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No Time for Kerry's Europhile Delusions ( Steyn Alert )
Chicago Sun Times ^ | October 24, 2004 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 10/24/2004 6:54:31 AM PDT by finnigan2

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To: finnigan2
I've been covering politics for 53 years, and that's just since John Kerry's convention speech.

ROFLMAO!!!! I feel exactly the same way. While I desperately want GWB to win this electin, I also am desperate for this campaign to end. It's been excruciating.

41 posted on 10/24/2004 9:24:04 AM PDT by Wolfstar (America's enemies, both here and overseas, just love John Kerry.)
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To: anonymoussierra

Kerry is a communist, without a doubt. He never met a communist cause he could not support.


42 posted on 10/24/2004 9:25:18 AM PDT by Wolfstar (America's enemies, both here and overseas, just love John Kerry.)
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To: crionlion
You know Larry, I'm not discounting your personal experience, but the number (44 mil?) of 'uninsured' batted about by some needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Not with a grain of salt...but not God's word either. You know how statistics work, and how difficult it is to get the numbers right. So there's dispute and always will be. In science they have a name for this phenomenon - experimental margin of error.

However, I wouldn't take that 75k example as typical. It defies common sense.

my brother-in-law is an adminstrator at a large hospital and they don't turn anyone away

No hospital emergency room anywhere turns away anyone. It's the law - Hill-Burton from the '50s and other stuff subsequently. But that doesn't contradict my statement about people suffering from lack of medical care. Showing up indigent at a big-city emergency room is no fun...and a lot of people didn't know you could do it. As the knowledge has become more widespread the pressure on hospitals has increased. At first, governments covered the shortfall with taxes but now - as that's becoming impossible - more and more hospitals are closing.

43 posted on 10/24/2004 9:29:39 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: finnigan2

brilliant and important. Send it to everyone.


44 posted on 10/24/2004 9:30:30 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: MKM1960

....The entitlement plantations are failing and no one sees.....

But you must understand that those who died were not me! I'm alive and well, I'm at peace, I have free health care and numerous other entitlements. My neighbors are wonderful educated refugees from all over the world and they bring such intellectual diversity to our community. Yada yada yada, me me me


45 posted on 10/24/2004 9:35:12 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: bert
I bet Chirac, Schroeder and the rest of the EU will be crying foul when they are minorities in their own countries.
46 posted on 10/24/2004 9:37:29 AM PDT by MKM1960
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To: finnigan2
Bttt.

5.56mm

47 posted on 10/24/2004 9:48:02 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: crionlion

A large part of the uninsured are also young people who don't feel the need to spend money on health insurance.


48 posted on 10/24/2004 10:25:14 AM PDT by ottothedog
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To: finnigan2
After much stonewalling, the Province of Quebec's Health Department announced this week that in the last year some 600 Quebecers had died from C. difficile, a bacterium acquired in hospital. In other words, if, say, Bill Clinton had gone for his heart bypass to the Royal Victoria Hospital in Montreal, he would have had the surgery, woken up the next day swimming in diarrhea and then died.

...and the only funny thing about that is that he still would have been full of crap.

49 posted on 10/24/2004 10:29:39 AM PDT by RichInOC (Get well soon, Bill. You were a bad president, but you're great comic relief.)
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To: liberallarry

There is a model of how healthcare should work. It is called cosmetic surgery. Since insurance companies usually don't pay for this, it is handled on a cash basis, for a fixed fee. There is an actual market system for plastic surgery and things like laser eye correction. Since it is a capitalist system, it is both affordable, and good quality. The problem with the rest of the healtcare system is that the gubmint has mucked up all financial reality.


50 posted on 10/24/2004 10:32:45 AM PDT by ottothedog
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To: finnigan2
I LOVE MARK STEYN....HE'S RARE GEM...

THANK YOU, MR. STEYN!!!

51 posted on 10/24/2004 10:39:21 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: ottothedog
That's true.

