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Ataturk: Turkish Nationalist Hero
Persian Journal ^ | 10/29/04 | Persian Journal

Posted on 10/29/2004 7:41:07 PM PDT by freedom44

29th October marked the 81st anniversary of the Turkish Republic. A secular country that has succeeded to survive, progress and to remain loyal to the principles introduced by its founder Mustafa Kemal Pasha, otherwise known as Ataturk - the Father of Turks. A framework in which under no domestic or international pressure the Turkish authorities have compromised on.

The Turks today are celebrating and deserve to be congratulated for their untiring efforts and their love for their country. At the same time my ancient land has sunken in the darkest period of its history since the Arab invasion of Iran in 640 A.D.

Secularism, the key to Turkey's survival and prosperity has been used and mentioned over and over by those Iranian activists outside and inside Iran particularly more than ever before in the recent years. After the death of the man who introduced its concept to us - Reza Shah the Great, it was never paid much attention until his grandson reintroduced it to our daily vocabulary.

Today more than ever before Iran is badly in need of a school of thought like that of Turkey's Kemalists which could guarantee its future democracy, secularism and nationalism; if we ever achieve such noble goals! Iran needs a doctrine so that our true secularists could stand by it, otherwise, the general expression that "people themselves will be the guarantee of our future democracy", is simply naivety.

What Iran of post-Islamic terror needs are visionary, truly secular men and women with modern thoughts to mould a new foundation for a modern nation to lead a proud life among the progressive nations of this world. Iran does not need people who are typical oriental romantics. Pragmatic, realists, radicals and forward-looking leaders are what we need to bring our country to the modern age.

(Excerpt) Read more at iranian.ws ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 5thcolumn; ataturk; eutrojanhorse; islam; islamist; sharia; turkey; worldhistory

1 posted on 10/29/2004 7:41:07 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: a_Turk

Ping
2 posted on 10/29/2004 7:41:44 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

This was posted earlier today: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1261801/posts

I imagine the burgeoning Islamists in Turkey will keep a low profile until they get admitted into the EU, then they'll take the EU down from within.


3 posted on 10/29/2004 7:45:43 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

The Turks are far more progressive then you believe and keep dreaming if you are having wet dreams of an Islamist Turkey.


4 posted on 10/29/2004 7:47:21 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

Did you know that Turkey's prime minister Edrogan, was an Islamist firebrand who served a 9 month sentence for inciting religious hatred?

Did you know that Turkey recently tried to criminalize adultery, only backing down because it endangered their admission into the EU?

Edrogan has an Islamist bent. AK whips talk openly about introducing more Islamist legislation once Ankara gets its green light on EU accession. In rural areas, AK-appointed district superintendents have been demoting female teachers who come to school in trousers. Municipal police in Samsun warned couples against kissing in public on the orders of the local AK Party mayor.

In Turkey, some modernist Islamic theologians, who publish the academic journal Islamiyat, in the footsteps of Fazlur Rahman, are calling for a complete renewal of the shariah (Islamic law), including the Koranic rulings on the penal code, women's status and the doctrine of war.

Turkey is about to go full blown Islamist, they are just hiding their nature temporarily until they get admitted into the EU.


5 posted on 10/29/2004 8:01:44 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Turkey gave women the right to vote before we did. They implemented some of the most progressive rights movements far before most nations in the west.

Also, have you ever visited Turkey!? The idea of Turkey falling to Islamists is ridiculous. France is far more likely to fall to Islamists then Turkey.


6 posted on 10/29/2004 8:14:04 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: Mount Athos

Still not convinced about how "progressive" Turkey's prime minister Erdogan is?
Did you know that as mayor of Istanbul, he tried to outlaw alcohol in many localities? That he used to refuse to shake the hands of women?

Did you know that the religious minded party that has risen to power in Turkey today, was created out of the remains of two banned Islamist groups?


7 posted on 10/29/2004 8:17:19 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: freedom44

"Also, have you ever visited Turkey!?"

