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NY Times Review of 'How to Talk to a Liberal' (Bad Girl, Bad!)
New York Times Book Review ^ | Oct 31, 2004 | LIESL SCHILLINGER

Posted on 10/29/2004 11:02:14 PM PDT by publius1

'How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)': All Their Fault By LIESL SCHILLINGER

Published: October 31, 2004

LISTEN, I'm as open-minded as any liberal -- as all liberals. We have to be that way: it says so in Webster's dictionary, where, among other things, the word ''liberal'' describes someone who ''displays tolerance of others' views.'' So I'm happy to let Ann Coulter talk. She stands before me as I write this. Smug, boxy and impassive, she wears one of her trademark microminis. I recall what my high school English teacher back in Oklahoma used to say about essays -- they should be ''like a miniskirt: long enough to cover the subject, short enough to be interesting.'' Coulter's subject must be brief indeed.

I press the button at her waist, and she begins to spout: ''Liberals can't just come out and say they want to take more of our money, kill babies and discriminate on the basis of race.'' I press again: ''Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil.'' Again: ''At the risk of giving away the ending: it's all the liberals' fault.'' Again: ''At least when right-wingers rant there's a point.'' Oh really? I begin to quiz her on this last bit of whimsy, but she doesn't appear to hear me. This isn't surprising because the Coulter who is speechifying at this particular liberal is the Special Edition Ann Coulter Barbie-type doll, loaded with recorded sound bites of conservative vitriol from the venomous vixen herself. The doll is incapable of listening -- just like the woman who inspired her. But there's one difference between the flesh woman and the vinyl one: unlike the toy, the real Ann Coulter doesn't come with the useful advisory: ''Warning: Choking Hazard.''

Coulter's latest grab bag, ''How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must),'' which reiterates and expands upon the insights contained in her doll, in her partisan tirades on television and in her previous books, ''Treason,'' ''Slander'' and ''High Crimes and Misdemeanors,'' is a collection of her published and unpublished fulminations. It reaches as far back as 1991 (a justly rejected rant on feminist legal theory, written for National Review, that begins with her recollection of a snuff film), but concentrates on the more recent work from her syndicated columns. There's the one from last November that jeered at Democrats for asking President Bush for an exit strategy and discounted American war deaths in Iraq on the grounds that the murder toll in Washington in 2002 was higher. And, from this year, her stomach-churning attacks on Max Cleland, the former Georgia senator, mocking him for his 1968 grenade accident in Vietnam, which left him a triple amputee. The cracks are plastered in with assorted cultural musings. (Pondering examples of the ''slutty-girl genre'' like ''Sex and the City,'' she wrote in 2000: ''This is not how women talk. This is how some men might talk -- if women would let them.'' This from the woman who, 60 pages on, describes Americans who question George W. Bush's National Guard service as ''jock-sniffers for war veterans.'')

One of the book's few demonstrations of nuance is a chapter that defends the honor of the Confederate flag, pointing out that liberal-minded Union soldiers praised the valor of their opponents in the South and mentioning that Winston Churchill called the Civil War the ''last war fought between gentlemen.'' But even this chapter is soiled with a gratuitous smear of American blacks who, by wearing kinte cloth and choosing to call themselves African-Americans, Coulter says, ''express pride in their slave-trading ancestors'' back in Africa.

Still, the book affords some unexpected pleasures for nonconservatives -- like discovering how many of its statements you can actually agree with. On the Democratic Party, for example: ''Democrats will vote their consciences even if it hurts them politically and all Republicans ever do is call people names.'' On President Bush, ''the religious-right nut currently occupying the White House'': he ''said he was a 'reformer with results' -- LIAR!'' On civil liberties: ''We must not allow people like John Ashcroft to take away our rights and our freedoms.'' And the Iraq War: ''I'm saddened, saddened, that this president failed so miserably at diplomacy that we're now forced to war.''

