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Judge: Cuba Detainees Must Have Lawyers
AP ^ | 10/20/2004 | Gina Holland

Posted on 10/20/2004 4:10:53 PM PDT by ezfindit

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that terror suspects held in Cuba must be allowed to meet with lawyers, and that the government cannot monitor their conversations.

In a sharp rebuke of the Bush administration, U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said the administration "attempts to erode this bedrock principle" of attorney-client privacy with "a flimsy assemblage" of arguments.

The Supreme Court ruled in June that the 600 foreign-born men then held in the Navy-run prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, could challenge their captivity in American courts.

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The courts and traitor judges are once again undermining our safety and the war on terror.
1 posted on 10/20/2004 4:10:54 PM PDT by ezfindit
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To: ezfindit

U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly

Who nominated this individual? I need not point out the inherent leftism of people with hypenated names.


2 posted on 10/20/2004 4:11:54 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Am back but just for a short while)
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To: ezfindit

Someone should remind this TRAITOR judge about this little news item from last week:

Pentagon: Ex-Detainees Return to Terror
10/17/2004 (AP)

WASHINGTON - Despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to renounce violence, at least seven former prisoners of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have returned to terrorism, at times with deadly consequences.

At least two are believed to have died in fighting in Afghanistan, and a third was recaptured during a raid of a suspected training camp in Afghanistan, said Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico, a Pentagon spokesman. Others are at large.


3 posted on 10/20/2004 4:12:40 PM PDT by ezfindit (OrthodoxNet.com - Shining the Light of Wisdom and Truth)
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To: ezfindit
Did FDR have the same restriction on enemy combatants? If not, we have precedent.
4 posted on 10/20/2004 4:13:12 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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To: ezfindit
There's another little bump for Bush re-election.
5 posted on 10/20/2004 4:13:33 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: ezfindit

Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly
Judge Kollar-Kotelly was appointed to the United States District Court in May 1997. She received a B.A. in 1965 from The Catholic University of America and a J.D. in 1968 from Columbus School of Law, The Catholic University of America. Following law school, she served as law clerk to Judge Catherine B. Kelly of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. From 1969 to 1972, Judge Kollar-Kotelly was an attorney in the Criminal Division of the U.S. Department of Justice and then served as the chief legal counsel to Saint Elizabeths Hospital until 1984. She was appointed Associate Judge of the D.C. Superior Court in October 1984, and served as Deputy Presiding Judge of the Criminal Division from 1995 until her appointment to the federal bench. Judge Kollar-Kotelly has been a Fellow of the American Bar Association, a founding member of the Thurgood Marshall Inn of Court, an adjunct professor at Georgetown University School of Medicine in a joint teaching program on mental health and the law, and chair of the Board of the Art Trust for Superior Court. Judge Kotelly was appointed by Chief Justice Rehnquist to serve as a member of the Judicial Conference Committee on Financial Disclosure from June 2000 through May 2002, and in May 2002 Chief Justice Rehnquist appointed Judge Kotelly to serve as Presiding Judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court , which is a 7-year appointment.


6 posted on 10/20/2004 4:14:22 PM PDT by leadpencil1 (Hey Kerry, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?)
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To: KantianBurke

Kollar-Kotelly, Colleen

Born 1943 in New York, NY

Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court for the District of Columbia
Nominated by William J. Clinton on January 7, 1997, to a seat vacated by Harold H. Greene; Confirmed by the Senate on March 20, 1997, and received commission on March 26, 1997.

http://air.fjc.gov/servlet/tGetInfo?jid=1307


7 posted on 10/20/2004 4:15:41 PM PDT by demlosers ( ONI: “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”)
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To: ezfindit

Hmmmmmmmm.... Now I wonder who nominated this judge, I wonder, I wonder...


8 posted on 10/20/2004 4:15:59 PM PDT by AmishDude (Nobody reads taglines.)
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To: KantianBurke

Clintoon


9 posted on 10/20/2004 4:17:11 PM PDT by thingumbob (Kerry/Edwards are sKerry/Leftwards)
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To: ezfindit
Heck, give them lawyers. Then a cigarette and a blindfold.