Yes and it is not a place that I would want to run afowl of their law. Brrr


Ismir and the surrounding area - 1963


8 posted on 10/29/2004 8:22:52 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: freedom44

BTTT


9 posted on 10/29/2004 8:26:06 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Mount Athos

Ban alcohol in many localities? Have you ever visited TEXAS?!? Alcohol is banned in MANY localities. :)


10 posted on 10/29/2004 8:36:52 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44; a_Turk

welllllllllllll... in some places in texas, the sale is banned. the possession and use is not. not the same thing as turkey.


11 posted on 10/29/2004 8:40:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: freedom44

OK, here is the point. You say it is unthinkable for islamists to take over Turkey.

THEY ALREADY HAVE.

The party that has risen to power in Turkey was formed out of two banned Islamists groups. Erdogan is a famously avowed Islamist, even though he has been hiding his nature by necessity (the army will overthrow him if he talks religion). He was sent to prison for 9 months for inciting religious hatred, and has quite a history proving his nature.

The government passed a ban on adultery, that is a whiff of the islamist sharia to come. Once the EU accepts Turkey, the army will no longer be able to overthrow the government at its whim. The EU can no longer threaten Turkey to behave properly or not be allowed into the EU. The Islamists can reveal their true nature.

It is already finished.


12 posted on 10/29/2004 8:43:15 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Alcohol is not banned in Turkey. Only in small localities same as Texas.


13 posted on 10/29/2004 8:43:32 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

To answer your question, I have been to Turkey.

I have been to Turkish Cyprus, which I think illustrates clearly the progressive nature of Turkey that awaits the EU and the world.

Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974. They permanently seized half of the country, and to this day occupy it with troops and a puppet government. They pushed all of the native Christians out of their half, and kept them out permanently, occupying their empty homes with settlers from the Turkish mainland. They destroyed nearly every church, either dynamiting them, converting them into horse stables or mosques, or simply filling them with trash and graffiti. Turkish Cyprus today is an ethnically pure enclave, an entity unrecognized by every government in the world except Turkey. Several UN resolutions condemned the invasion and called for Turkish withdrawal, but have been ignored.

I suspect this isn't the last time "progressive" Turkey will visit this behavior on the world.


14 posted on 10/29/2004 8:50:43 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Turkey hides chechen terrorists.


15 posted on 10/29/2004 8:52:09 PM PDT by MarMema (Sharon is my hero)
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To: Mount Athos
The government passed a ban on adultery

Boy, how puritanical, these Turks

16 posted on 10/29/2004 9:11:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

How disgusting that the Turks would pass laws banning adultry. ;)


17 posted on 10/29/2004 9:33:13 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: Mount Athos
Turkish Cyprus today is an ethnically pure ...

Are you saying Greek Cyprus is not ethnically pure?

18 posted on 10/29/2004 11:03:26 PM PDT by Allan
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To: Allan

Correct, there are huge numbers of turks in Greek Cyprus.
There are no Greeks in Turkish Cyprus.


19 posted on 10/29/2004 11:06:39 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
They (the Turks) destroyed nearly every church ..

There are lots of mosques in Southern Cyprus, I take it.

20 posted on 10/29/2004 11:06:43 PM PDT by Allan
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To: Allan

This is also correct, there are lots of mosques in southern Cyprus.
There is one functioning church in turkish cyprus. The rest are museums, converted into stables or mosques, filled with trash and graffiti, or simply destroyed.

The contrast between Southern and Northern Cyprus is stunning.
Southern Cyprus is recognized by the entire world, while Northern Cyprus is only recognized by one country, turkey.


21 posted on 10/29/2004 11:08:52 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
Correct, there are huge numbers of turks in Greek Cyprus.

Strange. I visited Southern Cyprus last summer
with my wife's family
who were forced to leave Limassol
after the partition.

I didn't see a single Turk.

They must have been away on vacation.

22 posted on 10/29/2004 11:09:16 PM PDT by Allan
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To: Allan

Ask your wife's family more details about how they were "forced".


23 posted on 10/29/2004 11:17:34 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Well
knowing that Turkish families had been shot
and thrown into bathtubs
might have been an inducement to leave.


24 posted on 10/29/2004 11:29:17 PM PDT by Allan
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To: freedom44

Thanks for the article and ping.


25 posted on 10/30/2004 6:32:39 PM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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