Of course, in all these passages, Coulter means to deride liberal attitudes, both real (two of those quotations are from Tom Daschle and John Edwards) and invented. But hey, for Coulter, that's as close to fair dialogue as a liberal is likely to get. To paraphrase what her side has said of John Kerry, she might as well debate herself. Coulter is the only opponent she's prepared to hear out; indeed, she writes early in the book that she doesn't really want to talk to liberals since ''in most cases I don't even like them.'' Well, in the words of mean girls everywhere: the feeling is mutual.

As a token liberal, I'm uniquely qualified to take on this token conservative because -- What do you know? Madame Alexander used to make a ''Liesl'' doll (still available in collectors' circles), named for the eldest daughter of an Austrian family that fled their country when it was annexed by a corrupt, power-drunk dictator. Perhaps the two dolls can square off. Disadvantage: only the Coulter doll can speak. Advantage: neither doll has to listen.

Liesl Schillinger is an arts editor at The New Yorker and a regular contributor to the Book Review.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bookreview; coulter; nyt; talktoaliberal
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Okay, I've read this twice, and I still don't understand it. Does it mean anything nore than, "I don't like you either, except that I'm not as bright or witty?"
1 posted on 10/29/2004 11:02:14 PM PDT by publius1
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To: publius1

BTTT


2 posted on 10/29/2004 11:05:26 PM PDT by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: publius1
The author just rubs the sarcasm off of Coulter's hyperbole, and runs with the makings of a sausage, before the garbage becomes barely fit aesthetically enough for human consumption. Both are fun, but well, barkers in the public square for attention, rather than something vaguely substantive.
3 posted on 10/29/2004 11:06:46 PM PDT by Torie
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To: publius1
Why do I bother? The Slimes has its supposed open mindedness on full display here...

However, I wanted to pick on one point;

And, from this year, her stomach-churning attacks on Max Cleland, the former Georgia senator, mocking him for his 1968 grenade accident in Vietnam, which left him a triple amputee.



The Dems were touting Cleland as a war hero who was gravely wounded in combat. This is not the truth of the matter. Because it is a touchy subject - unlike Kerry, Cleland did serve honorably - most Reps would not touch the Dem's lie.

So Coulter did. Now, criticize her verbiage if you will, but shouldn't the fact she was answering a willfull lie merit some text too?
4 posted on 10/29/2004 11:07:42 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We've found more WMDs in Iraq than we've found disenfranchised blacks in Florida. --Ann Coulter)
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To: publius1

The term for this "review" is "catty."


5 posted on 10/29/2004 11:08:26 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: publius1
it says so in Webster's dictionary, where, among other things, the word ''liberal'' describes someone who ''displays tolerance of others' views.''

Of course, this is exactly what today's "liberals" do NOT do. Even their name is a lie.

6 posted on 10/29/2004 11:10:25 PM PDT by JennysCool (Terrorism: Not a global test, John, but a pop quiz.)
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To: publius1

Got me. Pretty bad review when all you can really say is you don't like the author. Oh well. I'll bet she wishes she could sell as many books as Ann Coulter!


7 posted on 10/29/2004 11:12:14 PM PDT by Proud Legions
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To: publius1

And probably not as pretty...


8 posted on 10/29/2004 11:12:50 PM PDT by konaice
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To: capitan_refugio

I prefer the term "beotchy".


9 posted on 10/29/2004 11:13:16 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: publius1

Ok now girls why don't we just take a deep breath, thats right, and try to think of nice things, yes, a bird chirping, you are lying on a beach, feel the sun's warmth, ga ga ga PUKE!


10 posted on 10/29/2004 11:13:30 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: publius1

Most conservative books don't even get reviewed by the New York Times.

I can see quite a bit of jealousy in the reviewer. Probably wondering why she is two bit book reviewer and Ann Coulter is praised and adored by conservatives. Also very intent on Ann's clothing. That seems a bit strange in a book review.


11 posted on 10/29/2004 11:14:21 PM PDT by Moconservative
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To: publius1

The critic really had her feelings hurt by the book. This review will sell books though, even libs will want to read it.