I always thought it was a mistake to bring them to U.S. territory. We should have left them in a facility in Afghanistan under token Afghan control.

10 posted on 10/20/2004 4:17:28 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: KantianBurke

She's a Clintonista who, prior to this tripe, wrote a whole bunch of confusing decisions on election and campaign finance law that had to be fixed by higher courts.


11 posted on 10/20/2004 4:19:03 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: ezfindit

Since when does U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly have jurisdiction over Cuban territory?


12 posted on 10/20/2004 4:19:09 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: CWOJackson

We can always just ship them out there pdq! By the time the libs wake up, these terrorists will be in Iraq or Afghanistan.


13 posted on 10/20/2004 4:19:11 PM PDT by ezfindit (OrthodoxNet.com - Shining the Light of Wisdom and Truth)
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To: CWOJackson

Uh huh. BIG mistake.

We should have shot them down like dogs on the battlefield. I knew once some Federal bench leftist go ahold of this it would be trouble.


14 posted on 10/20/2004 4:19:44 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: ezfindit
"Colleen Kollar-Kotelly"

With a name like that she can only be a leftist.

15 posted on 10/20/2004 4:19:52 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: FreedomCalls

Sorry.... Gauntanamo Bay Naval Base IS US territory.


16 posted on 10/20/2004 4:20:29 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: ezfindit

DANG! I was betting this freakazoid was a female judge! Too much mercy and not enough justice.

Clinton appointee perhaps ?


17 posted on 10/20/2004 4:21:32 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: KantianBurke
"Who nominated this individual?"

She's a Clinton administration appointee. Of course.

18 posted on 10/20/2004 4:21:40 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: ezfindit

Like Kerry, she believes that Islamo-facists terrorist can be taught to work a job and live productive lives.

Right after they collect their virgins :)


19 posted on 10/20/2004 4:21:46 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: ezfindit
Time to move the prisoners to Siberia.

Putin would probably be glad to cooperate and store them in an old Gulag for a moderate fee, and the contract labor there is experienced in interogation.

SO9

20 posted on 10/20/2004 4:21:58 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: dennisw

Yep. Chalk up another point for the Clintonistas. Which now translates into Kedwardsistas.


21 posted on 10/20/2004 4:24:10 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb


Judge Kotelly

Photo:  Beverly Rezneck 

Chambers:  (202) 354-3340


 

Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly

Judge Kollar-Kotelly was appointed to the United States District Court in May 1997.  She received a B.A. in 1965 from The Catholic University of America and a J.D. in 1968 from Columbus School of Law, The Catholic University of America.  Following law school, she served as law clerk to Judge Catherine B. Kelly of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.  From 1969 to 1972, Judge Kollar-Kotelly was an attorney in the Criminal Division of the U.S. Department of Justice and then served as the chief legal counsel to Saint Elizabeths Hospital until 1984.  She was appointed Associate Judge of the D.C. Superior Court in October 1984, and served as Deputy Presiding Judge of the Criminal Division from 1995 until her appointment to the federal bench. (Effin' Clinton appointee) Judge Kollar-Kotelly has been a Fellow of the American Bar Association, a founding member of the Thurgood Marshall Inn of Court, an adjunct professor at Georgetown University School of Medicine in a joint teaching program on mental health and the law, and chair of the Board of the Art Trust for Superior Court.  Judge Kotelly was appointed by Chief Justice Rehnquist to serve as a member of the Judicial Conference Committee on Financial Disclosure from June 2000 through May 2002, and in May 2002 Chief Justice Rehnquist appointed Judge Kotelly to serve as Presiding Judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court , which is a 7-year appointment.
 


22 posted on 10/20/2004 4:24:31 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: ezfindit

Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly

"Judge Kollar-Kotelly was appointed to the United States District Court in May 1997. She received a B.A. in 1965 from The Catholic University of America and a J.D. in 1968 from Columbus School of Law, The Catholic University of America.

