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The killing of Theo van Gogh and the aftermath - Report by a Dutch guy

Posted on 11/10/2004 2:52:53 AM PST by teezle

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1 posted on 11/10/2004 2:52:54 AM PST by teezle
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To: teezle

Many thanks for posting here. We know how terrible the Muslim Trojan Horse is THOUGH you are seeing it first hand due to insane immigration policies.


2 posted on 11/10/2004 2:56:26 AM PST by dennisw (G_D - against Amelek for all generations.)
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3 posted on 11/10/2004 2:56:46 AM PST by dennisw (G_D - against Amelek for all generations.)
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4 posted on 11/10/2004 2:56:51 AM PST by dennisw (G_D - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: teezle
You can watch the film that enraged the Dutch Muslim community and cost Theo Van Gogh his life: Submission Pt1
5 posted on 11/10/2004 3:01:30 AM PST by kiwi_hawk (Religion of Peace)
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To: teezle
Crosslinked:

Islam, a Religion of Peace® ? Click this picture:


6 posted on 11/10/2004 3:02:00 AM PST by backhoe ("We met at Dawn- and destiny Prevailed...")
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To: dennisw

We saw it here on 09-11 in spades


7 posted on 11/10/2004 3:02:49 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: teezle
Please enlighten us:

  1. What is the percentage of Muslims living among the Dutch?
  2. What percent of those would you rate as moderate or harmless?
  3. What percentage of the Dutch sees Muslim radicalism as another nazi occupation.
  4. For what it's worth, I hold out hope for the Dutch due to their brave and fierce resistance of the nazi occupation. Is this wishful thinking?

8 posted on 11/10/2004 3:04:35 AM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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Love that image of the ROP. Thanks 'backhoe'.


9 posted on 11/10/2004 3:05:16 AM PST by kiwi_hawk (Religion of Peace)
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To: teezle

We should welcome all non-Muslim immigration to the USA... and prohibit Muslims completely. Not possible, I know. But that's what we SHOULD do.

The USA should be the last place on earth that these animals turn into a s--house.


10 posted on 11/10/2004 3:05:47 AM PST by samtheman (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: joesnuffy

Thanks for the post.

I'd give up on the Muslims in your country. Ask Buddhist in Thailand about Islam. Ask Hindus in India about Islam. Ask Catholics in Nigeria about Islam. Ask Protestants in Darfur about Islam.

Everywhere Islam comes into contact with another culture, regardless of what that culture may be, violence follows.


11 posted on 11/10/2004 3:06:58 AM PST by Jibaholic
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To: teezle

There is something seriously wrong with a religion, that if it is questioned, insulted or slighted in some way, the only acceptable response is death.
Even if Van Gogh was pretty vocal about his disdain for Muslims, Jews, etc, it doesn't excuse the Muslim religion from going over the line and killing him, and it doesn't excuse them from beheading innocents in Iraq either. If the Muslim religion is really a religion of peace, they will be outraged at the acts committed in their name, and that outrage is yet to be heard.


12 posted on 11/10/2004 3:13:51 AM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: teezle

Spain, Netherlands, and soon The rest of Europe will have this problem with the Islamofascists, IMO. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Appeasment as a foreign policy is bound to fail, everytime.


13 posted on 11/10/2004 3:14:02 AM PST by kb2614 ( You have everything to fear, including fear itself. - The new DNC slogan)
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To: teezle
Thanks for the post. Peace and blessings to the Netherlands. All of the Dutch people I have ever met have been very good people.
14 posted on 11/10/2004 3:14:33 AM PST by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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Thank you for the message... It is shocking to wake up and read about what is happening in the Netherlands. It seems like things are getting out of control.

Personally, I think that it is awful that people of both religions are retaliating by starting fires at mosques or churches. Some here might say that this only reflects built-up anger without an outlet, but this is not a good enough excuse. On the other hand, if one lives in a community and knows that there is a building down the street where fanatics are planning and praising attacks against Westerners (including Americans -- I believe some of the plotting for 911 was done in Holland) and the government is doing nothing about it, it wouldn't take much for one to take the situation in one's own hands.

For me, one of the most interesting things is to compare this reaction in the Netherlands to the American reaction after 911. It could be that the Dutch arsonists aren't afraid of punishment in the same way as would happen in the US. Furthermore, it is ironic that European intellectuals want us to believe that European society is more calm and fair but then something like this can set them off in a way that surpasses the American response. I think that this event, combined with Madrid which oddly does not seem to have fully sunken in, may finally force Europe to recognize that it cannot ignore the threat from radical Islam.

Stay safe over there and remember that American is grateful for the Dutch support in the last few years. Also I certainly hope that no one will try to blame this situation on the United States for 'inflaming' Muslims; 911 did that itself.


15 posted on 11/10/2004 3:16:22 AM PST by TFine80 (Patton's Son: "There's no soap ever been invented that can wash that blood off his hands.")
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I am starting to think more and more that we are on the edge of a major conflict within the NL

Lets hope so and lance that ugly boil once and for all.

16 posted on 11/10/2004 3:17:05 AM PST by Colosis
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What is the percentage of Muslims living among the Dutch?

16 million people in the NL of which 1 million Muslims.

What percent of those would you rate as moderate or harmless?

It is said that 5 percent of them are radical.

What percentage of the Dutch sees Muslim radicalism as another nazi occupation.

I don't know the answer to that. I can say that our most rightwing representative Geert Wilders left the VVD (liberals, most rightwing party in NL apart from evangelists party) a few months ago. In the polls he has now 18 seats (of 150) in parlement. Compared to 7 prior to the Theo van Gogh slaughtering

You must know that Holland = Tolerance. We love nuances and hate extremists. Our country is changing I must say. My dad (votes Greens) is now pleading for expelling every extremist in the Netherlands.

For what it's worth, I hold out hope for the Dutch due to their brave and fierce resistance of the nazi occupation. Is this wishful thinking?

I don't know what is going to happen. As of know the situation is escalating day by day (just learned of another attack on a mosque).
17 posted on 11/10/2004 3:17:36 AM PST by teezle
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To: Jibaholic
Some posts just seem to put it together

I'd give up on the Muslims in your country. Ask Buddhist in Thailand about Islam. Ask Hindus in India about Islam. Ask Catholics in Nigeria about Islam. Ask Protestants in Darfur about Islam. Everywhere Islam comes into contact with another culture, regardless of what that culture may be, violence follows.

This one DEFINITELY did for me, thanks. (psst....you may see it copied on some other threads!) :)

18 posted on 11/10/2004 3:18:25 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: teezle

This is interesting. Good post!


19 posted on 11/10/2004 3:18:43 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: teezle

Holland is a great country. Let's hope that our islama-buddies have played their hand wrongly and in a self-defeating enough manner that this problem is over with and resolved quickly and conclusively.

I've been following the aftermath and ramifications ensuing from Theo Van Gogh's murder here in the US. Maybe he's provoked them to self-defeating reactions that will confound their cause. Let's hope so.

Be safe.


20 posted on 11/10/2004 3:20:14 AM PST by TwilightDog (("The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast"--Oscar Wilde))
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