Posted on 11/01/2004 4:34:15 PM PST by TapTheSource
Thanks for the link.
=== But this complexion will begin to change as the younger generation begins to take over (in both countries).
You believe the younger generation is more "conservative" somehow?
You base this on what ... the way no one balks when the President quotes Scripture in Prime-Time as he pitches the use of Excess human beings for state-funded "humanitarian" research?
Buy a clue, TaptheSource. It's time you understood the FACT that the best friends the communists ever had are the so-called "pro-lifer" leadership of the so-called "conservative" party who laid out in the Congressional Record, no less, the Talking Points of the Democratic Party to date.
I think if you would hang your hat first and foremost on that Conscience which all men share rather than see the world strictly through a prism of personally interpretated Scripture to which all men are neither privy nor inclined, your prayer might be even more effective for it would center on the heart of the matter.
Seriously ... doesn't it nag at you in the least the way your model only goes so far and then becomes Complete Nonsense? That should bother you. There should be a reason for that.
I did accidentally delete a longwinded reply to you and another on various subjects the other day. I'll try to cobble it back together. But for now, understand that I didn't realize until a couple years ago that Israel was formed by UN fiat. I learned that AFTER I found out Haig took the reins for the most part of Kissinger's Narcotic's Council in the Nixon Administration, George H. Bush was our first ambassador to China and it was the GOP who first claimed abortion was "vital" to the Solution of population control.
That's when things started making sense for me, guy. =)
Seriously ... this "conservative=liberal" thing's just a red herring to keep folks busy on a safely Horizontal plane such that they don't much pay attention to the fact (or better yet, excuse same on account of "politics") that Bush fetes Kennedy and Dole fetes Clinton and -- to quote Cohen while speaking on a dais loaded with the GOP and Dem perma-leadership for the last two generations -- "The message they're sending is essentially the same thing."
If you would look through the telescope at others THE SAME WAY as you examine evil commies, I really do think your arguments would become even more strong.
Took me forever to get that far. I still refuse to turn the scope on Reagan too closely because -- like you -- there are certain sentimental attachments I just am not going to give up. He's the only GOP leader I know who's actually articulated a persuasive and solid defense of human life ... and one which would villify without question his wife's alleged support for stem cell research which relies on the purposed destruction of artificial reproduction's Collateral Damage once the more perfect Potential People are harvested and culled to order.
Any guesses on his favorite philosopher?
| ..... W.H. Auden famously called the 1930s a "low, dishonest decade." What we see in Russia today is a low, dishonest decadence. Perhaps the most striking example of the way these factors shape Russian society is the country's progressive depopulation. Russia combines one of the lowest birth rates in the world with the death rate of a country at war. According to Igor Gundarov, the head of the Russian state center for prophylactic medicine, if present trends continue, the population of Russia will be reduced by half in 80 years, to about 73 million, making the present Russian state untenable. In the years 1992-94 there was an almost vertical rise in the death rate. Mortality rose one-and-a-half times by comparison with the second half of the 1980s. The rise was so dramatic that Western demographers at first did not believe the figures. The rise in the death rate was explained as a result of the sudden impoverishment of the population. Poverty alone, however, could not have been the reason for the rise in deaths. The economic level in the 1990s fell to that of the 1960s but in the 1960s the death rate in the Soviet Union was the lowest in the developed world. Gundarov concluded that poverty, state encouraged alcoholism, and the downgrading of the system of public health accounted for only 20 percent of the reduction in longevity in Russia. The remaining 80 percent was attributable to the spiritual condition of the population in the wake of the failure to offer any new ideal for Russian society after the fall of communism. "There proceeded an attempt to 'transplant souls' and replace the old, non-market soul with a new, pragmatic businesslike approach to life," Gundarov said. This change was unaccompanied by an effort to provide . . . a reason for which the change should be undertaken. For many people, who needed something to live for, this change was intolerable and they lost the will to live because life no longer had any meaning. Nikolai Berdyaev, the Russian religious philosopher, wrote that, In the soul of the Russian people, there should appear an immanent religiosity and immanent morality for which a higher spiritual beginning creates internally a transfiguring and creative beginning. In this, he saw the hope for the future. The Russian people, he wrote, need to enrich themselves with new values and replace a "slavish religious and social psychology" with a "free religious and social psychology." They need to recognize the godliness of human honesty and honor. "At that point", he wrote, "the creative instincts will defeat the rapacious ones." We and the Russian people are still waiting for "that point." |
A Low, Dishonest Decadence: A Letter from Moscow
The National Interest -- Summer 2003
By David Satter
Putin begins to seriously worry me. He's starting to strongly resemble the military commander of Gog, as Bible prophesy seems to show that a Russian will lead an army against Israel in the last battle we call Armageddon. If Russia moves to send any sort of military force to the region in order to balance Israeli military presence, I'd say it was something to be greatly concerned about! I can't see the events of Ezekiel 38 and 39 being played out before the Church is raptured off the planet.
