likely or registered voters?
If one debate can cause an 8%-10% swing in voters, then there is no hope for this country. People are too dumbed down to see reality any longer.
There goes the Bush landslide.
This is really odd. I still have a hard time believing that bush lost 6-8 points in a single night over the debate.
remember also people it is over a weekend. we do terrible over the weekends.. but still, yes, this is troubling.
this seems hinky
before there were about 8-10 % undecided, now it's down to only 1%??
Something is odd here.
Likely 49% each
Registered voters, Bush 49%, kerry 47%.
Bush approval rating is at 50% (still at magic number)
Hey guys don't worry...MoveOn.org already proved Gallup is not credibile right?
There is a fickle bunch that will swing with the wind blown from the MSM. The wind will be taken out of their sales soon enough.
Dales suggested not paying attention to these flash polls, that they were noroiously innaccurate. He suggested waiting a week to 10 days.
The Iowa market looks like it's not showing a move (although tradesports has, but Bush still ahead 60/40). Rasmussen hasn't shown a movement.
Bush has released a "Global Test" ad.
Here we go with the chicken littles again
THE SKY IS FALLING
RUN,RUN
Let the hand-wringing begin. I'm sure the DU trolls are loving it. Let's all encourage them.
Sounds about right. Tied race again. Let's see if the swing state polls say the same thing.
this may be for the best - there's no room for complacency now.
John Forbes Kambodia(Kerry) is a cheese-eating surrender monkey!!!
DNC Video of debate BACKFIRES! LA Times Poll Bush's Favorability Up
http://www.ejsmithweb.com/fr/faces_fr_fast.wmv
Watch this DNC video that FReeper smith288 edited to see what an idiot Kerry is! LOL
LA TIMES POLL SUNDAY: Bush's favorability rating among debate viewers actually improved slightly (although within the survey's margin of error). Before debate, 51% of watchers viewed Bush favorably, 49% unfavorably; after, numbers were 52% and 47%...
KERRY VS. KERRY
Kerry’s Top Ten Iraq Flip Flops
From First Debate
http://www.rnc.org/RNCResearch/Read.aspx?ID=4775
ONE: Claimed “I’ll Never Give A Veto To Any Country Over Our Security.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Preemption Must Pass “Global Test” First. “No president, though all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you’re doing what you’re doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Kerry Would Wait On French And Russians To Defend America. SEN. JOHN KERRY: “I would have done what was necessary to know that you had exhausted the available remedies with the French and the Russians.” (MSNBC’s “Hardball,” 10/20/03)
TWO: Claimed “Reason For Going To War Was Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Not The Removal Of Saddam Hussein.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Kerry Said “Greatest Threat” Was Saddam’s “Miscalculation,” Not “Actual” WMDs. KERRY: “I would disagree with John McCain that it’s the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it’s what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that – that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 9/15/02)
THREE: Claimed “This President Has Made, I Regret To Say, A Colossal Error Of Judgment. And Judgment Is What We Look For In The President Of The United States Of America.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Kerry Questioned Judgment Of Those Claiming Saddam’s Capture Didn’t Help U.S. Security. “Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don’t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president.” (CNN’s “Capital Gang,” 12/20/03; Anne Q. Hoy, “Dean Faces More Criticism,” [New York] Newsday, 12/17/03)
FOUR: Complained “We Are 90 Percent Of The Casualties And 90 Percent Of The Cost: $200 Billion – $200 Billion That Could Have Been Used For Health Care, For Schools, For Construction, For Prescription Drugs For Seniors, And It’s In Iraq.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Kerry Pledged To Fund Reconstruction With “Whatever Number” Of Dollars It Took. NBC’S TIM RUSSERT: “Do you believe that we should reduce funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq?” SEN. JOHN KERRY: “No. I think we should increase it.” RUSSERT: “Increase funding?” KERRY: “Yes.” RUSSERT: “By how much?” KERRY: “By whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win. It is critical that the United States of America be successful in Iraq, Tim.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 8/31/03)
FIVE: Claimed “You Don’t Send Troops To War Without The Body Armor That They Need.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Kerry Said It Would Be Reckless And “Irresponsible” To Vote Against Funding For Troops. LOS ANGELES TIMES’ DOYLE McMANUS: “If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?” KERRY: “I don’t think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That’s irresponsible. What is responsible is for the administration to do this properly now. And I am laying out the way in which the administration could unite the American people, could bring other countries to the table, and I think could give the American people a sense that they’re on the right track. There’s a way to do this properly. But I don’t think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We’re not going to cut and run and not do the job.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 9/14/03)
ü Kerry Voted Against Senate Passage Of Iraq/Afghanistan Reconstruction Package That Included “Money For Body Armor For Soldiers.” (S. 1689, CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry Voted Nay; “Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures,” The Associated Press, 10/17/03)
ü ‘“I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It,’ [Kerry] Said.”(Glen Johnson, “Kerry Blasts Bush On Protecting Troops,” The Boston Globe, 3/17/04)
