[Jack Black]

I posted this on a thread originated by Jeff Head on election results and someone suggested I post it as a vanity so I have done so.

[Rocko]

DU is a minuscule group, compared to FR. They only get attention here because their despair is so entertaining.

[Jeff Head]

How this is resolved I do not know.

In the end...it will be by a dramatic, miraculous spirit of revival in morality, patriotism and consitituional thought...or it will be through the most dreadful of circumstances that literally drives us to our knees and purges society of the malcontents by its natural selection.

...and, IMHO, God in Heaven will be the dispenser.

We must educate, communicate, defend, reason and have great faith in either case. On the first hand to bring about the former if it can be brought about (and I believe it can!)...on the other hand to have a faithful remnant to get through the latter and come out the other side with a nation, a constitution and a people intact.

Hard work and perhaps decades before it breaks one way or the other. But with moral issues at the forefront like abortion, open-unabashed homsexuality, and with the dangerous worldwide geo-political situation...its going to come unless we see that revival spirit first.

II Chron 7:14

[bikepacker67]

Ya know.. for being the self professed intellectual elite, the Rats sure use a lot of gutter language.

I wonder if they know any adjectives that aren't 'rated R'?

[MRobert]

It is funny, but Lawrence O'Donnell was on McLaughlin tonight and he was mouthing similar views. He even hinted at secession. He said something like the blue states who pay more to the federal government and get little in return will resent being governed by the red states who are welfare states. I could not believe what I was hearing.

[elizabetty]

They are a small part of the population and really should not be given any attention at all. They are irrelevant.

[RKBA Democrat]

Ahh. I sense a fellow traveler.

Do not despair! I personally think that a golden opportunity has suddenly been thrust onto us as Democrats. AA has a belief that change can only happen one someone has hit rock bottom. Perhaps there is a more rocky bottom out there for my party, but if so, I'm failing to see it.

The great cultural divide I believe to be somewhat illusory. It's a world view that is pawned off on us by those who profit from it.

[SkyPilot]

" "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."Matthew 10:34

[God luvs America]

Do you really think that people with the mind-thought of the idiots at DUmpster did not exist in America prior to the 1980's?

By some history books or get some documentaries of what went on and what was happening in the late 60's and America was able to quickly rebounded.

And there is a huge difference...in the 60's we were not fighting an enemy that threatened our homeland as we are today....as we win the major and minor battles against terror people will either jump to our side or end up so ostracized they'll jump out of windows.

[ananda]

It is true, there is an unmistakable divide. At first glance, it looks political with left wing liberals on one side and right wing conservatives on the other. However, I think that political divide is symptomatic of an underlying much deeper divide and that is the one that is difficult to cross and that won't heal. On the one side are those who think that their own mind is the measure of all, there is nothing beyond us, and that death is the end. These people don't go to church, except for social reasons and comprise the core of the left. On the other side are those who have some sense or intuition that they are not the measure of all things, that there is something beyond us, greater than us, whence we came, and to which we will return. They may be Christians, Hindus, whatever, and comprise the core of the right. Throughout history, there has been little dialogue from one side of this divide to the other, but a good deal of fighting across it. The most lucid account of the divide itself is contained in seven dialogues called "Alciphron, or The Minute Philosopher" written in Providence, RI, in the 1730's by the Irish philosopher Bishop George Berkeley (after whom, ironically, Berkeley University was named). There is nothing in today's newspapers concerning this left-right divide that is not laid there in those dialogues. Nothing has changed and nothing ever will with regard to it.

[OpusatFR]

One of the things I learned early in life is to clean the kitchen and keep rats away from tablescraps.

It only makes them grow. On the other hand, if you remove a food source, they go away.

[Cooltouch]

The only way the hardcore left will change is if a serious deprogramming-type intervention is performed on a case-by-case basis, and even then I'd give the odds of its prolonged effectiveness at way less than 50%.

These "fellow travelers" understand totalitarianism, though, because that's what they want, even though they might not realize it. So, in view of what's best for this country, I say it is time to deliver them an ultimatum. Something along the lines of "Live Free or Die" comes to mind.

[gab1279]

As they say, "It's the entitlements, stupid." Wasteful, misguided government spending is out of control. Under a Republican Congress and Republican President no less, this has gotten even worse, and I'm quite concerned that Bush needs to address this in his second term because we are headed for disaster with spending at this rate.

