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A hysterical verbal bitch slapping of the left
1 posted on 11/08/2004 1:33:40 PM PST by finnman69
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To: finnman69

Take the two leading liberal columnists at the New York Times, Maureen Dowd and Paul Krugman. As we all know, one's a whining self-parody of a hysterical liberal who lets feminine emotion and fear defeat reason and fact in almost every column. The other used to date Michael Douglas.


2 posted on 11/08/2004 1:34:02 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

And we are supposed to "reach out" to these people?


4 posted on 11/08/2004 1:36:48 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: finnman69

Wow Bruce Springstreen and M&M's got my vote...

What was it that Sean Hannity used to do on man on the street...

Ah yeah ahuh.. duh.. I am voting for Stu Ped because them people over there told me if I didn't that my grandmom would get drafted off her social securty checks or something like that... DUH...

The party of the left is the party of ignorance.


5 posted on 11/08/2004 1:37:50 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Its time to spend some political capital... Ouch that has to hurt liberals.)
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To: finnman69
Mo Dowd's had a rough week:


6 posted on 11/08/2004 1:40:49 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: finnman69

I'll bet you Douglas is REAL sorry that he married CZJ instead of Her Dowdiness.


8 posted on 11/08/2004 1:41:53 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: finnman69
There are other complaints as well. Take the two leading liberal columnists at the New York Times, Maureen Dowd and Paul Krugman. As we all know, one's a whining self-parody of a hysterical liberal who lets feminine emotion and fear defeat reason and fact in almost every column. The other used to date Michael Douglas.

Home-freaking-run!

9 posted on 11/08/2004 1:42:36 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: finnman69

Great article, thanks.


10 posted on 11/08/2004 1:45:18 PM PST by KeyWest
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To: finnman69
The rest of this needlessly excerpted article:
There are other complaints as well. Take the two leading liberal columnists at the New York Times, Maureen Dowd and Paul Krugman. As we all know, one's a whining self-parody of a hysterical liberal who lets feminine emotion and fear defeat reason and fact in almost every column. The other used to date Michael Douglas. But both of them have been writing a string of columns insisting that the Bushies ran a campaign of "divisiveness," "primitivism," and "fear." To be fair, and to everyone's surprise, Krugman's post-drubbing column wasn't a whine-fest so much as a cri de coeur about how his whininess was justified all along. The column read like a quickly dashed-off buck-up memo about how Democrats should keep fighting. Conveniently Krugman is now going into hiding for a few months to work on an economics textbook. (Nothing like telling the troops to tough it out in the trenches as you head to the bunker.) Thank goodness Dowd has picked up the slack. Her columns of late aren't the clever highbrow snarks they once were; once she knew how to sweeten the bile. Now her op-ed page real estate hits your desk like a bucket of vomit with some Body Shop potpourri sprinkled across the surface.

For all their screeching about the politics of fear and division, neither has taken any time to explain how the Democrats' insistence that young people will be drafted, that blacks are being systematically denied the right to vote, and that your disabled relatives won't be able to walk again if Bush is reelected constitute the sort of sunny, upbeat, inclusive politics of hope they favor.

The most hysterical part about Dowd's column Sunday (as in hysterically funny, not hysterical in the sense of Krugman explaining why the latest employment numbers are so high) was when she defended William Jennings Bryan's defense of creationism in the Scopes trial, on the basis that Bryan believed Darwinian theory bolstered capitalism. She might have a fraction of a sliver of a historical point (Herbert Spencer: Ptooey!). But to make this argument, she's basically conceding that her problem isn't with creationism per se — normally considered a codeword for the sort of "right-wing ignorance" the Smiley crowd despises — but rather that her problem is with creationism when creationism helps the Right. Now that's a principled position!

But that brings us back to this whole "ignorance" thing. What Smiley, Dowd, & Co. object to is not ignorance qua ignorance, but what the Marxists called false consciousness (indeed, Smiley even talks like a character out of a Tom Wolfe novel with her glib references to "big capitalists" and right-wing "greed"). Gary Wills's question sums up the attitude nicely: "Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"

Hating the "Haters"

For example, Saturday night, my wife forced me to watch Bill Maher's HBO show because we'd heard that Andrew Sullivan tore Noam Chomsky apart. That's not actually what happened. Maher actually did a one-on-one interview with Chomsky. It was more like Maher was granted an audience with Chomsky. Maher's style was only slightly less deferential than our own Kathryn Lopez's would be with the pope. Which only makes sense, since Chomsky is something akin to the Black Pope of America-Hatred. Sullivan did a fine job ridiculing Maher about all that, but ultimately the show wasn't worth its price in agita. I had to listen to Susan Sarandon — Hollywood's Patron Saint of Sore Losers — explain that maybe Kerry really did win and that some grassy-knoll Republicans absconded with the election.