Our country was founded by folks who had the gumption to get on ships and cross oceans into the unknown, when such things had a 20% chance or higher of leading to death, to escape tyranny and injustice, so we have no idea how difficult it is for a country to change its leadership from absolute monarchy. Remember that Lenin lead the revolution against the Tsarist regime - which must have been somewhat less pleasant than the regime of Louis 14, 15, and 16, and in case you don't know how bad they were, read our founding fathers. They will tell you. Then Stalin had to deal with Hitler.
Don't get me wrong - I have no truck with Stalin or Lenin, but I'm not going to fault Putin for toasting the men who founded modern Russia.
=== The Soviets were too late to realize that the Irgun had by that time completely dashed their plans (and over the violent--and I mean violent--objections of the socialist Ben Gurion).
Oh pleeeeezzz don't throw me in da briar patch!!
(He was quite the fundraiser for a socialist, no? Funny how that works out ... 'course I'm just fresh from a Chicom capitalism thread so it's possible the smog of their Industrial Revolution's fogging my glasses somewhat. =)
Any recommendation from you is a must-read. Thanks Cornelis.
"Don't get me wrong - I have no truck with Stalin or Lenin, but I'm not going to fault Putin for toasting the men who founded modern Russia."
You think Lenin and Stalin were the founders of "modern Russia"? I might agree with you if you meant that Russia is being run by "former" Communists who just changed their party affiliations and kept on leading. I strongly suggest you read the "Black Book of Communism"! Just as Russia was beginning to modernize she was taken over by a completely alien force...not just to Russia, but alien to the entire human race. No freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no private property, no free market (except the black market). Communism is anti-Human. If the Communists were bees, they would be against beehives. If they were birds, they would be against flocks and free flight. If they were beavers, they would be against dams. If they were fish, they'd be against their natural propensity to organize into schools. In other words, Communists are opposed to the way humans NATURALLY organize. Not just at the international and national level, but also the way they worship, raise their families, spend their money, organize into communities, etc. That's why they call their program REVOLUTIONARY. They seek to overthrow every last vestige of human society. The result is a vast, impoverished, prison camp where even thoughts can be criminalized, let alone actions.
Speaking of reading...read those books I suggested!!! BTW, did you read post #26? Wow.
BTW, seeing how your a Catholic, have you read the book "The Undermining of the Catholic Church" by Mary Ball Martinez? If you haven't, I suggest you pick up a copy. It exposes the (Commie) forces that have undermined the Catholic Church better than any other single work I know of. So your reading list has just grown by one more book!!! Now get on it!
"...the men who founded modern Russia".
The only sense in which one could speak of "modern" Russia is that today is November 2nd, 2004 there, just like it will be here in few hours time.
Civilizationally and culturally Russia has always been a backward communist society (from immemorial times, way before Marx), if by communism one understands a way of life - i.e. how people relate to one another and to their society, and not red banners, slogans and statues. As an aside - behaviorally our own clintons are communists.
Thus Putin (or rather Russian society of his time - he's merely a figurehead and a symbol) merely reverts to the historical and civilizational norm. "Modern" Russia does not and cannot have "founders", for "modern" Russia does not exist and has never existed.
"I just read a similar article on RAPTURE READY which stated the following (approximately) and with which I fully concur."
Just checked out your site recommendation. Looks like an excellent resource. Thank you!
BUMP
BTW, did you read post #26? Wow.
I feel the same way after reading some of your posts, actually.
Romulus ... about Mary Ball Martinez (Vatican Press Corps '73-'88 and Wanderer contributor). Can you comment on the article I've linked here? I find it unsettling.
"Wow. I feel the same way after reading some of your posts, actually."
That's a pretty strong statement. If you would just speak plainly and directly, perhaps we could get to the bottom of my so-called inconsistencies (more likely yours). Instead, you always seem to spot a killer rabbit in my arguments and run away. Undaunted, I keep challenging you, but you always demure or muddy the waters with your esoteric meanderings. Do you really intend to spend your entire time writing endless words but never making a point?
As for the Martinez article, there was far more going on in the Catholic Church at that time re: the Jews than her article would imply. I will have to pull a few books off the shelf to do the subject justice. But you didn't answer my question, did you read her book?
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