Posted on 10/20/2004 10:22:22 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
I have a favor to ask, hope somebody can help.
Our riding instructor is a Democrat (ouch) but we're working on it.
She posted a chart on her office door that is obviously an Email from the DNC or some other Dem source. It purports to be a side by side comparison of economic conditions under Clinton and under Bush. It compares such things as unemployment rates, national debt, etc. It purports to cite Bureau of Labor statistics. It is uniformly good for Clinton and bad for Bush.
I KNOW the figures are wrong because the unemployment rate is shown as TWO PERCENT during Clinton's term and that can't be right. Other numbers seem to be grossly out of whack. I don't have a cell phone camera or any way to photocopy the chart.
Does this sound familiar to anybody? I intend to make a stealth post on the other side of her office door rebutting this material, if I can source it.
Thanks for your help. A lot of people come through this barn, and I don't want the obvious errors here to go unrebutted.
However, please don't attempt to debunk the chart on her door with factual information. It will only confuse her.
Print this out to give to her:
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/downloads-pdfs/InternalSenateReportOnKerryPolicyProposals.pdf
You should point out that unemployment during Clinton's 1st term when he was running for reelection was at 5.6% and that unemployment is currently at 5.4%
Did you go to the Bureau of Labor site yourself, and view them? That would be a good way to verify the numbers.
Tell her that Clinton isn't running for President, just in case she's stuck in a time warp.
Ask her this, If Bubba would've taken Bin Laden the 3rd time he was offered to us, would the Twin Towers still be standing, 3000 people still be alive, and does it matter to her. If NO, slap her and withdraw from the class.. She's too stupid to teach anyone anything. If Yes, tell her to take the frikken sign down, or you'll cancel your class and encourage others to do the same.
Liberals love a genocide, but now their murder party is over.
bump!
Thank you for such a concise, comprehensive tabulation.
I know I can sure use it on a few relatives.
http://www.citizensunited.org/images/citizens_FINAL_061604.mov
Citizens United Launches New Anti-Clinton Ad Campaign
to Air during 60 Minutes Interview
http://www.citizensunited.org/
Amidst the hype surrounding the release of former President Clintons new book, My Life, Citizens United sets the record straight by exposing the real legacy President Bill Clinton left for America.
The former President will be publicizing his new memoir during his first televised interview to CBS 60 Minutes on Sunday, June 20, 2004.
The Citizens United ad, which was to debut during the interview, shows multiple images of terrorist attacks throughout Clintons presidency that he failed to respond to, including: the World Trade Center bombings in 1993, the Khobar Towers bombing in 1996 the dual embassy bombings in East Africa in 1998, and the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in 2000.
President Clinton gutted defense and intelligence spending and was MIA for eight years while terrorists continuously attacked the United States. Consequently, President Bush inherited a decayed intelligence apparatus and a terrorist network, already living among Americans, that was planning the largest attack ever on U.S. soil.
Citizens United believes America needs a strong leader in the War on Terror, and President Bush has proved that his steadfast and principled leadership is crucial to defeat our enemies for this generation and generations to come.
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Read the script
Clinton Spent More Time with Lewinsky than Tenet
April 14, 2004
At the top of the program, I wondered, "I'll bet if you look at the records, they'll show that Bill Clinton spent more time with Monica Lewinsky than he did the CIA director. I will bet you that that can be established. If he met with Tenet twice, and that's the story, if he met with Tenet personally twice during Tenet's career as CIA director when Clinton served, then it's easily ascertainable that he met with Lewinsky much more than that."
Well, a few minutes later I got a flash e-mail from our old buddy Carl Limbacher at Newsmax: "Dear Rush: Responding to your on-air query about the CIA or Lewinsky, who had more access to Clinton, the very day that Sudanese officials were in Washington trying to hand off Osama bin Laden to the Clinton CIA, Clinton himself was meeting with Monica Lewinsky in the White House. In his book 'Losing Bin Laden', Richard Miniter reports that on March 10th, 1996, Sudanese defense minister Elfatih Erwa, traveled to Washington to meet with CIA officials to discuss turning over bin Laden. Where should we send him, Irwah asked the unnamed CIA representative. However, Bill Clinton wasn't on hand to broker the deal for bin Laden's arrest. The Starr report shows that on the same day, March 10th, Clinton was meeting with Monica Lewinsky and one of her friends in the White House."
From the Starr report: "On March 10, 1996, Ms. Lewinsky took a visiting friend, Natalie Ungvari, to the White House. They bumped into the President, who said to Ms. Ungvari when Ms. Lewinsky introduced them: 'You must be her friend from California.' Ms. Ungvari was 'shocked' that the President knew where she was from."
Since their relationship was technically on hiatus at the time, Clinton and Lewinsky didn't have sex that day, but the ice was thawing. On March 29th, 1996, Bill and Monica resumed their physical relationship. Meanwhile, Osama bin Laden was making preparations to leave Sudan for Afghanistan. So it's a relevant question, my friends.
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Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Saturday, April 3, 2004 12:33 p.m. EST
Bin Laden Arrest Offer Spurned as Clinton Met Lewinsky
http://www.newsmax.com/cgi-bin/printer_friendly.pl?page=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/3/123551.shtml
At least two offers from the government of Sudan to arrest Osama bin Laden and turn him over to the U.S. were rebuffed by the Clinton administration in February and March of 1996, a period of time when the former president's attention was distracted by his intensifying relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
One of the offers took place during a secret meeting in Washington, the same day Clinton was meeting with Lewinsky in the White House just miles away.
On Feb. 6, 1996, then-U.S. Ambassador to the Sudan Tim Carney met with Sudanese Foreign Minister Ali Osman Mohammed Taha at Taha's home in the capital city of Khartoum. The meeting took place just a half mile from bin Laden's residence at the time, according to Richard Miniter's book "Losing bin Laden."
