Sorry, title should be "understand". Sigh. The title doesn't show up on the preview.
ABORTION IS NOT A POLITCAL TOPIC, BUT THE POLITICIANS HAVE MADE IT SO. It is a philosophical issue that should be argued strictly between a mother and her doctor, her spouse, other non-political participant.
POLITICIANS ARE A SAD LOT. They do not know how to keep PERSONAL ISSUES out of politics. If their focus EVER GETS BACK TO RUNNING THIS COUNTRY, INSTEAD OF PERSONAL EMPOWERMENT, these issues will not be discussed in campaigns. They do not belong there.
They fall into two camps: Libertarians (who believe that Government should not make any moral choices) and Radical Femanists who hate everybody...
"But what about me?"
I once saw a church marque sign that said.." conscience is Gods presence in man" I think that says it all.
Cultural Marxism.
Antonio Gramsci (Italian communist) suggested ways to undermine the family unit. Undermining the family unit is one of the communist goals for America:
http://www.glennbeck.com/hots/printcommunistgoals.htm
Also:
Hitler was a socialist. Hitler was pro-abortion, pro homosexual, pro gun control, an environmentalist, anti tobacco, pro euthanasia, pro animal rights.
Sound familiar?
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If you ever debate a liberal, before asking them about abortion, bring up the death penalty.
They will go into "I'm against it because the chance of one innocent person being executed"
You say: "What about abortion? ALL of those individuals ARE INNOCENT!"
Once you decide to be pro-choice...my guess is that you have to turn a lot of psychic energy to the upkeep of that position. If you ever back down from it...that means you've at some point had the instincts of a killer. There's a lot at stake to avoid ever having to admit that.
And I was pro-choice in my youth. I was one of the ones who changed my mind.
We've already had this discussion today: See thread
Can someone explain this logic to me? "I'm pro-life for me and pro-choice for everyone else"
Posted on 10/15/2004 2:00:20 PM PDT by RightMindedMom
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Simple huh?
No political standing for the other being in "their" body.
I don't understand this either. It is heartbreaking to me but in many ways I think this is my reaction as a mother. Children are the most precious thing we have.
1) Your morals are not everyones. So you may believe (believe being the operative word, not having facts to back it up) that life does not begin at conception. Others may not have this belief so you cannot force them to believe the way you do.
2) The planet is over crowded as it is. We cannot support the number of people we have today. Facts do not support this but that was and still is the contention.
3) The world would be better off without people. People are the source of all bad things going on, pollution, killing off species and using the natural resources. Of course I nor my liberal friends that believe this will not be the first in line to end our lives but that is irrelevant.
4) Unwanted children will be abused and grow up in poverty and become criminals. So to stop this cycle it is better to end their lives while they are still not sentient. But don't ask me about the death penalty for those that do commit crimes because I want us to go easy on them.
I'm having trouble coming up with any more right now, and they may not be in order. Take my word for it, I believe NONE of these but did in the distant past. Hope that helps, but probably doesn't.
I'm with you on this one. I can't understand how anyone can kill an innocent baby while it's still in it's mother's womb. It disgusts and horrfies me to no end.
Are you a man or a woman?
I think you need to come to terms with the idea that there will always be a certain number of people who are either so incurious about the larger scope of things (i.e. the existence of God and its implications) or are so good at rationalizations that nothing will get thru to them.
Folks who think of abortion as killing will never understand the pro-choice position, as evidenced by many of the posts. Pro-choice doesn't equal pro-abortion; I don't care for abortion, but I am pro-choice.
Most of the "pro-choice" people with whom I'm acquainted believe that if an abortion is performed after the second trimester it's indeed murder (although they're extremely hesitant to use the "M" word). Abortions peformed before this seemingly arbitrary time are acceptable for some reason, and the reasons given vary. ......Although the "A fetus' nervous system isn't developed until the 6th month, so it's not a person until then" line of "reasoning" seems to be the most common.
The answer is that they're neither intelligent, or decent.
But one rationalisation they'll often use is: "It's only a couple of cells!" - unwilling or unable to understand, I guess, that those cells grow into a human being that will eventually pop out of them. You know what I'd like to do to those people... I'd like to go to them and say: "Here. I'm going to give you $1.00. And I'm going to double it every day for 30 days, at which point you'll have over a billion dollars." Then, a week later, when they have $64.00, I'll tell them I changed my mind, and "abort" their pile of money, explaining that it's only a couple of dollars, so what are the whining about?
Maybe they'd get the point, then -- but I doubt it.
Read my tagline.....MOST abortions are done because the baby is INCONVENIENT to the mother.....OR the boyfriend.
What "nuance" am I missing that these seemingly intelligent people appear to grasp?
In a word? GOD