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Diners Can Take Home Wine, but Only in a Special Doggie Bag
NY Times ^ | 10/6/04 | JAMES BARRON

Posted on 10/7/2004, 5:49:58 PM by ZGuy

The food is cold, the conversation is petering out, and the half-full bottle of Chianti Classico is sitting on the restaurant table like an admonition against overindulgence. It is nearly impossible to finish it. It is also illegal, in New York, to take it home.

Or, at least, it used to be illegal. Lawmakers in Albany may not be able to pass a state budget on time, but they recently dispatched this particular oenophilic dilemma with an amendment to the state liquor law that, for the first time, legalized taking leftover wine home from a restaurant.

The old rule against taking wine home meshed with the state's prohibition on open containers of alcohol in the street, a safeguard against public drunkenness and disorder. Restaurant owners have long dreamed of a change, figuring they could sell more wine if customers knew they could continue drinking it at home.

The Legislature agreed, but with a catch: The restaurant must "securely reseal" the bottle and place it in a tamper-proof, transparent bag.

Also, customers must leave the restaurant with more than the wine - specifically, a receipt they can show to inquiring police officers who might otherwise be suspicious of a semi-consumed bottle in a car. And the receipt must show that the customer ate a meal with the wine that is no longer in the bottle (but presumably is in the customer).

"I think it's great," said the restaurateur Drew Nieporent. "A majority of people want to try more than one wine, but if they're driving and want to be responsible, they'll realize they have to leave considerable amounts in the bottle. This is the opportunity to save it and drink it."

Not that many restaurant customers have done so in the almost five weeks since the State Liquor Authority posted word of the change on its Web site (www.abc.state.ny.us/). A check of a dozen Manhattan restaurants - some expensive, some moderately priced; some with world-famous chefs, some not - found only one that admitted to sending customers home with the wine they had not drunk with their meal.

Bernard Sun, the head sommelier at Montrachet, a restaurant Mr. Nieporent controls, said he had not sent any customers home with their leftover wine because he had not figured out the regulations.

"We're still waiting for all the details," he said. "I did research. It's complicated. It's not as simple as just putting the cork back."

Far from it. The State Liquor Authority's two-page bulletin spelled out the particulars and the penalties. It said that wine may be removed only from "a bona fide restaurant" with "suitable kitchen facilities connected therewith, containing conveniences for cooking an assortment of foods."

The kitchen, the bulletin said, "must, at all times, be in charge of a chef." (This would apparently exclude most taverns.)

The bulletin also explained that a partially consumed bottle of wine may be taken home only if it was "actually purchased in connection with a full-course meal." A full-course meal, the bulletin said, is the kind that is ordinarily eaten with tableware, and is not polished off "while standing or walking."

And then there is the bag requirement. The resealed bottle must be placed "in a onetime-use tamper-proof transparent bag," the bulletin said.

That left Mr. Sun, of Montrachet, looking for bags that would pass muster. "They," he said, referring to officials from the liquor authority, "haven't said where we can get them."

"I think restaurants will do this as soon as some company says, 'We sell one-time-use tamper-proof bags,' " Mr. Sun said. "Also, I don't know how much it's going to cost. If it's five bucks or something, we may have to talk to the customer."

The one restaurant that said it had already taken advantage of the new take-home rules was Alfredo of Rome, at 4 West 49th Street, near Fifth Avenue. An owner, Russell Bellanca, said "a couple of people" had heard about the change in the rules and had taken their wine with them. He said he expected the new regulations to prove most popular with customers who order red wines - "I think people feel the reds will keep," he said.

"There's no downside to this," he added. "Someone who probably would have had two glasses of wine now can order a bottle. Someone who was going to have one glass can order a bottle. And people will be less out to finish a bottle. They'll say, 'Let's finish it at home.' "


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I don't even drink wine, but it seemed like this article would be of interest to some.
1 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:49:58 PM by ZGuy
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To: NYC GOP Chick

"makes sense to me" NY ping


2 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:51:15 PM by freedumb2003 (Please quote me. I am an Unimpeachable Source.)
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To: ZGuy

Interesting. WA should consider a similar exception. It's illegal here to take it with you.


3 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:51:40 PM by conservative cat
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To: ZGuy

LOL! I have often teased about taking the wine home in a doggie bag! It is very funny that this takes precedence over a state budget and that there is a laundry list of rules for compliance.


4 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:52:47 PM by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: ZGuy

I drink wine and, if you spend a lot on a bottle at a restuarant, it's nice to know that you can take it home.

But I've been doing that for years. I don't know if it's legal in the places I've done it, but I don't really care and I think the New York rules and just silly.


