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Death prompts Boston petition to ban 'less-lethal' weapons
AP ^ | 11.05.04 | Mark Jewell

Posted on 11/05/2004 4:07:07 AM PST by 4kevin

Civil rights advocates angry over the death of a student hit by a pepper-spray pellet are circulating petitions seeking a temporary ban on the Boston Police Department's use of so-called "less-lethal" weapons for crowd control purposes. Police Commissioner Kathleen O'Toole last week appointed an independent commission to investigate the Oct. 21 death of Victoria Snelgrove and review weapons like the one believed to have caused the 21-year-old's death during a celebration of a Red Sox victory. But critics of such weapons who held a news conference Thursday said Boston police use of pepper-ball pellets, bean bag projectiles and rubber bullets should be halted immediately. Any resumption of use should not occur until steps are taken to independently test the weapons, expand police training in their use and ensure accountability, the groups said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: advocates; banglist; boston; civilrights; lesslethalweapons; nonlethal; rubberbullets; victoriasnelgrove
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Typical libs... one accidental death and time to BAN!

Maybe they think rioters would be better controlled with a "time-out".

1 posted on 11/05/2004 4:07:08 AM PST by 4kevin
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Naaaaa. Next time, the Boston PD should just whip out the shotguns.

What the heck. That would remove a couple dozen leftist votes in 2008 anyway?

Less-lethal weapons are for wusses.


2 posted on 11/05/2004 4:12:04 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: 4kevin

Did you know some of those ever-so sweet college kids had stabbed some Boston police horses with a pencil. Kinda got the whole incident rolling. And you'd think they would learn from her death but no, approx. 30 were arrested during the Boston Red Sox rolling rally. But, o'h they're just kids. Pathetic.


3 posted on 11/05/2004 4:13:34 AM PST by jhw61
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To: 4kevin

The Boston police are pretty heavy handed at times. There is no civilian review board here. I saw an interview with one kid who got hit in the upper lip by one of these projectiles, splitting it open and bleeding all over the place. As his girlfiend was helping him to get some help they approached the cops asking for help, and the blasted him with another 12 shots. His whole upper torso was covered with huge welts.


4 posted on 11/05/2004 4:13:58 AM PST by ProudVet77 (W stands for Winner)
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"What are we supposed to use? Harsh language?"
5 posted on 11/05/2004 4:21:06 AM PST by OXENinFLA ( "Mr. Ararfat, We have news from America, President Bush won re-election." beeeeep "Yasser? Yasser?")
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To: 4kevin

The solution to this whole problem is, the next time riots happen, round up all of these liberal people, put them in front of the riot, tell them to make the riot 'go away', then leave them.


6 posted on 11/05/2004 4:23:06 AM PST by toomuchcoffee
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To: ProudVet77

If the police are the ones who split your lip, it doesn't strike me as the best idea to go up to them in the middle of a riot asking for help.

Too much "Officer Friendly" indoctrination, I guess.


7 posted on 11/05/2004 4:24:21 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: clee1
Next time, the Boston PD should just whip out the shotguns.

We used to call them "Riot Guns"- you were supposed to skip the charge over the pavement in front of the rioters to inflict "less than lethal" wounds... didn't always work out that way.

8 posted on 11/05/2004 4:28:44 AM PST by backhoe ("We met at Dawn- and destiny Preveiled...")
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To: 4kevin
Civil rights advocates angry over the death of a student hit by a pepper-spray pellet are circulating petitions seeking a temporary ban on the Boston Police Department's use of so-called "less-lethal" weapons for crowd control purposes

Like what....stern language?

9 posted on 11/05/2004 4:40:19 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Listen I live in the Boston area and these cops were dead wrong. I watch these so called "riots" and they did not warrant the force they used. So to all the people who think "using shotguns" and that there would be "less liberals" get some class. A innocent 20 year old girl died.


10 posted on 11/05/2004 4:42:05 AM PST by infowars_victory (Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me.)
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To: ProudVet77
Cut from NY Post Oct. 21, 2004

Moments after the Red Sox' 10-3 ALCS win early Thursday, some 80,000 delirious Boston faithful poured out from bars and clubs. Fans went out of control, burning a car, hurling bottles and clashing with riot cops, resulting in 16 injuries and eight arrests. One cop's nose was broken by a flying bottle and officials are considering banning alcohol sales during the World Series games. The chaos reached its fiery climax on Boylston Street, a block from Fenway, when a few hundred drunken hooligans attacked a parked Nissan Xterra that bore New York plates. The crowd smashed its windows and set it on fire.

Hell I guess we should let them get it out of their system and leave the cops at home.

11 posted on 11/05/2004 4:44:29 AM PST by The Turbanator (Vote Democrat They have what it takes, to take what you have.)
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I think that less-than-lethal weapons make it more likely that police will pull the trigger with less concern for what and where they are shooting.

It makes for poor habit that may bleed over to the lethal weapons.

12 posted on 11/05/2004 4:44:55 AM PST by Flyer (Prosecute Vote Fraud!)
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To: The Turbanator

I haven't heard anything about that. Not even in the Boston Herald. The NYpost has it wrong.


13 posted on 11/05/2004 4:46:37 AM PST by infowars_victory (Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me.)
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To: infowars_victory

While I agree that the manner of employment of force is questionable in this case, "innocent" is a stretch. You don't hang around riots where bad things are happening, if you have any sense. She has some (say, 10-20%) responsibility for this outcome.


14 posted on 11/05/2004 4:47:05 AM PST by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: 4kevin

How many people have died falling in their showers? Ban all bathing!!!


15 posted on 11/05/2004 4:50:48 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: Flyer

A fire hose would be a great tool in this case. When the officers would form their human wall and approach the crowd literally anyone within a 25 foot range would scatter. This planned seemed to working perfectly.


16 posted on 11/05/2004 4:51:31 AM PST by infowars_victory (Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me.)
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To: 4kevin

There were no more school takeovers after Kent State!


Or, here's a chance to try that 'sensitive' thing Kerry's been wanting...

17 posted on 11/05/2004 4:52:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: 4kevin

Personally, I agree that they should stop using the less-lethal weapons.

Why not just use the plain old lethal kind?


18 posted on 11/05/2004 4:54:07 AM PST by melbell (groovy)
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To: infowars_victory
A(n) innocent 20 year old girl died.

Then she's now in Heaven.

What's the problem?

19 posted on 11/05/2004 4:58:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: 4kevin

I was there. Ten feet from the girl. We had no idea the police were firing in our direction. It was an accident. I assumed she had simply passed out or taken an elbow to the nose. The girl I was with spent several hours at the police station a few days later to offer testimony.

I can tell you that the same policeman who made the errant shot had bottles raining down on him I was there. I saw it.

-T

p.s. The curse is dead! ;-)


20 posted on 11/05/2004 5:02:51 AM PST by timbuck2 ("The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts." -Edmund Burke)
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