 02 2004
AT 11 AM AST...1500Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE LISA WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 42.0 NORTH...LONGITUDE 36.8 WEST OR ABOUT 585 MILES... 945 KM...WEST-NORTHWEST OF THE AZORES.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 75 MPH...120 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. LISA SHOULD BECOME EXTRATROPICAL TONIGHT OR SUNDAY.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; hurricane; hurricanelisa; prozacchewables
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The series of unprecedented hurricane events in the Atlantic continues - from Alex to Lisa, with the contribution of Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne.
1 posted on 10/02/2004 12:28:54 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

How does anyone know this is unprecedented? This old world has been around a few more years than what has been recorded.


2 posted on 10/02/2004 12:31:49 PM PDT by basil
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To: basil

It's unprecedented in history, which means as long as they've been keeping records I guess :)


3 posted on 10/02/2004 12:33:35 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Truth666

If it's at a higher latitude than NYC, how can it still be labeled a "tropical" storm?


4 posted on 10/02/2004 12:34:16 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Truth666

Its Bush's fault. Halliburton. Wrong Hurricane, wrong ocean, and wrong spin direction.


5 posted on 10/02/2004 12:34:18 PM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the Pajamarazzi!)
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To: basil

At least since you can use satellite photos to estimate wind speed at locations where wind has not been measured


6 posted on 10/02/2004 12:34:26 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; hellinahandcart

7 posted on 10/02/2004 12:34:47 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Truth666

How about that rare hurricane that hit Brazi last April? Weird.


8 posted on 10/02/2004 12:36:03 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Proud FReeper since 1998. Proud monthly donor.)
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To: basil

It isn't. Plenty of storms have formed or strengthened at fairly high latitudes. The thread starter is one of our resident "end times" nuts who thinks every natural event is a sign from God. A while back he claimed that a tsunami killed close to 20,000 people near Haiti. Of course we know that didn't happen.


9 posted on 10/02/2004 12:36:17 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: Truth666

The method you are referring is called Dvorak technique. It is not 100 percent accurate. I know they used in 2000 with Florence, which they thought it was a tropical storm, but when Hurricane Hunters went into that storm, it was a hurricane.


10 posted on 10/02/2004 12:36:43 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: COEXERJ145

Yes, it is.

BTW, the previous latitude record (38° North) for a tropical storm to turn into a hurricane was just 1 day old ...

HURRICANE LISA ADVISORY NUMBER 50
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM AST FRI OCT 01 2004

...AND YET ANOTHER HURRICANE IN THE ATLANTIC...NO THREAT TO LAND...

SATELLITE IMAGES INDICATE THAT LISA HAS REACHED HURRICANE
STRENGTH...BECOMING THE EIGHTH HURRICANE OF THE 2004 ATLANTIC SEASON. AT 5 PM AST...2100Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE LISA WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 38.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE 45.1 WEST OR ABOUT 980 MILES... 1580 KM... WEST OF THE AZORES.


11 posted on 10/02/2004 12:38:39 PM PDT by Truth666
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Hurricanes have hit NYC before. One of the famous buildings in NYC was discovered to have a structural flaw just before a hurricane was looking like it was going to hit town.

But when you consider our written history only goes back a few 1000 years, how would we know.

There was a time NYC was buried under 2 miles of ice. Probably will happen again :-(
12 posted on 10/02/2004 12:39:39 PM PDT by snooker (French Fried Flip Flopper still Flouncing, be careful out there.)
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To: tscislaw; Truth666

A hurricane once formed over the Great Lakes at the beginning of the last century and devestated Lakes shipping, sending something like 200 ships to the bottom.

Nothing is truly "unprecendented".


13 posted on 10/02/2004 1:01:28 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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A hurricane once formed over the Great Lakes at the beginning of the last century and devestated Lakes shipping, sending something like 200 ships to the bottom.

I find that hard to believe. Hurricane force winds, perhaps, but a real hurricane?

14 posted on 10/02/2004 1:03:28 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

That was the White Hurricane.

It was truly incredible!


15 posted on 10/02/2004 2:08:34 PM PDT by Cheetah1
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To: Truth666

Hurricanes in Michigan???
Written by: William R. Deedler, Weather Historian
National Weather Service Detroit/Pontiac, MI
August 18th, 2004
Originally written September, 1999
At first glance, when one reads that headline, one might say, "What? Hurricanes here in the Great Lakes?? No way!" Of course you'd be right, no actual hurricane has ever been observed in Michigan under the true definition of a hurricane. The definition of a hurricane, according to the Glossary of Weather and Climate edited by Ira W. Geer, is as follows: "A severe tropical cyclone with maximum 1-minute sustained surface wind speed greater than 64 knots (74 mph) in the North Atlantic Ocean, Carribean Sea, Gulf of Mexico and the Eastern North Pacific off the west coast of Mexico to the International Dateline. West of the Dateline they are known as typhoons." Furthermore, the definition of a tropical cyclone is as follows: "A generic term for a nonfrontal synoptic-scale cyclone originating over the tropical or subtropical waters with organized convection and a definite cyclonic surface wind circulation." Clearly, neither definition applies in the Great Lakes area, although remnants of hurricanes that have become extratropical (loses its tropical characteristics) occasionally do make their way into the Great Lakes region.



http://www.crh.noaa.gov/dtx/?page=stories/dtxcane


16 posted on 10/02/2004 2:10:17 PM PDT by Cheetah1
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To: Truth666

It's Bush's fault for not signing the Kyoto treaty/sarcasm.


18 posted on 10/02/2004 2:11:55 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: Cheetah1
The question is not where was that storm. THe question is if the winds were SUSTAINED.
BTW, one of the things UNPRECEDENTED about Jeanne was that it showed that a hurricane sitting on the same place for more than three days is possible. Imagine what that would have looked like, if that event happened a bit more to the west ...
19 posted on 10/02/2004 2:24:12 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

It happened in the Pacific on Columbus Day, 1962 when the west coast was hit with 80+ to 120+ mph sustained winds from Canada to California.


20 posted on 10/02/2004 2:28:38 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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