"Following law school, she served as law clerk to Judge Catherine B. Kelly of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. From 1969 to 1972, Judge Kollar-Kotelly was an attorney in the Criminal Division of the U.S. Department of Justice and then served as the chief legal counsel to Saint Elizabeths Hospital until 1984.

"She was appointed Associate Judge of the D.C. Superior Court in October 1984, and served as Deputy Presiding Judge of the Criminal Division from 1995 until her appointment to the federal bench.

"Judge Kollar-Kotelly has been a Fellow of the American Bar Association, a founding member of the Thurgood Marshall Inn of Court, an adjunct professor at Georgetown University School of Medicine in a joint teaching program on mental health and the law, and chair of the Board of the Art Trust for Superior Court.

"Judge Kotelly was appointed by Chief Justice Rehnquist to serve as a member of the Judicial Conference Committee on Financial Disclosure from June 2000 through May 2002, and in May 2002 Chief Justice Rehnquist appointed Judge Kotelly to serve as Presiding Judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court , which is a 7-year appointment. "

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/kotelly-bio.html


23 posted on 10/20/2004 4:24:48 PM PDT by KidGlock (I already voted for Bush/Cheney 2004. Did you?)
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To: Servant of the 9

That would work! We can have Orthodox men in Beslan have at them to release the tension and grief they suffered at the hands of the Radical Islamic terrorists.


24 posted on 10/20/2004 4:25:35 PM PDT by ezfindit (OrthodoxNet.com - Shining the Light of Wisdom and Truth)
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To: ezfindit
So far the government has done zip concerning the detainees. No hangings nothing.

Then look at the other side of the coin, they were quick to get enlisted people in the dock for quick punishment after the prison scandal. Not one officer has been in the dock. Seems there is no one in charge there.

Looks like American justice goes after the easy pickings.

25 posted on 10/20/2004 4:26:15 PM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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To: atomicpossum

When FDR encountered illegal combatants on US soil, he simply snuffed them, regardless of whether or not they could claim US citizenship. SCOTUS gave him the thumbs up.


26 posted on 10/20/2004 4:27:15 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Kerry fled while good men bled.)
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To: ezfindit
This is an impossible task-- Lawyers getting security clearance and entering Cuba without going through Canada. :)
27 posted on 10/20/2004 4:33:07 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: dennisw

Scary isn't it? A judge specializing in foreign intelligence is a a Clinton-appointed, terrorist loving Rehnquist suckup?


28 posted on 10/20/2004 4:36:41 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: clee1
Gauntanamo Bay Naval Base IS US territory.

No it's not. GITMO is sovereign Cuban territory for which the U.S. pays rent. A "status of forces agreement" agreed to between the U.S. and Cuba governs how its occupants are treated. Or is supposed to. The fact that Cuba has not signed such an agreement is why Cuba was chosen for Camp Delta in the first place.

29 posted on 10/20/2004 4:38:00 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: ezfindit

THESE ARE NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS. THESE PEOPLE ARE THE ENEMY. THESE PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS. THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY TO CUT A LAWYER'S HEAD OFF BECAUSE HE/SHE IS AN AMERICAN!


30 posted on 10/20/2004 4:40:39 PM PDT by Just Lori (Before you can win the peace, you have to win the WAR!)
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To: cake_crumb

Rehnquist is blame for appointing her to ---->>>>

May 2002 Chief Justice Rehnquist appointed Judge Kotelly to serve as Presiding Judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court , which is a 7-year appointment.

**** I wonder if she made this decision in the "Intelligence Surveillance Court" or as a Federal judge. I think the latter.


31 posted on 10/20/2004 4:45:38 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: ezfindit

"U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly "

Get back in the kitchen and rattle those pots and pans, woman. Jurisprudence is men's work.


32 posted on 10/20/2004 4:48:00 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dennisw

Federal judge...but the implications should still worry us.


33 posted on 10/20/2004 4:49:18 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: KantianBurke
U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly

GET HER IMPEACHED AND REMOVED. NOW!!!!!!!!! She is aiding and abetting the enemy.

34 posted on 10/20/2004 4:49:59 PM PDT by Two Thirds Vote Aye (The uninformed liberal masses should NOT be electing the Senate. REPEAL the 17th Amendment)
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To: ezfindit

The administrations answer should be: Eff off, try and enforce your ruling judge.