12 posted on 10/29/2004 11:15:08 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
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To: publius1

This review is the normal hit piece on Coulter. The liberals, especially this liberal, call her names and take statements out of context. Frankly, it would not shock me to find out that this liberal did not read Ms. Coulter's book. I have. publius1 is correct, just another liberal without facts demonstrating that they are (allegedly) smarter than we are. They are wrong of course, but sometimes it is better to let the liberals talk, because they get in trouble that way.


13 posted on 10/29/2004 11:15:59 PM PDT by Mere
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To: publius1

Or hard working, and judging from the hits on looks, not as good looking either.

I'm reading the book now - it is a riot. And highly accurate.

I don't like talking to "liberals" (leftists - they really stand for anti-liberalsim)either - glad someon ehad the courage and common sense to point it out.

Diva's Husband


14 posted on 10/29/2004 11:16:09 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (God bless the Swift Boat Vets!)
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To: publius1

I thought Ann Coulter related posts ALWAYS came with pictures? Cough up! LOL


15 posted on 10/29/2004 11:17:03 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: publius1
Okay, I've read this twice, and I still don't understand it.

No - - there's really nothing to understand except that Ann clearly hit a nerve. This rambling "review" is nothing more than the typical liberal's response to Ann - - a fit of childish pouting and delusional indignation. That the former "paper of record" actually published this review is another clear indication of just how far the New York Times has slid. It's pathetic.

Regards,
LH

16 posted on 10/29/2004 11:20:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Mister Baredog

17 posted on 10/29/2004 11:22:42 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: publius1
Do you think feminine jealousy might just have a little something to do with Liesl's bile? Nature wasn't kind to her.
18 posted on 10/29/2004 11:22:49 PM PDT by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: konaice
She's not bad looking, but certainly no Ann Coulter....Liesl Schillinger
19 posted on 10/29/2004 11:23:10 PM PDT by jellybean
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To: publius1
It seems to me that this reviewer is very jealous of Ann Coulter.

I guess she should be. Ann is beautiful,intelligent,and a very successful writer. Liesel Schillinger is a bitter liberal who is stuck writing at the loser rag NY Times.
20 posted on 10/29/2004 11:25:04 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (I'm not opinionated, I'm Just Always "Right "!)
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To: Mister Baredog

21 posted on 10/29/2004 11:25:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: publius1

'"I don't like you either, except that I'm not as bright or witty?"'

I've gotta find a pic of this Liesl - and of course, someone has to get the coulter pic...


22 posted on 10/29/2004 11:26:55 PM PDT by bitt (F'n, Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?)
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To: jellybean

She's a babe who probably wears microminis too. But like Ann, she's a partisan with her own leanings. These are a pair of pretty girls who will never meet.


23 posted on 10/29/2004 11:27:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mister Baredog

24 posted on 10/29/2004 11:29:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: publius1

"LISTEN, I'm as open-minded as any liberal -- as all liberals"


Gawd! I saw this first off and I'm still gagging. Didn't even bother to read the whole thing....what tripe.


25 posted on 10/29/2004 11:30:14 PM PDT by rem22-250 (Evil usually prevails...Unless Good is very strong...."Bones")
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To: Mister Baredog

26 posted on 10/29/2004 11:31:13 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: rem22-250

And launches into a withering critcism of Ann's book. When it comes to conservative ideas, let's just say liberals - including liberal media babes like Liesl... aren't as open-minded as they claim they are.


27 posted on 10/29/2004 11:33:23 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: publius1

Girl fights were so much more exciting in high school.


28 posted on 10/29/2004 11:33:33 PM PDT by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: publius1

WHAT? The New York Slimes really reviewed a conservative book????
The world must be ending!!!!


29 posted on 10/29/2004 11:33:44 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Mister Baredog

30 posted on 10/29/2004 11:35:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Raycpa

I'd love to see these two reprise the famous Miller's beer mudfight commercial. When two beautiful women start wrestling... well you'll have to think about who's going to end up on top! ;-)


31 posted on 10/29/2004 11:35:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mister Baredog
I thought Ann Coulter related posts ALWAYS came with pictures? Cough up! LOL

You happy yet?