But even worse was Maher's mindless righteousness about his own atheism. For years Maher has been auditioning for his Profile in Courage award by saying "brave" things about the unreality of Jesus and the silliness of religion. Every mention of religion causes a dirty smile and joyful sneer to spawn across his face. The other night he was pounding the table with great satisfaction for having the courage to be a "rational" person and hence an unbeliever — and of course the audience was applauding like so many toy monkeys.

There's no time here to dismantle fully the edifice of condescension and ignorance constructed by Maher and Smiley (I put Dowd in a different category). But what offends them so much about religion is that it is a source of authority outside — and prior to — politics. What has offended the Left since Marx, and American liberalism since Dewey, is the notion that moral authority should be derived from anyplace other than the state or "the people" (conveniently defined as citizens who vote liberal). Voting on values not sanctified by secular priests is how they define "ignorance." This was the real goal of Hillary Clinton's "politics of meaning" — to replace traditional religion with a secular one that derived its authority not from ancient texts and "superstitions" but from the good intentions of an activist state and its anointed priests. Shortly before the election, Howell Raines fretted that the worst outcome of a Bush victory would be the resurgence of "theologically based cultural norms" — without even acknowledging the fact that "theologically based cultural norms" gave us everything from the printing press and the newspaper to the First Amendment he claims to be such a defender of.

What Maher, Raines, and Smiley fail to grasp is that all morality is based upon transcendence — or it is merely based on utilitarianism of one kind or another, and therefore it is not morality so much as, at best, an enlightened expediency or will-to-power. It is no more rational to vote based on a desire to do "good" than it is to vote based on a desire to do God's will. Indeed, for millions of people this is a distinction without a difference — as it was for so many of the abolitionists progressives and civil-rights leaders today's liberals love to invoke but never actually learn about.

Love, in fact, is just as silly and superstitious a concept as God (and for those who believe God is Love, this too is a distinction without a difference). Chesterton's observation that the purely rational man will not marry is just as correct today, because science has done far more damage to the ideal of love than it has done to the notion of an awesome God beyond our ken. Genes, hormones, instincts, evolution: These are the cause for the effect of love in the purely rational man's textbook. But Maher would get few applause lines from his audience of sophisticated yokels if he mocked love as a silly superstition. This is, in part, because the crowd he plays to likes the idea of love while it dislikes the idea of God; and in part because these people feel love, so they think it exists. But such is the extent of their solipsism and narcissism that they not only reject the existence of God but go so far as to mock those who do not, simply because they don't feel Him themselves. And, alas, in elite America, feelings are the only recognized foundation of metaphysics.

I didn't intend to get off on the tangent of religion. I'm not particularly religious myself, after all. Nevertheless, I think the great irony of this election is that for all the talk of how the bigoted Right won, the Left's loss has sparked far more bigotry. Their clever trick is to defend their hatred of the religious by calling it a hatred of bigotry itself — a rationalization no liberal would tolerate from any other kind of bigot.

Anyway, I should wrap this up. Look, I understand that the entire Popular Front of the Left lost — and big — last week. I understand they thought they were going to win. I understand that many of them believed all of the nonsense about Bush's being a fascist crusader and I understand that some actually believed P. Diddy's axiom that you should vote (Democratic) or die. (Although it should be self-evident that a man who chooses the name P. Diddy is not a man to take very seriously. Last time I checked, Henry Kissinger never contemplated calling himself "Special K.")

But for those of you who think your grief and disappointment justify your pious nastiness and blame-shifting for your own failures: Do keep in mind that it is precisely such self-indulgence and arrogance that costs you elections.


12 posted on 11/08/2004 1:46:13 PM PST by xsysmgr
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To: finnman69
If Bush takes this country back to the primitive stone age and forces all women into burkas, I can think of no woman better for it to happen to than Maureen Dowd.
14 posted on 11/08/2004 1:47:45 PM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: finnman69
Jonah nails it. For some time I've believed the left's basic issue with religion has nothing to do with the concept of a God but with power not only placed above them but infinitely beyond their reach.
15 posted on 11/08/2004 1:49:21 PM PST by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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Just in case someone doesn't go to the article, here's a nice bit: "...a man who chooses the name P. Diddy is not a man to take very seriously. Last time I checked, Henry Kissinger never contemplated calling himself "Special K."
17 posted on 11/08/2004 1:49:34 PM PST by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: finnman69

I loved the arguments of the Kerry Supporters; nothing to support what he stood(don't you just love this past tense)for, just "Bush is an idiot".