Unfortunately it doesn't address the issue of how the poor, and much of the middle class, are to get medical service. The basic, underlying, irreduceable reality is that medical care is EXPENSIVE. No modern society will tolerate a situation in which some people drive Rolls' while others watch their children die of easily treatable, easily prevantable diseases because they can't afford to see a doctor.

52 posted on 10/24/2004 10:40:06 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: finnigan2

Specifically speaking, I know they're American; the only thing Canadian about them is the label in French and English. How can politicians from both parties think that Americans can get cheaper drugs simply by outsourcing (as John Kerry would say) their distribution through a Canadian mailing address? U.S. pharmaceutical companies put up with Ottawa's price controls because it's a peripheral market. But, if you attempt to extend the price controls from the peripheral market of 30 million people to the primary market of 300 million people, all that's going to happen is that after approximately a week and a half there aren't going to be any drugs in Canada, cheap or otherwise -- just as the Clinton administration's intervention into the flu-shot market resulted in American companies getting out of the vaccine business entirely."





Why cant Bush simply incorporate this line into his speeches about drugs.


53 posted on 10/24/2004 10:40:23 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildehunt

Back off! He's mine! (after his wife gets done with him)


54 posted on 10/24/2004 10:47:49 AM PDT by Capriole
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To: finnigan2

"After much stonewalling, the Province of Quebec's Health Department announced this week that in the last year some 600 Quebecers had died from C. difficile, a bacterium acquired in hospital."

You know, I've suspected this- that socialized healthcare would kill more people than the Iraq war. This gets us half way there with only a single cause.


55 posted on 10/24/2004 10:48:41 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: finnigan2

BTT, this needs to be read by all


56 posted on 10/24/2004 10:51:46 AM PDT by McGavin999 (We have planted the seeds of democracy and watered them with our blood, now let freedom reign)
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To: finnigan2

I think this is the best Steyn piece of all I've read.
And I too have believed binLaden to be dead for a few years at least. It's the Left who still needs him to be alive to function as a prop for one of their current campaign "arguments". There is simply no reason for him to be alive when he suddenly and mysteriously "stops" creating videos and making Jihad statements. He's dead. But, no irony here, it's the Left who still contends he's alive and so they've had to create him over as a Legendary Outlaw Underground Folk Hero, because, apparently he's THEIR kind of hero. That's just the way the equation works out.


57 posted on 10/24/2004 10:53:27 AM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: liberallarry
I almost completely disagree. The middle class are the ones getting all that elective surgery. Healthcare is getting cheaper. Take a look at all the things they can treat with drugs now that used to require surgery. What is actually happening is that the quality of healthcare is going up. The problem is that w/ third party payers, people are willing to spend large sums of money for minimal improvements, so we are spending more. Regulations and trial lawyers add to the costs.

Dealing with the poor is a problem for the gubmint, as they can't enforce any discipline on welfare recipients. For instance, drug use among the poor probably causes a signifigant part of their health problems, but the ACLU would wig out if we started mandating drug testing for them.

58 posted on 10/24/2004 10:54:25 AM PDT by ottothedog
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To: ottothedog
There is a model of how healthcare should work. It is called cosmetic surgery. Since insurance companies usually don't pay for this, it is handled on a cash basis, for a fixed fee. There is an actual market system for plastic surgery and things like laser eye correction. Since it is a capitalist system, it is both affordable, and good quality. The problem with the rest of the healtcare system is that the gubmint has mucked up all financial reality.

You are absolutely dead-on. Look at the laser eye correction industry right now. Remember a few short years ago when they only offered Radial Caratotomy for $10,000? Lasik is now available for a fraction of the cost, it's safer, better, and we're seeing new innovations all the time.

The market is truly the way to go!

59 posted on 10/24/2004 10:57:56 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad

Yep. I wish Republicans would do a better job of touting that as a model for what the healthcare system could be. I am sure that once the libs figure this out they will want to "reform" Big Lasik! You know it's unfair that illegal immigrants have to pay to have 20/20 vision or some such thing...


60 posted on 10/24/2004 11:19:35 AM PDT by ottothedog
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