Posted on 10/07/2004 7:41:44 PM PDT by JSteff
I believe the voting an voter registration frauds attempts are deliberate and we will see more.. The I believe the voting an voter registration frauds attempts are deliberate and we will see more.. The Democrats are doing it knowing they have a great chance of getting away with it. I think they are actually HOPING some fraud attempts are uncovered because it works for them... Heck this is at least 4 years in the making... what we can expect to be found is a tip of the iceberg. They have been working at it and are far ahead of the voter registration folks and the Republicans. In fact I believe they have a number of fraud attempts they EXPECT to be detected.
Heck this is at least 4 years in the making... what we can expect to be found is the tip of the iceberg. They have been working at it and are far ahead of the voter registration folks and the Republicans. In fact I believe they have not just a hope but they EXPECT to have a large number to be detected. This diverts the election registration folks and Republicans who can "feel good" about the fraud they were able to uncover and “prevent”. The uncovered fraud attempts though are only hiding the scale of how pervasive this is.
I think this election will make most banana republics look like the continental congress. Be ready for it, the signs are all there. All the recent detections are just the ones that got coverage. Most of us haven't read about all the "fraudulent registrations" and other irregularities that have been uncovered lately all over the country. It has seemingly been a couple a day for the last week or two. That is why the poll results and the debates really do not matter to the ‘rats. It is okay if they do okay in the polls or debates but it is no where near as critical as what I think we will find they have been setting up for the last 4 years.
As far as voting fraud attempts go the ‘rats do not care if some are uncovered, maybe not even if a bunch are uncovered as it may still work to their advantage. I am sure there is so much fraud in place right now it could never be uncovered in a few weeks or months time.. Here is what I see happening. There is more than enough evidence they think they win either way. If at the time of the vote fraudulent votes are discovered, whether thousands or hundreds of thousands, this will cause one of several possibilities to happen.
1] On election night if Kerry at first look is the winner and if some fraud is uncovered (which it probably will be) the very fact that Republicans will probably call for an investigation (because of the proliferation they found so far) the ‘rats will say it is an attempt like in 2000 to overturn the "will of the people". The 'Rats with the aid of the MSM! will demonize the Republicans immediately and for years. Throughout the whole thing the Dems will actually attempt to get it into a court and more than likely they might succeed. See they feel safe with it going to the lower courts who have been their friends for so long with so many issues. When/if it goes to the SCOTUS they declare that court as being prejudiced (and a Republican controlled farce) Once again the MSM is critical here. Even if eventually Kerry is the real winner they don't care about all this because serves for their side when Kerry nominates the replacements for the 3 or 4 SCOTUS justices expected to retire during the 8 years after the election.
2] If there was massive voter fraud that is detected and Bush was really the winner then a series of chances for the 'rats occur. First if the election is investigated and a large chunk of the fraud is uncovered and Bush is declared the winner (after 5 months or so of investigation) they will still call it an attempt to over turn the "will of the people". They (with the aid of the MSM!) demonize the Republicans for years.. they are still trying from the last election. Once again I am sure it will end up at SCOTUS and that will help them with their case for preventing conservative judges during the next 4 years under Bush.
Now in the second scenario here is how it could be much worse and again they don't care because they will use that too. The other thing that could happen (even if Bush is the real winner) is that because of the massive scale of the voter fraud the election could be declared null and a NEW E;LECTION is called for or worse a COURT ORDERS IT. Again the 'rats see this as an acceptable outcome. Just more time to commit more fraud and use the MSM and their own shrill voices to demonize the right and right "leaning" SCOTUS. If a new election is not called for and Bush is the still the winner... they see that as a victor. If a new election is not ordered and just a recount... they get to play the same game of “which block of Republican voters do we exclude—just like in Florida” a drill well practiced. MSM helps here too.
If it is a case of a new election being called this leaves another possibility that after the second election of 2004 is called the Dems will declare the whole process tainted and trouble starts. Possibly rioting and worse. The MSM will of course keep up the pressure with their own unique perspective and biased opinion. Soon many in the public will be so worn out of the "hatred" and 'evil" of politics and now the Democrats' get the populace to join their cry to "just let the will of the people prevail". It will be loud, nasty, and possibly violent. Like nothing we have seen. Doubt this scenario? Dan Rather and CBS have still NOT admitted the used FORGERIES to try to influence the will of the public. They used a bunch of different words and phrases but no apologies for forgeries. They still think they were dealing with the substance of the issue... Bush’s poor record in the national guard... even though that has been shown to NOT be the truth. What do you think they would do in an election scenario like one I have presented?