They seemed to confuse a misinformed opinion for an argument.

The can all just leave and go to wherever Whoopi and Alec went in 2000...


19 posted on 11/08/2004 1:55:55 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Drivers of SUVs without brush scratches should be horsewhipped! ><BCC>)
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To: finnman69

Mark for later reading.


24 posted on 11/08/2004 2:08:42 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (Savor...)
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To: finnman69

Yeah right, Republicans are the ignorant ones. And that's why in the last several elections, Democrats can't even follow an arrow...or punch a chad, to vote for their own plantation owners. The irony in how the Democrats have dumbed-down their own constituents is playing out nicely...as their people are even too stupid to follow directions.


25 posted on 11/08/2004 2:09:19 PM PST by cwb (Defeat after defeat, Democrats are still living in denial.)
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To: finnman69

OH Man!

Jonah's piece is a riot!!!

The crack at Krugman floored me!


27 posted on 11/08/2004 2:13:56 PM PST by ArmyBratproud (Kerry wants to steal documents, taxes, my gun, etc. And now the commie punk wants to steal my vote.)
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Note to Self: Shred my paperback copy of "A Thousand Acres" and mail shreds to Jane Smiley's publisher.

There's nothing I hate more than someone I've supported with my hard-earned cash turning around and calling me stooopid.

Pulitzer Prize, my arse! People like ME are the reason people like YOU (Jane Smiley) are allowed to write your novels and your hateful op/ed pieces. Ingrate.


28 posted on 11/08/2004 2:19:30 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth! It's The Only Planet With Chocolate!)
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The socialists need to stop pounding their keyboards in frustration....

because I keep getting 15 yard penalties for taunting.

29 posted on 11/08/2004 2:21:01 PM PST by FreedomFarmer (Gentlemen, FIX BAYONETS!)
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To: finnman69

Were we DUMB to have saved their behinds a thousand times?


36 posted on 11/08/2004 2:48:21 PM PST by hushpad
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To: finnman69

" Nevertheless, I think the great irony of this election is that for all the talk of how the bigoted Right won, the Left's loss has sparked far more bigotry. "

Every day, the leaders of the Democrat Party describe their base as being helpless blobs who are unable to function without the government taking their hand and walking them through life.

The Democrat Party went to court complaining that the regulations for casting a ballot were too tough for their average voter.
They demanded that the judicial system give their base special election dispensation , even though said voter could not read or understand a ballot, had no idea where they should vote or if they were in fact, citizens of the US.
Being able to punch a hole in a paper ballot was a task too stringent and unfair for thousands upon thousands of Democrat voters.
Filling in one's address and date of birth were apparently too challenging for the average Democrat-again, their words.
The mantra of the Democrat leadership is that their party is comprised of people who cannot get a job,
cannot get an education,
cannot get health care,
cannot feed themselves or their family or function on the most basic level,
cannot heat their homes,
retire without starving,
figure out how not to get pregnant or
educate their kids.
I always wondered how people could admit they were Democrats, when their leadership and party platform insisted that to be a Democrat, you apparently must have no more than a third grade education and the life skills of an amoeba.
And yet,it's the left that now hurls the invectives that 60 million voters are nothing more than " ignorant, uneducated, backwoods, trailer residing, Wal Mart shopping, redneck trash."


39 posted on 11/08/2004 3:12:14 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue ( The Grateful Red rules. Take that Blue Fringe !!)
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To: AdamSelene235
There's no time here to dismantle fully the edifice of condescension and ignorance constructed by Maher and Smiley (I put Dowd in a different category). But what offends them so much about religion is that it is a source of authority outside — and prior to — politics. What has offended the Left since Marx, and American liberalism since Dewey, is the notion that moral authority should be derived from anyplace other than the state or "the people" (conveniently defined as citizens who vote liberal). Voting on values not sanctified by secular priests is how they define "ignorance." This was the real goal of Hillary Clinton's "politics of meaning" — to replace traditional religion with a secular one that derived its authority not from ancient texts and "superstitions" but from the good intentions of an activist state and its anointed priests. Shortly before the election, Howell Raines fretted that the worst outcome of a Bush victory would be the resurgence of "theologically based cultural norms" — without even acknowledging the fact that "theologically based cultural norms" gave us everything from the printing press and the newspaper to the First Amendment he claims to be such a defender of.

A+.

[z]
40 posted on 11/08/2004 3:20:10 PM PST by zechariah ("Sir", they said, "We would like to see Jesus.")
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