Republicans are becoming indistinguishable from Democrats in the spending arena...what happened to Reagan Republican ideals? They're as bad as Democrats now in packing expensive home district projects onto any appropriations bills that come along.

Remember the promises of the Contract With America? Backscratching in Washington and protecting their political interests with pork-barreling ended up making it null and void.

Keeping the presidency and increasing our Congress majorities was just the first step, now we really to ask the hard the questions of how we are going to get back to core prinicles and fiscal responsibility.

Bush's Social Security revamp will likely incur huge transition costs. And the Dept. of Education bureaucracy - spending for it was up 110%. It's a sprawling messy thing.

In my profile, I have some concerns there and info about a book that that was very informative and eye-opening about these issues.

I have links to resources concerning the things mentioned in the first post on the Resources page of my website.

[WorkingClassFilth]

I hear every jot you have written. I would ask, however, where were you 10-15 years ago?

Today, the entire political landscape has been changed. Still, that is not far enough or good enough for those that have a spiritual agenda. Your kingdom, my friend, is not earthly.

Here's the real dilema as I see it...

We live in an age where we expect more continuity and consistency from secular leader than we do from those in our pulpits. If Christians really desire change, they'll pay attention to Chronicles which puts the onus squarely on the shoulders of believers. Without brokeness and surrender, there will never be healing.

In short, Washington is not Jerusalem.

[section9]

Jack, allow me to suggest that this is a tad overwrought.

DU is a subgroup of the left wing of the Democratic Party. They are much smaller than FR and are our mirror image on the Left, only much more fanatical. Basically, what you have in DU are the shahid of the Democratic Party. In Palestine, these guys would be wearing vests made up of Semtex and blowing up buses. Since this is America, these guys just wail at the moon.

But it's the same thing. Extremists hate; that's just the nature of the beast. But most Democrats are not like the Totenkopfverbande who post there. Most registered Dems are like most registered Pubbies, and are not a bunch of loony, birkenstock-wearing lefties!

There is a whole lot less to the Red/Blue divide than we are led to believe.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[George Smiley]

Lurking is all I do there.

You know what the Bible says about posting pearls before swine.

[El Gato]

Taxes are high, very high for high income earners, and even small cuts are met with demagogury from the left and left-media. Abominations like "earned income tax credit", a direct transfer payment to selected favored working poor is the law of the land. Bush's tax cuts were only passed with a time out provision.

Spending is out of control. Lots of liberal causes are directly funded. We pay to shoot ourselves in the foot. Again demagogury is the order of the day if anything is even proposed to be cut.

The large entitlements are structurally unsound. The Dem plan to fix them is "tax the rich" .. accelerating the transition to a Euro-socialist model. So far the Republican alternatives, again designed to split the difference and not offend, are subject to lies and distortions.

Affirmative action, absurd eco regulations, endangered species laws, activist judges, obviously illegal campaign finance laws, removal of God from the national heritage, the entire New Deal, public universities as Marxist training facilities, the list goes on and on.

Is it any wonder one of their prime objectives is to disarm the American people?

[Revolting cat!]

As you say, it's not just the DUmmies. The DUmmies are the uninhibited RATS. I know many such rodents who have never heard of DU and would never think of posting there, why, they might be even shocked to see the venom there, the same venom that they themselves spew out in casual conversations. Mirror, mirror...

We've got the Presidency, both Houses of Congress, most governorships including some in blue states. They've got the judiciary, the enrite legal establishment, the media, the entertainment industry, education, Specters and Hatches, heck, even Business Week. Who did you say was winning the culture wars now?

[Nowhere Man]

Bump

[hosepipe]

[ I posted this on a thread originated by Jeff Head on election results and someone suggested I post it as a vanity so I have done so. ]

I know I was there..
Good idea too...
You seem somewhat dispirited...
Welcome to freeRepublic...
About the only place I know of where your ideas can be challenged and/or accepted in a decent enviorment. Not everyone agrees on everything and they should'nt.. I think you may of found an internet home.. I like what you posted and should be well recieved here. Jim Robinsons living room is a healthy place to be.. Take your shoes off and relax.. if your feet are fairly clean.. d;-'