Where the hell is Andrew Sullivan?

[freakboy]

I don't see how not allowing gays to marry each other is discrimination. I'm a heterosexual male. I can't marry a man either. Where is the discrimination? A gay man has all the rights that I do. He can marry a woman just like I can.

[jwalsh07]

The question posed to Kerry was on homosexual marriage. He inserted Mary Cheney into the debate. One has nothing to do with the other. Perhaps you're catching on but my vote is for obtuse.

Inclusiveness is not an issue in the campaign however, homosexual marriage is. Now tell me where Bush can move votes by being inclusive and embracing homosexual marriage. Or not.

[Banagor]

Sullivan has a point, but it's a very bad point.

The better point is that Kerry really had no right to start discussing the private life of Cheney's daughter. It's not his effing business. If he wanted to take it up with her, that's another matter. But I'm pretty sure that we would have all heard about that sort of bargain.

Bush didn't come out and bash Kerry for being richer than him because of Heinz's money. That's because there is no call for it. He didn't come out and say something like "Well, Kerry can be for all the tax hikes that he wants to be for because he's got a billion dollars in the bank, so what's the difference to him or his wife?"

He could have, but he didn't. The reason: he's better than Kerry.

Maybe Bush doesn't talk about Gay people because he respects their privacy.

I'd love to see Cheney's daughter come out tomorrow blasting Kerry for using her as a stage prop without her permission. This is really necessary. It's none of his damned business. If he wanted to talk about gay marriage, he could have discussed it in an entirely different way. Everyone knows that he didn't HAVE to mention her at all. So why did he do it?

Only a MORON would think that it wasn't for political points. And using people for politics without their consent is absolutely wrong.

[BigSkyFreeper]

I don't see how not allowing gays to marry each other is discrimination. I'm a heterosexual male. I can't marry a man either. Where is the discrimination? A gay man has all the rights that I do. He can marry a woman just like I can.

Ding, ding, ding! I think we have a winner.

[BigSkyFreeper]

The better point is that Kerry really had no right to start discussing the private life of Cheney's daughter.

Kerry didn't even answer the damn question, period.

[syriacus]

I agree she is already out, but Mary Cheney doesn't define herself as an out lesbian,

I agree. I, like you, conceded she is out, so that I could get through that issued to the underlying issue that is

Kerry proved he is a nasty, predatory human being.

He feels his aspirations are more important than a fellow human's right to speak for herself.

He might as well have been Edwards channeling an unborn baby girl.

Democrats do not have the right to assume they can speak for us without asking our permission.

[dubyain04jebin08and12]

My guess -- he's barebacking some crossdresser he met online.

[syriacus]

And using people for politics without their consent is absolutely wrong.

We saw the predatory, dark side of Kerry last night.

That was the same side of Kerry that said the South Vietnamese didn't care that much about being free...they just wanted peace so they could plant their fields.

[lugsoul]

While I don't necessarily agree with the tactic, the "defense" to your charge is that this is an age-old tactic - try to argue the other side's hypocrisy by noting that their political actions are at odds with how they pursue their own interests or perceive their own situations. The intent of the claim is to say that the Admin wants to use the amendment to flog gays and incite the base, but at home they (at least the VP) are as understanding and welcoming of gays as the Dems say the gov't ought to be. At its extreme, the tactic is to show that the Admin position is even out of step with the VP's own personal feelings on the issue.

It is the same, tactically, as trying to say the Kerry is out of step with Moynihan on SS.

What, you don't remember Newt's sister?

[Uncle Vlad]

You're right; he didn't "out" Mary Cheney, but it was a clear attempt to pander to his base and be spiteful all at once. It backfired, to use a now-famous Dick Cheney term, BIG TIME!"

You live by the pander, you die by the pander. And somewhere, Trent Lott is laughing!

[zook]

Sullivan votes first with his jones then rationalizes all his other positions based on that. That's why he began the year as a hawk and ends it as a wuss.

[mabelkitty]

This was a deliberate attack disguised as compassion.
He could easily have invoked James McGreevey's or Barney Frank's name - two out a public Democratic homosexuals, but he deliberately refrained from mentioning McGreevey at all - even when describing "gay man married to a supportive woman".

MENTIONING A DEM POL WHO PAYS HIS BOYFRIEND WITH PUBLIC NATIONAL SECURITY FUNDS? BAD; MENTIONING THE DAUGHTER OF A POLITICIAN FROM THE OTHER PARTY? GOOD.

[mabelkitty]

Um, not she isn't. How about we talk about sexually trasnmitted diseases and bring up Kerry's single, trampy daughter? Is that fair game? It is health care related.

This was a deliberate attack disguised as compassion.
He could easily have invoked James McGreevey's or Barney Frank's name - two out a public Democratic homosexuals, but he deliberately refrained from mentioning McGreevey at all - even when describing "gay man married to a supportive woman".

MENTIONING A DEM POL WHO PAYS HIS BOYFRIEND WITH PUBLIC NATIONAL SECURITY FUNDS? BAD; MENTIONING THE DAUGHTER OF A POLITICIAN FROM THE OTHER PARTY? GOOD.

[suekas]

The Problem was:
1) Bringing up her name at all; it didn't really fit with the question.
2) Using the term "lesbian", instead of "gay". For some reason, right or wrong, it has a different connotation, than Gay.

[cyncooper]

Not only do I remember Newt's sister, I believe she chose to speak for herself. Mary Cheney is campaigning for her father---that would be Dick Cheney of the Bush/Cheney team---and can speak for herself, as well.

John Kerry had no right to speak for her, which is how he phrased it.

[Cultural Jihad]

I'd have no problem with Bush bringing up Vanessa Kerry...she works for Kerry's campaign.

So in other words, since Vanessa works for Kerry's campaign you'd have no problem is President Bush brought up her gluttony, her sloth, her addictions to gambling, pornography, and alcohol.

[cyncooper]

For four years, this president has tried to make gay people invisible,

Andrew has become a complete jerk on this issue. He is blind. If "this president" tried to make "gay people" invisible Mary Cheney would not be working on her father's campaign.

What an opportunist and insensitive lout Sullivan has become.

[cyncooper]

Ah yes, Kerry informing the Senate back when that the peasants were happy just working in their rice paddies.

What an arrogant you-know-what.