Posted on 10/13/2004 9:50:49 PM PDT by watsonfellow
google it before calling me misinformed. Anybody who gets into the "gay relations" business is asking for people to talk about her "gayness" (if that's the right word for lesbians). Sorry, but I think the whole "gay-relations" "gay community" fixation is a sign of our slide toward degeneracy. I'm not impressed that Mary Cheney is part of it. It doesn't make me a leftist or an apologist for leftists to say that. Also, I saw a clip the other night of Cheney, at a campaign function some time back, BRINGING UP the fact his daughter's gay, as somehow relevant to the issue of gay rights or some other nonsense "gay" issue. Sorry if I'm not supposed to give my views on this subject because the Cheneys are Republicans, but this is another issue on which I guess I'll have to take your flames because I'm not PC by your standards.
4/3/2004
Publisher cancels reissue of racy novel by Lynne Cheney
NEW YORK (AP) — A publisher has canceled plans to reissue a racy novel by Lynne Cheney, wife of Vice President Dick Cheney, after she said the book did not represent her "best work." New American Library, an imprint of Penguin Group (USA), was going to reprint Sisters, a historical romance published in 1981 that includes brothels, attempted rapes and a lesbian love affair. ...
Her novel was the subject of a recent satirical performance at the New York Theatre Workshop, with actors reading such passages as, "Let us go away together, away from the anger and imperatives of men. There will be only the two of us, and we shall linger through long afternoons of sweet retirement. In the evenings I shall read to you while you work your cross-stitch in the firelight. And then we shall go to bed, our bed, my dearest girl." Sisters has long been out of print and is not mentioned in Cheney's biography on the White House Web site. In 2001, she told a New York Times reporter that she couldn't even remember the plot.
Cheney has mentioned his gay daughter exactly ONCE and he did not bring it up; he was asked a question and he responded.
And if you are a conservative, I am the Pope.
I think everyone on Free Republic is well aware of what you are so there is no need for me to expound.
From this week's Time magazine online: (http://www.time.com/time/election2004/article/0,18471,725139,00.html):
"""Though Cheney and his wife denounced Kerry for his comment, the Vice President had earlier put his daughter's sexuality squarely in the public arena. When asked in August about gay marriage, Cheney said, 'Lynne and I have a gay daughter,' before going on to note that it was the President — who supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage — who sets policy."
GOOGLE IS A WONDERFUL THING. PLEASE USE IT - OR SOME OTHER INFORMATION-GATHERING TOOL - BEFORE DENOUNCING SOMEONE AS UNINFORMED! And have a nice day -- Your Holiness!
You are still here, smearing this good family?
It's a disgrace that the Neville Chamberlain of FR is permitted to do this. An absolute disgrace.
What have I done that's a "disgrace"? I quoted Cheney, his own words; why is that disgraceful? Anyway, there's no reasoning with somebody who's an insipient totalitarian - - I don't know why I respond to you folks can't stand views that aren't in absolute lockstep with your own. You and Joe Stalin would get on well. Have a nice day! I'll stop wasting my time - and yours - by answering (or reading) your intolerant flames, so you might want to redirect your energies, but if you want to keep flaming, it's no skin off my back, I won't be paying no never mind.
consult your dictionary. Quoting a man is not "smearing" him. A smear is what you do - when you accuse me of vile things for merely quoting - exactly, without any elipses - something Cheney himself said.
When you can't answer questions or defend yourself you get so metrosexually girlie. It's cute.
You know full well he said that in response to a question; I'm sure you would have preferred he didn't mention her at all.
Live with it.
Sullivan did speak about this. He didn't care because Cheney was already out.
Somebody sure is intimidated by gays, aren't they?
And Neocons. And the military. It's a long list. LOL
You're to the left of Ed Koch. LOL
And nearly everything you've posted about this matter is incorrect.
Disgraceful attempts by John Edwards and John Kerry to exploit for political purposes the sexual orientation of Mary Cheney, daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, ended the possibility of their winning the election.
Adam Nagourney of The New York Times, summed up the feelings of many, when he wrote, “Amid signs of Democratic concern, Mr. Kerry’s advisers acknowledged Sunday that some voters perceived Mr. Kerry’s remark [that Mary Cheney is a lesbian] as an invasion of Ms. Cheney’s privacy, a gratuitous personal insult, or a crass political calculation by which Mr. Kerry was trying to drive a wedge between Mr. Cheney and conservatives unaware that his daughter was gay.”