During the meeting, Carney reminded the Sudanese official that Washington was increasingly nervous about the presence of bin Laden in Sudan, reports Miniter.
Foreign Minister Taha countered by saying that Sudan was very concerned about its poor relationship with the U.S. Then came the bombshell offer: "If you want bin Laden, we will give you bin Laden," Foreign Minister Taha told Ambassador Carney. Still, with the extraordinarily fortuitous offer on the table, back in Washington President Clinton had other things on his mind.
A timeline of events chronicled in the Starr Report shows that during the period of late January through March 1996, Mr. Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky was then at its most intense.
On Feb. 4, 1996, for instance - two days before Ambassador Carney's key meeting with the Sudanese Foreign Minister, the president was focused not on Osama bin Laden, but instead on the 23-year-old White House intern.
Their rendezvous that day included a sexual encounter followed by a leisurely chat between Clinton and Lewinsky, as the two "sat and talked [afterward] for about 45 minutes," according to the Starr Report.
Later in the afternoon that same day, as Sudanese officials weighed their decision to offer bin Laden to the U.S., Clinton found time to call Lewinsky "[to say] he had enjoyed their time together." If there were any calls from Clinton to the State Department or Khartoum that day, the records have yet to surface in published reports.
The Feb. 4 encounter with Lewinsky followed a period of intense contact detailed in the Starr report in interviews with the former White House intern, including a sexual encounter on Jan. 6, 1996, several sessions of phone sex during the week of Jan. 14 - 21, and another sexual encounter on Jan. 21.
Sudan's offer to the U.S. for bin Laden's extradition remained on the table for at least a month, and was reiterated by Sudanese officials who traveled to Washington as late as March 10, 1996.
On March 3, Sudan's Minister of State for Defense Elfatih Erwa met secretly with Ambassador Carney, another State Department official and the CIA's Africa bureau Director of Operations at an Arlington, Va., hotel, according to Miniter's book.
Erwa was handed a list of issues the U.S. wanted taken care of if relations were to improve. The list included a demand for information on bin Laden's terrorist network inside Sudan.
Erwa replied that he would have to consult with Sudan's President Omar Hassan al-Bashir about the list. When he returned for a March 10, 1996 meeting with the CIA's Africa bureau chief, "Erwa would be empowered to make an extraordinary offer," writes Miniter.
On instructions from its president, the government of Sudan agreed to arrest bin Laden and hand him over to U.S law enforcement at a time and place of the Clinton administration's choosing. "Where should we send him?" Erwa asked the CIA representative.
President Clinton has acknowledged being fully briefed on the Sudanese efforts to turn over the 9/11 mastermind, admitting that he made the final decision to turn the offer down.
"The Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again," Clinton confirmed during a February 2002 speech to a New York business group.
"They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America."
As chronicled in the Starr report, however, Clinton's relationship with Lewinsky proved to be a growing distraction around this time.
Two weeks before the secret meeting between Erwa, Carney and the CIA bureau chief, the president summoned Lewinsky to the White House to inform her that he "no longer felt right" about their relationship and it would have to be suspended until after the election.
Lewinsky explained, however, that Clinton's decision to put their relationship on hold did little to change its basic character, telling Starr's investigators, "There'd continue to be this flirtation when we'd see each other."
The Starr report noted, "In late February or March [1996], the president telephoned her at home and said he was disappointed that, because she had already left the White House for the evening, they could not get together."
The call, Lewinsky said, "sort of implied to me that he was interested in starting up again."
On March 10, 1996, as Sudanese Defense Minister Erwa was making his extraordinary offer for bin Laden's arrest to the CIA's Africa bureau chief, Clinton met with Lewinsky in the White House.
The Starr report:
"On March 10, 1996, Ms. Lewinsky took a visiting friend, Natalie Ungvari, to the White House. They bumped into the president, who said when Ms. Lewinsky introduced them, 'You must be her friend from California.' Ms. Ungvari was 'shocked' that the president knew where she was from."
Though there was no physical contact that day, three weeks later, on March 31, 1996, Clinton resumed his sexual relationship with Lewinsky.
It was around this time, the president later admitted, that he was involved in delicate negotiations to try to persuade Riyadh to take bin Laden, after refusing to accept his extradition to the U.S.
"I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have," Clinton admitted in the 2002 speech. "But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."
On April 7, 1996, Monica Lewinsky was transferred to the Pentagon. Around the same time, the administration's hunt for bin Laden finally seemed to begin in earnest. Just weeks after Clinton spurned Sudan's bin Laden offer, for instance, the CIA created a separate operational unit dedicated to tracking down bin Laden in Sudan.
But it happened too late to capture the 9/11 mastermind. On May 18, 1996, bin Laden boarded a chartered plane in Khartoum with his wives, children, some 150 al-Qaida jihadists and a cache of arms - and flew off to Jalalabad, Afghanistan.
To hear NewsMax.com's exclusive audio recording of ex-President Clinton explaining why he turned the Sudanese offer down, Click Here.
Sweet!
Post #15 for reference!
The unemployment rate is now only 5.4%.
Mark fo Save
Thanks ... This one is going out in an email also!
thanks Howlin.
What an awesome source! Thanks so much.
I'm going to work on a letter to the editor using those facts.
Freepers are the best.
Thanks- that's exactly what I was hoping to show up!
Every topic under the sun is in these fact sheets listed from newest to oldest:
http://www.gop.com/News/NewsList.aspx?ID=16
Just mark the timelines for when the market started down, when the recession began, 9/11 and WHEN BUSH'S FIRST BUDGET WENT INTO EFFECT. Essentially the first year of Bush's presidency was WJC's economy.
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