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Congress 101: If You Want Success, Don't Mess With the Gun Lobby
NY Times ^ | October 3, 2004 | DOROTHY SAMUELS

Posted on 10/02/2004 11:06:50 PM PDT by neverdem

EDITORIAL OBSERVER

For devoted foes of gun control, September was a banner month. It opened with Congress ignoring pleas from every major national police group to let the hard-won 1994 ban on assault weapons expire, and ended last week with the House approving a loony measure repealing Washington's strict gun laws.

And that's not all. In between reinstating every hunter's sacred Second Amendment right to nail Bambi with an AK-47, and mischievously meddling in local affairs to pass a one-chamber bill to weaken public safety in the nation's capital, the National Rifle Association and its busy-beaver allies quietly scored another legislative coup - this one without even trying. This little-noted achievement - if you can call it that - relates to a glaring omission in the new initiative to prevent youth suicide just approved by the House and Senate, and awaiting President Bush's signature.

Named for Garrett Lee Smith, the 21-year-old son of Senator Gordon Smith, Republican of Oregon, who killed himself in his college dorm room a year ago, the measure addresses a serious problem. Some 4,000 young Americans take their own lives each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It is impossible not to admire Senator Smith's determination to wring something positive from his terrible personal tragedy by going public with his family's pain, and rallying colleagues on both sides of the aisle to get behind legislation to expand counseling services and other state efforts to identify and help youngsters at risk of killing themselves. There's no question that the $82 million the legislation authorizes over the next three years to improve early-intervention suicide prevention efforts, including on college campuses, will save some lives (albeit fewer than it might have, owing to a parental consent requirement right-wing House Republicans insisted upon that will inevitably deter some troubled kids from getting timely help).

But the bill's positive aspects notwithstanding, it fails to address perhaps the most salient risk factor for troubled young people - the presence of a gun in the home. This avoidance is particularly frustrating given the scant chance that Congress will revisit the teenage suicide issue anytime soon, and the fact that it doesn't take a brain surgeon - just a lowly editorial writer - to see a couple of common sense steps that Congress could have taken to protect kids, and didn't take.

Firearms figure in about half of all youth suicides, and by now it is neither secret nor speculative that having a firearm at home significantly increases the chance of a depressed adolescent ending his or her own life. Nor should it come as a surprise that states with the highest rates of gun ownership also have the highest overall suicide rates.

Perhaps the most obvious way to reduce the deadly toll would be to insist that parents do a better job of locking up guns. Even as Congress was deliberating over fine print of the antisuicide bill, a telling new study by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the Annenberg Public Policy Center appeared in the Aug. 4 Journal of the American Medical Association. This study found an 8.3 percent decrease in suicide rates among 14- to 17-year-olds in 18 states that have enacted some form of child access prevention, or C.A.P., law, making it a crime to store guns carelessly in a way that permits easy access by kids.

Why are there no provisions in the antisuicide bill creating federal incentives to encourage states without C.A.P. laws to adopt them, following the approach successfully used to nudge states to tighten their drunken driving rules? Why does the new legislation omit the simple life-saving step of requiring gun dealers to provide an effective safety lock with every weapon sold?

When I directed these questions to a couple of the measure's supporters, they politely suggested I must be living on another planet. As it was, they had to accept the damaging parental consent language to get the bill through the House. Including the sort of child-protective gun provisions I was talking about would have invited rabid reflexive opposition from the gun lobby, very likely dooming any progress at all on the teenage suicide issue. "The power of the lobby is tremendous, and anything hinting of gun control, however sensible, is radioactive, especially in the House," explained Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, a lead Democratic sponsor of the teenage suicide bill along with Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, and a strong gun control supporter.

It is hard to quarrel with Senator Dodd's political assessment. But what a grim reflection on the present climate in Washington that small, reasonable steps like mandatory trigger locks cannot be openly raised and debated even in the context of trying to prevent children from committing suicide. Fear of the gun lobby is such, the subject never came up.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: awb; bang; banglist; firearms; guncontrol; gunlobby; gunprohibition; nra; secondamendment; suicideattempts; suicides
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I don't recognize this dingbat's name. Maybe she's a new hire. I'm not aware of studies showing that Child Access Prevention(CAP) laws prevent suicide. I found no studies at PubMed.

Here are two studies you may want to note:

Homicide and suicide rates associated with implementation of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act.

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

1 posted on 10/02/2004 11:06:50 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

For the moron who wrote this:

1. If they can't use a gun to kill themselves, they'll find another way. Look at japan - they have a higher suicide rate than the US and they outlaw guns completely.

2. The $82 million program inspired by this senator won't make one damn bit of difference either way in the suicide rate of teens. All it will do is spend $82 million of tax dollars that people could otherwise have to spend on their families.

Sorry about the congressman's loss, but spending taxpayer money as a way to deal with your personal grief accomplishes nothing.


2 posted on 10/02/2004 11:12:34 PM PDT by flashbunny (John Kerry: The Boston Flailer)
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To: neverdem
Suicide is not a disease, but rather a somewhat particular form of Darwinian natural selection. Thus it is not within Center of Disease Control and Prevention competence (or congressional competence, for that matter). Why not try (as an exercise) to prevent the change of seasons, or even stop a minor volcano St. Helens?
3 posted on 10/02/2004 11:17:32 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower; El Gato; Shooter 2.5; Mulder; blackie; Billthedrill; jdege; ...

