Posted on 11/04/2004 5:57:24 AM PST by MWS
Yeah, I've got a brother AND my mother who voted for Kerry so I AM sensitive to how we should 'react' now BUT...
I have great difficulty being "nice" to people that voted for the candidate endorsed by Usama Bin Laden.
I have no intention of being nice to these people.
I've got a mother, step-father, brother, two grandmothers, one grandfather, and a bunch of other relatives and friends who voted for that candidate too.
We don't need to be "nice" regarding what we believe. When it comes to our beliefs, being "nice", as far as Dems are concerned, means being silent.
The last thing we need to do is be silent. We need to bring Democrats back to the bargaining table. As is the case when dealing with any set of aggressors, the only way we will bring Democrats to the table is to be strong, yet in a manner that acknowledges the fact that we will work with them if they acknowledge the fact that they need to work with us first.
Thank you. We needed that. One tends to lose the reasonable tone which sets us apart from the far left in the emotion of victory. It was fun for a day, but now its back to work! (With a sense of humor, of course!)
I didn't say "be nice".
I said that we must force them to the bargaining table, but be willing to accept them when they come.
Definitely!
Personally, I wish that some Democrats would find their sense of humor again soon...
Being a Southerner that has been all over this country and being a very obvious conservative, I have noticed one thing about liberals.
They will ALWAYS equate courtesy with weakness.
Perhaps the most radical of the radical left will indeed follow through and get on the waiting list to move in with our beloved brothers in the great white north. Where they belong. There they'll be embraced in the welcoming open arms of socialism, just what they want. As for the rest, they just need their eyes opened, educated, or deprogrammed. That's a very hard task though when the oposition is always hard at work to shore up their lies and spread rankor.
We are being told to be nice and be quiet already. We have no need to sit back and be slandered for 4 years more. They can kiss my ass. They didn't work with us when we tried to be nice, so they can shove it.
We definitely need to put forward efforts to expose the MSM, especially among friends and family. The facts are definitely out there and on our side.
Sadly, there are many elements in the Democratic Party who will most likely be as nasty as possible. They saw their dreams of ousting Bush go up in smoke. The only way we marginalize them is by pushing the rest of their party to understand that they are the ones who need to make the compromises, and that the heavy assault tactics put forward by their more extreme elements simply are not going to get any of the policies they want pushed forward.
Compromise can only come about when Democrats are willing to cross the aisle. It is not our duty to build consensus with them under any circumstances. All we can do is accept the ones that come. Doing so will drive a strong wedge through their party, cutting the far-left from the power positions they currently hold.
Say it loud and say it proud. Then say it again.
The door's open for Democrats to rejoin America. But no lunatic fringes need apply.
Let's be civil but forceful, and those who also want civilization will follow, like the marriage amendments, although not all those people voted for Bush.
We have some power now, let's use it while we can, deal with the opposition that comes as we can, and move FORWARD.
Very clearly, you can't compromise with the far left, so it's quite pointless to include them. They want their "all" or nothing, so give them nothing. 2008 is closer than we think; we need real domestic successes so we can provide a clear choice to those centrists who were on the fence this time around. I assume Iraq will be a more peaceful place, so that shouldn't be an issue, but you never know what else can happen.
They don't change. Yesterday, I was sitting at my "spot" in my DoD Gov Office, and I was surrounded by them talking about "the stupid people who voted for the President" -- then saying they didn't know anyone that stupid -- then pointing to me and saying "Except [me}." I let this one pass, but I know the laws and regs and if they push me too I will file a formal IG complaint.
Difference is - I would never treat anyone like that. NEVER! These people had to go to school somewhere to learn to be so vicious.
W has been "reaching out" to them since the very first day of his first term, and they have responded by becoming ever more vicious. I hope he is firm in his program and just ignores them this time around.
As for the average person, I have never been unpleasant to Democrats. They are always the ones who sweetly say things like, "oh, I thought you were too intelligent to be a Republican" (said by a fellow choir member), and then persist in following me around talking about it even when I told her that I was not there to discuss politics. It was the Dems, including some of these very same "sweet" people, mostly ladies in their 60s, who shoved us on the street or spat at us when we were distributing campaign material, etc. But I have never responded in kind, and most of the Republicans I know have not responded to their provocations, either.
So I don't think this requires a change in our behavior, because we are not the ones who are out of control and hysterical. I suppose we will just keep on not responding to their provocations over the next four years, because I can tell you, it is not the conservatives who are causing this atmosphere of hatred.
LOL! I see this idea that Republicans are "stupid" and Dems have the right to tell them so to their faces is a national problem!
Yeah, I had a friend call me yesterday and tell me that now she'll never get help for her nerve damage from her broken back a few years ago (get up out of wheelchairs and walk, although she's not in a wheelchair), what if her daughter gets raped and needs an abortion, and her medicare costs have risen more than her social security income so she might as well move to Canada.
Nevermind the fact that 2 of the 3 haven't been affected yet. And I wanted to say "So I should pay more in taxes?"
I just was shaking my head (we were on the phone) and let her ramble on. She has never talked to me like this before, she knows where I stand and who I support, but we just never talked politics a lot.
I was kinda upset, because she is my friend and the tone of her voice was hateful, and I was caught totally off guard. I'm going to give it a few days and talk to her again (not about politics) but I would hate it if she is going to put politics above a 6 year friendship.
People have lost their minds in this country.
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