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Bush Says His Party Is Wrong to Oppose Gay Civil Unions
The New York Times ^ | October 26, 2004 | ELISABETH BUMILLER

Posted on 10/26/2004 5:05:21 AM PDT by ruralgal

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To: ruralgal

HOW TO LOSE AN ELECTION 101


141 posted on 10/26/2004 6:19:35 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: ruralgal
"The only thing I said even remotely like that was that I know people who are voting for Bush mainly because of this issue and that's the truth."

It may be true that gay marriage is their 'hot button' issue. It's most likely also true that abortion is a big issue for those same individuals.

No one who has either of both of these things as hot button issues would ever vote for Kerry. I suspect these folks you are thinking of will still be voting for Bush.

143 posted on 10/26/2004 6:20:44 AM PDT by MEGoody (Flush the Johns - vote Bush/Cheney 04)
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To: grassboots.org
but don't give us this nonsense that "civil unions" are ok, just, needed and right.

When legislation is brought up in the states for a vote on civil unions, it is encumbent upon that states' voters to inform themselves on the wording and ramifications of the legislation. I would vote AGAINST civil unions if the only reason for them was to equate homosexual partnerships with marriage, like the VT case. I know that there are legal ways in place right now for homosexuals to get all the 'benefits' that married couples have as far as medical coverage, hospital visitation, etc., so for the most part they are unnecessary. I was simply pointing out that states DO have the right to bring up legislation allowing for civil unions, and the voters of those state that have the right to reject them, just as the President stated.

144 posted on 10/26/2004 6:21:00 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: Josh in PA
I can sense the onslaught of "Kerry Big Mo" news coming in the headlines for the next 7 days..

Can you honestly think most people would buy that with a straight face? I think not. Everybody needs to cast their vote, though, and this is a transparent effort to get some Bush supporters to sit it out.

145 posted on 10/26/2004 6:21:25 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: ruralgal
The states ARE deciding, Bumller. See Ohio, for instance.
146 posted on 10/26/2004 6:21:37 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Aquinasfan

They do that with or without any legal union. The courts have seen to that.


147 posted on 10/26/2004 6:21:58 AM PDT by Eva
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To: livius

I'll pick another adjective. But regarding the issues. The weapons "blunder" story has NOT been discredited in medialand. I've heard it ALL morning on cable. And I'm sure it's on the networks. WE know the facts but I don't hear it getting out loud and clear on MSM. Some of Republican talking heads are doing a good job disputing it, others aren't. The president hasn't addressed it directly. The MSM will conveniently delay correcting the story. It's early, so I'm waiting to see how they'll spin the "president disagrees with his party on civil unions" issue. On reflection, Kerry has flipflopped on that one and might leave it alone. But I do expect the supplemental funding to have legs. It fits the RAT domestic theory that because of "wrong war" Iraq we don't have more free gov't giveaways.


148 posted on 10/26/2004 6:22:36 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: ruralgal
Did I do something wrong by posting this?

No, but your comments, bordering on silly and hysterical are not iimpressive.

Gay marriage is one of my main issues as a Christian so this is very relevant to me.

This is not Gay marriage.

149 posted on 10/26/2004 6:23:07 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: ruralgal
states ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."

Hey, polygamy.

150 posted on 10/26/2004 6:23:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: RightMike
I dont think anyone's talking about not voting for him..

I DO think it is in the NY Times for that reason, however. The story will be picked up and reported breathlessly all over the country, in hopes of suppressing those who might come to the conclusion from the story that the President is waffling on the issue. I don't think the Times understands that this issue is not as important as SECURITY in the minds of most Bush voters.

151 posted on 10/26/2004 6:24:43 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: MojoWire
Hey Rural Gal, you have some type of arrogant atitude that to me smells like a lib in disguise. Instead of disrupting and trying trying trying to find fault with GWB, why don't you just go out and steal some Bush/Cheney2004 yard signs like all the other Democrats.

You couldn't be more wrong about me. But I give up.

152 posted on 10/26/2004 6:24:44 AM PDT by ruralgal
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To: grassboots.org
Do you think that if FR doesn't discuss an issue, it will go away - I don't think so.

One week before the election there's nothing to "discuss".

153 posted on 10/26/2004 6:25:11 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: AHerald
States rights. States rights. States rights. That's Bush's position. And it's the right one.

Agreed, this should be left to the states. I'm concerned by the comments out there that appear to support Federal intrusion (one way or another) into this area. They constitute "evidence" that the only differences between Conservatives and Liberals are the ends they wish to effect through the use of big (Federal) government.
154 posted on 10/26/2004 6:27:48 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: ingo
Sorry if I didn't make it clearer.. Thanks for your support.. I was giving a HEADS UP to DU'ers that are crawling out of the woodwork on this thread.. LOCK AND LOAD.. :)
155 posted on 10/26/2004 6:28:24 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: ruralgal

Regardless of how you feel about this issue, it was not smart for Bush to comment with one week to go in the election. The whole key to Bush's success this year is getting religious Americans who stayed home in 2000 to come out and vote this year. This is their number one issue.

Bush is ahead right now. Would it be too much to ask that everyone in the campaign just keep their traps shut for seven more days?

P.S. The Times published this for the express purpose of keeping evangelicals at home.


156 posted on 10/26/2004 6:28:34 AM PDT by True_wesT
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To: cyncooper

Now I'm "hysterical" because I said I was disappointed. Wow. And while I'm well aware what the definition of civil union and gay marriage is, I'm opposed to both and nobody can change my mind on that. Everyone had different issues that to them are the most important ones, this is one of the ones most important to me. Second only to abortion.


157 posted on 10/26/2004 6:30:12 AM PDT by ruralgal
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To: Eva
They do that with or without any legal union. The courts have seen to that.

Varies by state. The legalization of "civil unions" would force the issue in states where the practice isn't yet legalized.

From a free legal advice website:

This is a bit dicey. Some jurisdictions (e.g., New York and California) allow gay and lesbian couples to adopt, others do not, and in many states, "it depends" on the judge, the lawyer, and the individual involved.

158 posted on 10/26/2004 6:30:35 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: RightMike

That is the point of "let the states decide".


159 posted on 10/26/2004 6:32:27 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: ruralgal
Now I'm "hysterical" because I said I was disappointed.

You said a lot more than that you were disappointed. Trying to back off your other comments?

160 posted on 10/26/2004 6:33:45 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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