BANG

The first study's result is interesting in that it showed suicide rates didn't change, just the method of suicide for those over 55 years old.


4 posted on 10/02/2004 11:18:20 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Archie Bunker says it best. When Gloria tells him how many people are dying from gunshots, he says "Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of a window?" Go Archie!


5 posted on 10/02/2004 11:18:57 PM PDT by endthematrix (Bad news is good news for the Kerry campaign!)
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To: endthematrix

LOL!!!


6 posted on 10/02/2004 11:20:46 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Gun "lobby." This label is how HCI, inc. frames anyone who stands for the second amendment in our Capitol.


7 posted on 10/02/2004 11:29:04 PM PDT by risk
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To: neverdem

A person intent on suicide will accomplish their goal with or without a firearm. Guard rails and sudden stops don't stop jumpers nor do gun laws make rabbits safer from coyotes. Arm the bunnies.


8 posted on 10/02/2004 11:37:43 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: neverdem

I'm still waiting for them to describe NARAL as the "abortion lobby" and point out how unpopular certain forms of abortion are. Why "so-called partial birth abortion" but not "so-called assault weapons?"


9 posted on 10/02/2004 11:39:45 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: neverdem
reinstating every hunter's sacred Second Amendment right to nail Bambi with an AK-47

Did someone write the word "hunter" into the Constitution while I was sleeping? I could have sworn that wasn't a qualification for owning a firearm...
10 posted on 10/02/2004 11:41:11 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: risk
Actually they have been using "extremists" to describe the gun lobby. Now the NRA (with blessings) have followed suit. No use defending, hit 'em back using their own game.
11 posted on 10/02/2004 11:41:29 PM PDT by endthematrix (Bad news is good news for the Kerry campaign!)
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To: neverdem

"Some 4,000 young Americans take their own lives each year,"

Nothing more than culling the heard.


12 posted on 10/02/2004 11:48:35 PM PDT by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: neverdem
Firearms figure in about half of all youth suicides, and by now it is neither secret nor speculative that having a firearm at home significantly increases the chance of a depressed adolescent ending his or her own life.

Speculation. More likely the presence of Ritalin, Luvox, and other psychotropic drugs in the bloodstream significantly increases the chance of any adolescent committing suicide more than any availabillity of firearms in the home.

13 posted on 10/03/2004 7:07:33 AM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: Morgan's Raider

Just think, the $200 billion that Bush has spent on the wrong war at the wrong time, could have saved all 4,000 of these kids. Right?


14 posted on 10/03/2004 7:15:48 AM PDT by umgud (Donate monthly, don't be a Freeploader)
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To: neverdem; All
Some general-purpose references:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711949/posts
Do Guns Save Lives?

-Empty-Barrel Gun Policies-A legacy of nonsense from Clinton, Blair, and the Left--

-A Problem With Guns (Long... but SOOOO good)--

Shooting More Holes in Gun Control

HCI Aussie Style (read it and weep-or laugh)

The Great Australian Gun Law CON!

Gun Crimes Surge in London

Through the Looking Glass and Back Again - From Anti-gunner to Firearms Instructor in Four Months


Swiss Gun Laws- and some rebuttal to HCI "spin"-- Thread II

Statistical Facts Gun-haters Run From


Most everything I could find on the AWB is here:

-Smart Guns / Foolish Legislators--The Assault Weapons Ban May Be Bush's Undoing--

15 posted on 10/03/2004 7:18:07 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: neverdem
We have definitely won this issue for the time being. Let's press our advantage and make sure that politicians understand it very clearly. A vote for gun control means unemployment for a politician. No two ways about it. Politicians can stand up for their anti-gun principals and then move on to the private sector because they will not be reelected.

Speaking of which, I'd like to see a little more focus on Kerry's record on gun control. We've been so fixated on Iraq and Vietnam that this has slid under the radar.

16 posted on 10/03/2004 7:18:38 AM PDT by Batrachian
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To: Batrachian

No, it hasn't. :) Check out the NRA's website. They have a very nice ad about Senator Kerry's voting record on gun control.


17 posted on 10/03/2004 7:38:31 AM PDT by TwoWolves (The only kind of control the liberals don't want is self control.)
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To: xm177e2

For the same reason HCI isn't the "harridan lobby." For the same reason NOW isn't the "hairy lobby."

Because half the press corps has a membership card, and the other half is far too liberal to join 'mainstream' groups like those.


18 posted on 10/03/2004 7:42:32 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Morgan's Raider
Speculation. More likely the presence of Ritalin, Luvox, and other psychotropic drugs in the bloodstream significantly increases the chance of any adolescent committing suicide more than any availabillity of firearms in the home.

We've had guns in homes in the US since the earliest colonies. We've had troubled teens since the dawn of time. Yet it seems like it's only been around the last 20 years that we've had problems with mass school killings. Coincidently, it's been in the last 20 years that we've been heavily drugging kids

19 posted on 10/03/2004 7:48:07 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

I personally do not own a gun, but many in my family are hunters. Sadly to say my aunt's only son was killed during a hunting ACCIDENT. It is not the guns, it is the people using them. Until all the messed up minds are dealt with there will be messed up people with guns, poisons, wmds, etc. trying to hurt other people. FIX THE PEOPLE TO FIX THE PROBLEM!!


20 posted on 10/03/2004 7:49:13 AM PDT by lotex
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