SIX: Said Americans In Iraq Not Dying For “Mistake.” PBS’ JIM LEHRER: “Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake?” KERRY: “No, and they don’t have to, providing we have the leadership that we put – that I’m offering.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Earlier In Debate, Kerry Called Iraq War “Mistake.” “We can’t leave a failed Iraq. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a mistake of judgment to go there and take the focus off of Osama bin Laden. It was.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü “But The President Made A Mistake In Invading Iraq.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
SEVEN: Said Knowing What He Knows Now, “Would Not” Have Authorized Use Of Force. “What I think troubles a lot of people in our country is that the president has just sort of described one kind of mistake. But what he has said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection with al Qaeda, he would still have done everything the same way. Those are his words. Now, I would not.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Said Knowing What He Knows Now, “Would Have Voted For The Authority.” SEN. JOHN KERRY: “Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it’s the right authority for a president to have. But I would have used that authority as I have said throughout this campaign, effectively. I would have done this very differently from the way President Bush has.” (CNN’s “Inside Politics,” 8/9/04)
EIGHT: Claimed “The President Says That I’m Denigrating These Troops. I Have Nothing But Respect For The British, Tony Blair, And For What They’ve Been Willing To Do.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Kerry Dismissed Coalition Partners As “Window Dressing” And Claimed They’re Not Sharing Burden Of War And Reconstruction. CNN’S BILL HEMMER: “The White House would say that dozens of countries are helping now in the effort on the ground in Iraq and they are engaged with the U.N., as well, how would more international involvement prevent the violence we’re seeing today?” SEN. JOHN KERRY: “Well, the fact is that those countries are really window dressing to the greatest degree. And they weren’t there in the beginning when we went in, and they’re not carrying the cost of this war.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 3/2/04)
NINE: Claimed “I’ve Had One Position, One Consistent Position, That Saddam Hussein Was A Threat.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü Kerry Said, “We Now Know That Iraq Had No Weapons Of Mass Destruction, And Posed No Imminent Threat To Our Security.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At New York University, New York, NY, 9/20/04)
TEN: Claimed “My Position Has Been Consistent: Saddam Hussein Is A Threat. He Needed To Be Disarmed.” (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
ü “Saying There Are Weapons Of Mass Destruction In Iraq Doesn’t Make It So.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks To Democrat National Convention, Boston, MA, 7/29/04)
ü “I Have Always Said We May Yet Even Find Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” (Fox News’ “Fox News Sunday,” 12/14/03)
President Bush, whom I admire greatly, was a fool to allow Skerry to get away with all of those lies...
Not a single cent spent on bridges and tunnels?... Bush lied on everything re: Iraq?... No body armor, the troops need to get stuff on the internet (never mind the fact that Skerry voted AGAINST that bill)?... On and on.
That was the point we can all point to as the turning point, if Skerry wins...
Now Bush goes on the campaign trail and blasts Skerry... He's speaking to the choir... Where the hell was he the previous night
For those of you that think he was tired, etc, spare me... He and Cheney have allowed the Dems to spew their lies UNCHALLENGED for almost 2 years... No wonder so many Americans hate them, these lies have been cemented as truth to many Americans, absent a challenge to them
Don't believe me? Tell me where the President or Cheney have challenged Kennedy's rants (Lie after lie, concocted in Texas, etc)...
What a missed opportunity. What a disgraceful debate performance.
I'm not pooh-poohing bad news, but some of you all have to face REALITY, and that doesn't mean always sayuing "Bush is doomed!" Look at the trends, the states. This is a statistical tie right after Kerry's mega-huge-giganto win. And it's a tie in the national popularity contest, not state by state polling. Wait, just wait, and stop whining.
The reality, everyone, is that just because Bush was ahead did for a few moments did not mean that the electorate had somehow become more enlightened. We see how impressionable roughly 10-15% of the population is. They don't know very much and they pick up whatever "buzz" happens to be circulating through the media and thereby the society. It is a scary thought: media buzz will swing this election. The media is currently working up a frenzy over the Kerry "victory" and Bush's "smirk." It's very sad that this could swing an election. But, of course, if you ever start thinking the American people are enlightened, go out and look at everyone!
I'm not surprised.
I was at work and had to read the transcript of the debate. I though President Bush won hands down. Then, I saw a replay and was embarrased for President Bush. He looked tired and irritated, while Senator Kerry looked polished.
Once the Rebublican party starts talking issues and Kerry's lack of substance in the debate, people will really see why President Bush is the man for the job.
What the Bush campaign really has to do, is learn from the last debate. Kerry can do no better than he did last Thursday. He's all fluff and Bush needs to call him on it.
Hey, didn't we ALL say they were setting Pres. Bush up for a big fall, with the inflated polls? Even if Bush had shown up 100% himself and not exhausted at the debate, this is what was planned. The fact he didn't do as well as expected just adds to it.
I ALWAYS thought Pres. Bush had a 4-5% lead...during the Kerry "surge", the Kerry meltdown, and now during his so-called meltdown. Don't pay attention to polls, or to the media and Dem rhetoric..Keep working and VOTE for Bush.