5 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:53:51 PM by tje
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To: ZGuy

The bag problem shouldn't be too hard, they just need to seal it like the merchant bank deposit bags, those are plastic (but not see through) and when you seal them, you have to destroy it to open it again.


6 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:54:16 PM by BreitbartSentMe (Now EX-Democrat!)
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To: ZGuy
I think Colorado has a similar law. At least this past August when we were in Estes Park the waitress said that there was a new law allowing us to take an unfinished bottle home.

We thought it was a good idea but went ahead and drank the whole thing anyway =).
7 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:55:15 PM by Even Keel
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To: saveliberty
Really... I'd probably just opt for taking it home in my stomach...
8 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:55:51 PM by vrwinger (Tagline? I don't need no stinkin' TAGLINE!)
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To: ZGuy
The resealed bottle must be placed "in a onetime-use tamper-proof transparent bag," the bulletin said.

Will this be as hard to open as tamper-proof prescription bottles? If so, will they come back and make an adjustment when old folks can't reopen the bag?

9 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:56:08 PM by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: ZGuy
customers must leave the restaurant with more than the wine - specifically, a receipt they can show to inquiring police officers who might otherwise be suspicious of a semi-consumed bottle in a car. And the receipt must show that the customer ate a meal with the wine that is no longer in the bottle

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10 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:57:41 PM by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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Yes, but those bags would leak... Leak-proof, sealable-once, tamper-proof bags would be harder to come by...
11 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:57:51 PM by vrwinger (Tagline? I don't need no stinkin' TAGLINE!)
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To: Bush_Democrat
"The Legislature agreed, but with a catch: The restaurant must "securely reseal" the bottle and place it in a tamper-proof, transparent bag. ".

A cork can securely reseal a bottle and then all they have to do is put it in some sort of tamper-proof, transparent bag. The tamper proof thing intrigues me though.

12 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:58:44 PM by Even Keel
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To: conservative cat
Interesting. WA should consider a similar exception. It's illegal here to take it with you.

No, I believe that in WA you can take a resealed bottle home with you; just has to be in the trunk or inaccessible to the driver.

13 posted on 10/7/2004, 5:59:38 PM by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: ZGuy
...they'll realize they have to leave considerable amounts in the bottle.

...which makes for some very happy bus boys and wait staff.

14 posted on 10/7/2004, 6:02:47 PM by Recovering Hermit
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To: vrwinger
"Yes, but those bags would leak... Leak-proof, sealable-once, tamper-proof bags would be harder to come by..."

It would probably be pretty easy.

Think of the US Mail bags you can use to send larger mail items (bag not a box). It is not a clear plastic bag but it seals with an adheasive and you have to open it by unzipping the dotted line.

If a cork was not enough for the bottle there are cheap wine bottle sealers that would do a better job of it.

15 posted on 10/7/2004, 6:03:00 PM by Even Keel
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To: ZGuy

Normal people just put the cork back and carry it out anyway.


16 posted on 10/7/2004, 6:06:17 PM by nina0113
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To: ZGuy
I worked my way thru school as a waiter and bartender in fine restaraunts. Without the leftover bottles of wine, I'd have been deprived of enjoying my dinner at midnight. My favorites were Veal Oscar with a leftover bottle of Poully Fusse', Prime Rib with any good Beaujalais, Flounder Florentine with Muscadet, Pork Tenderloin with Gerwertztraminer, and a New York Strip Au Piorve served with a Gundlach Bundshu Burgundy.

The left over wine is a tip which is greatly appreciated and serves to educate the pallet of the waiter. You'd be surprized how clueless many people are about matching wines to meals. There are some salmon/wine combinations which run afoul in the mouth you wouldn't believe. Liver pate' and Filet Mignion are a challenge too. The liver is tough to compliment without some wierd chemicals becoming reactionary and the Filet Mignion is so flavorless, it's best to cook it rare and drown it in some sauce that's more compatable with a good wine.

17 posted on 10/7/2004, 6:08:21 PM by blackdog (I survived John Dupont's wrestling camp and all I got was a lousy tee shirt and a prolapse.)
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To: Even Keel
My bad... I was envisioning the wine poured into a bag for take-out... You're right, of course... All you really need is a way to seal the re-corked bottle so it can't be re-opened (without it being apparent), or the bottle needs to be kept out of the passenger area of the vehicle (trunk, etc.)
18 posted on 10/7/2004, 6:11:20 PM by vrwinger (Tagline? I don't need no stinkin' TAGLINE!)
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To: ZGuy
They started doing this in France last year or so and wine sales in restraunts there skyrocketed as a result.

Is a good idea.

19 posted on 10/7/2004, 6:13:26 PM by ContemptofCourt
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