Regards,
LH

32 posted on 10/29/2004 11:36:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: publius1
Webster's dictionary, where, among other things, the word ''liberal'' describes someone who ''displays tolerance of others' views.''

Webster never met Lawrence O'Donnell.

33 posted on 10/29/2004 11:36:35 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (How do you ask a goose to be the last goose to die for the Kerry campaign?)
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To: Moconservative

She's probably fat and homely.


34 posted on 10/29/2004 11:38:25 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (Terrorists hate Bush - Any Questions?)
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To: Lancey Howard

The DUers can now put pics of lovely Liesl instead of having to content themselves with Helen Thomas. They've been sooo jealous of us until now!


35 posted on 10/29/2004 11:38:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Proud Legions
I'll bet she wishes she could sell as many books as Ann Coulter!

I'm guessing that nobody really cares how long or short her mini skirt is, either.

36 posted on 10/29/2004 11:39:12 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (How do you ask a goose to be the last goose to die for the Kerry campaign?)
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To: I'm ALL Right!

Take a look at post #19. I feel sorry she's NOT on our side...


37 posted on 10/29/2004 11:39:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: publius1
Five sentences in and i'm already exhausted one hand in tabulating the lies contained within this horsesh*t. Why go any further when the writer can refer to Ann as boxy? Right there you're talking alternative universe stuff so why bother?

Eff 'em, if they can't take a joke.

39 posted on 10/29/2004 11:41:51 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: goldstategop

Well, she's not fat.


40 posted on 10/29/2004 11:41:56 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (Terrorists hate Bush - Any Questions?)
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To: goldstategop
These are a pair of pretty girls who will never meet.

They may meet physically at some point, but never intellectually. Ann is more intelligent and has a rapier wit. This woman has delusions of adequacy.

41 posted on 10/29/2004 11:42:11 PM PDT by jellybean
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To: Bob_Dobbs

Does she really sound like one of her wind-up dolls? I do think though that Liesl is stretching the caricature a tad too far. Ann's sarcasm tends to get lost on the other side.


42 posted on 10/29/2004 11:42:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Moconservative

Agreed.
All I got from this "review" is that the chick is jealous of our beloved Ann.
What a whiner!


43 posted on 10/29/2004 11:44:17 PM PDT by MeekMom ((HUGE Coulter fan!!!) (Life-long Python Addict))
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To: jellybean

not bad looking?
woof woof woof!


44 posted on 10/29/2004 11:47:17 PM PDT by MeekMom ((HUGE Coulter fan!!!) (Life-long Python Addict))
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To: goldstategop
I feel sorry she's NOT on our side...


LIESL SCHILLINGER

Being better looking than Helen Thomas isn't saying much.

45 posted on 10/29/2004 11:51:14 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: publius1
How to read a liberal's book review (if you must):

It is not intended to "make sense." For example:
"like a miniskirt: long enough to cover the subject, short enough to be interesting." Coulter's subject must be brief indeed.

On the face of it, I guess this is supposed to be Dorothy-Parker-devastating, but when you actually read it, what it says is either: Her subject must be REALLY interesting, or how one talk's to a liberal must not require much coverage. In either case, not what the liberal author intended, certainly. But it sounded good to people who read English as nothing so much as a short burst of words that briefly flare the emotions without ever reaching the brain. It's sub-cortical, so don't try to "get it."

Or how about this:
To paraphrase what her side has said of John Kerry, she might as well debate herself.

Notice the subtle and completely nonsensical shift between what "her side" (which wrote no book) has said, and the author herself has said. And what do we make of what we, or she--it's not really clear--have had to say? Why nothing at all. The sentence is content free. We (or she) are just debating ourselves. (But of course we are my dear! We can't debate with people who don't understand argument, fallacy, implication, conclusion and all that goes with it.)

The macro view is very tiresome, but the micro view isn't any better. Here's just one example:
As a token liberal, I'm uniquely qualified to take on this token conservative ...