35 posted on 10/20/2004 4:51:35 PM PDT by Stopislamnow
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To: FreedomCalls

Really????

I didn't realize that was its status.

If this is, in fact, the case; the Aministration should tell her to go pound sand.


36 posted on 10/20/2004 4:52:01 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: clee1

no


37 posted on 10/20/2004 4:55:56 PM PDT by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: cynicom

They are not criminals, they are detainees because they are illegal combatants.


38 posted on 10/20/2004 4:58:25 PM PDT by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: ezfindit

Let them all go. Follow them, and at the first sign of renewed "activity", neutralize them. Certainly, we can shadow 600 terrorists, no?


39 posted on 10/20/2004 5:02:19 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: ezfindit

Our courts are going to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY........


40 posted on 10/20/2004 5:34:21 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Max Combined

No!!!!!!! well I'll be. Darn


41 posted on 10/20/2004 5:37:12 PM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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To: clee1; FreedomCalls
Sorry.... Guantanamo Bay Naval Base IS US territory

Sorry.... Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is not U.S. territory.

"U.S. territory" means land owned by the U.S. and the land that Guantanamo Naval Base is on is legally owned by Cuba.

A judge may have ruled that Guantanamo may constitute some sort of U.S. control but Guantanamo is Cuban territory perpetually leased to the U.S. in a lease agreement that states that the lease may not be terminated except by the mutual agreement of both parties.

The yearly "rent" set forth by treaty for the Guantanamo Naval Base land was $2000 in gold.

The U.S. now sends a yearly check for $4,085 to Havana and Castro has refused to cash those checks since 1959.

I spent one year stationed in Guantanamo. If a U.S. civilian contract worker committed a crime, they had to be sent back to the U.S. for trial as no civilian U.S. Court existed on Guantanamo.

42 posted on 10/20/2004 5:45:42 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: KantianBurke

"Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly "

Like I say, beware of those two-name people.


43 posted on 10/20/2004 5:46:01 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: ezfindit

What happens if judge's order is not accepted?


44 posted on 10/20/2004 5:46:54 PM PDT by GOPologist
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
Like I say, beware of those two-name people.

What, you mean like Rodham-Clinton or Heinz-Kerry?

45 posted on 10/20/2004 5:56:26 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Polybius

What matters is that foreign terrorists have just summarily been many of the same rights that only US citizens had before.


47 posted on 10/20/2004 6:39:54 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: ezfindit
This is just getting better and better. First we release a dozen or so of these whack-jobs, only asking them to sign a document stating that they would be good in the future, and then they promptly start attacking American forces, kidnapping and beheading people. Now this nonsense. It's like a bad dream.

IMO, after sufficient interrogation, these monsters should simply be "disappeared". We can tell them "Good news! You are being released!". Then they can be placed on a cargo plane, and at 10,000 feet over the Atlantic Ocean, they can be thrown from the plane one at a time. For good luck they can each wear a pair of PFC England's panties on their heads. We can say that we dropped them off at the Kabul Airport, and we don't know where they went. Who would miss them, besides the ACLU?

48 posted on 10/20/2004 6:45:16 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: ezfindit

Well, I don't care what she says.

1- She's got a hypenated name. And I recall someone saying (someone important but not important enough for my brain to recall) that a "hyphenated American is not an American" which means in this case . . . you figure it out.
2- These are NOT US Citizens, they have NO rights. None, Nada, Zero, Zip.
3- We are at WAR. The rules are different in a WAR. The enemy is TERROR and these people are TERRORists.
4- This hypenated Judge has NO JURISDICTION for terrorist captives as a result of a war.
5- The hypenated Judge is off her meds and needs a thorough and complete physical including electrolyte work up and all the "scans" known to man.

What IS the world coming to????????


49 posted on 10/20/2004 6:46:44 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (November 2, 2004. Can't get here quickly enough.)
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To: ezfindit

Don't worry. This judge has no authority outside the U.S.


50 posted on 10/20/2004 7:08:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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