Defenders of Kerry and Edwards protest that Mary Cheney was already out and was even publicly described by her father as gay. But that is not the issue.
Kerry and Edwards did the inexcusable: they tried to use the child of an opposing candidate for political purposes. Mary Cheney lives her life with a female partner.
She has displayed a desire to lead that life privately, never granting interviews and remaining as anonymous as she can. She did not accompany her parents to the stage at Madison Square Garden when the Cheney and Bush families accepted the Republican Party’s nomination, while the President’s daughters did.
Edwards’ apologists say that the Vice President thanked him for his comment during the debate.
Let’s see exactly what Edwards said and what Dick Cheney said in response.
Edwards said, “I think the vice president and his wife love their daughter. I think they love her very much. And you can’t have anything but respect for the fact that they’re willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter.”
Cheney’s response: “Well, Gwen [Ifill], let me simply thank the senator for the kind words he said about my family and our daughter. I appreciate that very much.” Gwen Ifill: “That’s it?” Dick Cheney: “That’s it.” Not exactly a happy response.
Cheney said the bare minimum consciously trying to prevent the debate from deteriorating into an angry episode.
During the third Bush-Kerry debate, moderator Bob Schieffer, asked first of President Bush, “Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?”
The President responded, “You know, Bob, I don’t know. I just don’t know.”
Kerry responded, “We’re all God’s children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney’s daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she’s being who she was; she’s being who she was born as. I think you talk to anybody, it’s not a choice.”
After the debate, Lynn Cheney expressed what was clearly her parents’ anger at Kerry for having used their daughter as a case study before millions of strangers.
She said, “I am speaking as a mom -- and a pretty indignant mom. This is not a good man. What a cheap and tawdry political trick.”
Dick Cheney followed with, “You saw a man who will say and do anything in order to get elected. And I am not just speaking as a father here, although I am a pretty angry father.”
Mary’s sister, Liz Cheney, said, “It was a very offensive thing for him to do.”
How would Kerry know what is in Mary Cheney’s mind? Had he ever discussed the subject with her? Doubtful.
Why introduce her into the debate? The comment later by Kerry’s campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, added fuel to the fire by revealing the real purpose of the Kerry-Edwards comments.
Cahill said: “There are a lot of questions here about gay marriage and she is someone who’s a major figure in the campaign. I think it’s fair game.” Cahill's remarks undoubtedly reflect the real attitude of the Kerry campaign.
Mary Cheney’s life is not "fair game" in any sense. Ms. Cheney is trying to lead a private life, particularly as it relates to her sexual orientation.
She does not appear ashamed of her lifestyle, nor are her loving parents ashamed of her, notwithstanding the comments by John Edwards' wife Elizabeth, who said, “It makes me really sad that that's Lynne's response. I think that indicates a certain degree of shame with the respect to her daughter's sexual preferences.”
What an outrage!
What would have happened four years ago if, in Cheney’s first vice presidential debate, he had exclaimed, “Isn’t it wonderful that in our country we have reached the point where a Jew, Senator Joe Lieberman, could be a heartbeat away from the presidency?”
What if Ronald Reagan in the course of his debate with Jimmy Carter had said, “It is just wonderful how Jimmy Carter defends his alcoholic brother Billy from those who criticize his antics?”
What if George W. Bush in debate said, “The best examples of corporate greed are the tax avoidances used by John Kerry’s wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, already one of the richest women in the U.S.; and how wonderful that an ‘African American’ (which she has called herself) could have climbed so high. Only in America.”
None of these remarks nor the shameless use of Mary Cheney for political purposes could pass the Kerry “global test,” which we used to call the “nose test.”
Instead of a forthright apology, he defended his remarks, saying, “I love my daughters. They love their daughter. I was trying to say something positive about the way strong families deal with this issue."
Heretofore I said Bush’s margin of victory would be 8 points. I’m raising it to 10 points. In the hearts and minds of the American voter, character -- and lack thereof -- still count.
Kerry has a *plan*...
http://www.asjewelers.com/FRstuff/7/I_have_a_plan.wmv
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