Now the word "token" in this context means, existing only for the sake of display, in an otherwise sterile or indifferent environment, at least in places where English is understood. So, what do we make of Liesl's sentence? Apparently she is a person hired by various New York magazines, but only because of a shortage of liberals there. And Ann Coulter evidently is somebody's "token" conservative, although, since she's self-employed it's difficult to know whose. Of course, again, this isn't what the author intends, because the word "token" doesn't really have any meaning as used here. (Perhaps she's paid by the word.)

But never mind. In the wacky world of the liberal reviewer, words aren't really supposed to mean things. The "essential truth" of her review is that correct conduct is to despise Ann Coulter. All Times and New Yorker readers intuitively grasp this and that is all the semi-literate denizens of the New York underworld are capable of anymore.

For those who aren't even capable of that, perhaps a nice picture could be provided, with suitably doctored shading.

46 posted on 10/29/2004 11:51:22 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Wearing BLACK Pajamas, in honor of Hanoi John)
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To: publius1

i suggest we all freep this nutcase. have a good time.


47 posted on 10/29/2004 11:55:02 PM PDT by NYCslicker (For my stand on any issue, please see "The Complete Works of Ann Coulter.")
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To: Bob_Dobbs
Some of us just think Coulter's a shrill, opportunistic hack. She's the conservative Michael Moore. (Oh, and she's pretty.)

Indeed. She's a shrill, unfunny, opportunistic hack basically living off the naughty thrill some conservatives have at having their "own" raving lunatic to counter the hordes of them on the Left.

Any two sentences of a writer like Steyn or PJ O' Rourke are both more entertaining and more valuable than Coulter.

I will disagree with you on one point....

I think she's profoundly ugly. Mishapen and out of proportion, needs to be locked inside a Krispy Kreme store for a month till she puts on about 25 lbs. I do have this anti-long hair fetish on women that biases me a bit.

But Someone like Laura Bush is about 10 times more attractive and Laura Bush at the same age Coulter is now would be about 50 times more attractive.

48 posted on 10/29/2004 11:58:22 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: publius1; Lancey Howard; potlatch; onyx; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; Grampa Dave; devolve
Liesl Schillinger is an art editor. Twenty years ago a newspaper editor told me art editors are "such pricks because they can't make art pay."

Schillinger can't write well and isn't funny, only bitter, and in that is identical to another New York Times bleater, Maureen Dowd.

Paragraph One is a thud of a rimshot, the tired old miniskirt simile. Extra points for reading the subtext of tut-tutting over the brevity of Coulter's miniskirts. The Times, having rammed homosexuality and abortion down our throats, will now police up the nation's hemlines thank you very much.

Paragraph Two demonstrates Liesl the namesake of the snooty doll doesn't know her Chatty Cathy from her Barbie.

Paragraph Three contains the standard leftist gasp how dare you mock Max--a red herring/strawman device: Cleland didn't lose any limbs in combat; he had a bad habit of dropping live grenades which caught up with him. It may be added that he aided and abetted the forged documents used by Dan Rather, amother leftist bomb thrower hoist on his own petard.

In Paragraph Four Liesl waves the nuance flag, intoning that that girl can't nuance like us liberals do whop whop.

In Paragraph Six Liesl bleats some acid reflux about "prepared to hear out"--oh, to be sure, like James Carville, Chris Matthews and Laurence O'Donnell, hmm?

Ann Coulter uses sarcasm and exaggeration to depict the strident fools on the left.

Schillinger uses huffy smarminess and bad writing to prove Coulter's point: liberalism is a mental disease.

49 posted on 10/29/2004 11:58:50 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Strategerist
Before I was anything more than violently apolitical, I read O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores. I haven't read *too* much in terms of conservative writing since, but I still haven't found anything that can touch that first experience with O'Rourke. Also, I tend to agree with your feeling that Coulter needs to eat a friggin' burger now and again...
50 posted on 10/30/2004 12:04:51 AM PDT by pcgTheDestroyer (THE RED SOX RULE THE WORLD! http://clownsofdeath.com/)
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