What are we seeing now about the voter fraud that is being caught in the registration process? Is there a cry from the MSM to get ot the bottom of this? Is there teams of invetigative reporters looking into the intimidation of Republican campaign workers? Did they closely examine all the “disenfranchised military members and families from the last election?
Possibly (worst case) Bush being a patriot and a good man finally concedes (for the good of the Union) or agrees to "terms" for Kerry to concede or voters just don't bother to vote. Either way the Democrats see this as a win.... they are better at playing the PR/MSM/Public Opinion game and that will be critical at a stage like a do-over election call. They will say that the whole thing is so wrapped with fraud and the conflict which ensues is again just fine to them.
You see the very complication of all of it will work in their favor. They know most of the general public can't pay attention to more than a sound bite. If a news anchor can't explain it in 30 seconds most will not follow the story. That is except for the die hard Right wingers on the Internet. Those can then be even further demonized. You see they really feel they will win it either way even if their fraud is detected.
I hope I am not right but the number of recent discoveries points to fraud almost beyond what “we” can believe but far beyond what the average person can believe... and so won't. Remember the one call the ‘rats have made since the last election. "Never again."
This might mean to regular people “never a close election again”. To them I am sure that it really means never again will they do it on a small scale. They meant never fraud on such a small scale ever again. IF they want a sure win they need to commit enough fraud to win or completely muck things up giving them a chance to win. No matter what the see the chance here to try to get the election and to try to destroy the Republican party as a side bonus..
So I think the fraud will be UNBELIEVABLE. They think they (with the help of the MSM) can win a PR battle either way. If Kerry is the real winner they win.. the investigations and civil uncertainty were the Rights fault. If Bush is the real winner they hope it can even then be made out that he stole the election again. If Bush is the real winner but the massiveness of the fraud enables them to get a new election called they still win.
They want the press involved, they want the courts involved, they feel those are their "home fields" anyway. They have been preparing for it. Expect to even see fraudulent Republican votes or voter registrations done by them to really throw things off...... these will mostly be found to have been NOT done by Republicans. But again they don't care, the first call of "fraud" and "Republicans" together is all they want.
Sadly I believe this seems to possibly explain the extensive numbers of fraud attempts being uncovered and why we will see more uncovered... and will miss many more. Kerry's latest statements over the last week about not wanting "to let 1 million votes go uncounted" and "no voter should be disenfranchised” are all part of this. Sure does look like they are setting up for the fraud to come and already trying to put it on the Republicans. The MSM is already helping by covering Kerry and Edwards’s statement of disenfranchisement and voters left behind.
They see any or part of what I have suggested as a win. What have they got to lose? Ever here of a big name presidential or congressional candidate getting investigated or charged with vote fraud?
Disturbing, and Klintonian too.
So .. this is a game .. a game of stiring up trouble just to try and TAINT THE VOTE. Interesting? I actually thought they wanted to win .. amazing?
hmm, "more than likely succeed ..." the courts will be the only place for this confrontation to occur. ok, so thats what they want. ok what do you want? them to lose or win in the courts? regardless, it will take time. so if the win goes to bush, then the outcome will be in doubt until the court decides, much like '00. if the court decides there was no fraud, then what do you have? the only way to decide this is personal action -- forget the courts, get out to the polling places and watch suspicious characters, have someone in the parking lot waiting to follow them to the "next polling place". show the fraud NOW, and confront them NOW. next, if bush is really the winner, how do you "really" know? unless the partisan media is allowed to perpetuate the "fraud", it wont matter. so dont let the partisan media matter. be VOCAL locally. it starts locally and goes globally. we have already exposed the great rather as a demoncat, so lets get the rest of the roaches into the light. forget the black helicopter stuff, the fix starts with YOU. watch the polling places - detect the fraud while its happening. show them up and destroy them like the rats they are. our future is in the balance.
I share a lot of your "doom and gloom" scenario. I think that there are people who are doing all they can to cheat in this election. I don't think they are the organized Dem party, but they are the Soros related orgs.
I do acknowledge that Dems have been cheating for years (like how else do you get 125% of the voters to turn out in inner cities?) But Soros is looking for much more.
Bush has to get 270 electoral votes by a wide margin. The Dems can cheat in all of the other states. I'm nervous.
I do think that the "hanging chad" problem from 2000 was the Dems alone. But I think the 2004 registration problem is more Soros than Dems. Not that the Dems mind, of course.
You may be right. After Gore successfully pulled off an attempted coup and got away with it, our elections will never be the same. Rats have a free pass to break the law.
It's dangerous to tamper with history. Remember what happened to the last Democrat who won the Presidency through fraud. Fate demands revenge when it's designs are altered by puny mortals.
But which is history? The fraud or Bush winning?
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