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US Marines Use Israeli Tactics in Fallujah
MENL ^ | 11/10/2004

Posted on 11/10/2004 1:21:54 PM PST by yonif

BAGHDAD [MENL] -- The U.S. military has employed Israeli urban warfare tactics during the current invasion of the Iraqi city of Faluja.

U.S. officials said the Army and Marine Corps have employed tactics developed during the Israeli military invasion of West Bank cities in 2002. They said the Israeli methods helped save soldiers and accelerate the advance through Faluja.

"We have learned a lot regarding urban warfare tactics in the Middle East from our allies," an official said. "Yes, this includes Israel."

Officials acknowledged that hundreds of officers have trained in Israel over the last two years in urban warfare and counter-insurgency. In September, scores of U.S. officers trained at the Adam urban warfare school northeast of Tel Aviv, a facility that contains a mock Arab village.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujah; idf; iraq; israel; marines; napalminthemorning; religionofpeace; waronterrorism; wot
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1 posted on 11/10/2004 1:21:55 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif

How long before the Arab community complains about our "Zionist" tactics? I say 5 min.


2 posted on 11/10/2004 1:23:38 PM PST by RtWngr
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To: yonif
http://www.kevinsites.net/2004_11_07_archive.html#110011362813651794

Wednesday, November 10, 2004
Street By Street

Even before first light -- U.S. Marines, soldiers and Iraqi National Guard troops swarmed into Falluja. Tanks and heavily armored Bradley Fighting used their main guns to blow up cars and buses parked down side streets -- just in case they might be booby-trapped -- packed with explosives.

"This is a frigging ghost town," says Corporal Steven Wolf, a squad leader for the vehicle the CAAT (Combined Anti Armor Team) Platoon. The streets are deserted. But there are some exceptions. The dead.

The Marines are operating with liberal rules of engagement.

"Everything to the west is weapons free," radios Staff Sgt. Sam Mortimer of Seattle, Washington. Weapons Free means the marines can shoot whatever they see -- it's all considered hostile.

Our humvees pass by a body of a man in the center of the street. There is hole through his left eyes socket where a Marine sniper round passed cleanly through.

Down another side street is the body of a second man. This one dressed in clean white sneakers and athletic pants. He is on his back -- his arms behind his head, his face seems nearly peaceful, content. Not far from him--a Russian-made Dragonov sniper rifle. From the black ammo vest strapped to his chest loose 7.62 rounds have spilled to the ground.

The Marines I'm embedded with are nearly ebullient. This looks to be a cakewalk.

One jokes they'll be sipping 'Pina Coladas by the Euphrates River by fifteen-hundred.'

There is the occasional popgun crack of an AK-47 being fired. Usually just single rounds so the shooter can avoid detection. These "nuisances are met with overwhelming firepower. The concussion from the main gun on an Abrams M1 tank is powerful enough to knock you off your feet if you get to close.

The deep "whoomps" flashing from their long muzzles echo across the city while Bradleys wind down their 25-millimeter cannons on suspicious targets.

Down every other alleyway a vehicles is engulfed in furious orange flames.

Black smoke billows from building in the distance.

Almost to a man -- the 3.1 Marines I'm embedded with have all lost friends in this protracted war of attrition. They are eager "to get some," to pay "haji" back for the car bombs and IED's (improvised explosive devices) that have killed or maimed so many of their brother "Devil Dogs."



They are extremely likeable -- these young Marines -- full of bravado and easygoing about the danger that surrounds them. Some thumb through Maxim Magazine, others the Bible while the wait patiently to reign down death and destruction on their enemies.

"We're going to let loose the dogs of war," says Staff Sgt. Mortimer, "before the Falluja offensive begins. "It will be hell," he says, smiling after.

This levity continues until the Marines turn the corner onto a main street they've tactically dubbed, "Elizabeth."

Despite the constant weapons fire and explosion that have accompanied our advance -- this one is different -- it's directed at the Marines. As a squad from India Company passes by a way with a spray painted rocket propelled grenade launcher -- a real RPG round explodes against it. One Marines' face is burned by the powder and hot gas -- another has caught shrapnel in the leg, a third has been shot in the finger by the small arms fire that followed. The Marines are outraged. They turn their M-16's on the building to the west where they believe the shooter is hiding. But that's just an appetizer.

A gunner sitting in the armored turret of a humvee fires 40-millimeter grenades non-stop into the building -- until the gun jams.

Staff Sgt. Terry Mcelwain of Burden, Kansas is pissed. He grabs the bazooka-like AT-4 rocket launcher from the back of another humvee. It's fire trail zips into the now smoking building. Mcelwain wants Weapons Company to fire a tow missile into it as well, but low hanging electrical wires make it impossible -- so he calls up the tanks instead.

Two Abrams lumber toward the target. They stop and fire their main guns in unison. The explosion shakes the street. But the Marines aren't done yet.
They pour in more rounds from 50 caliber machine guns and their M16's.

But as the unit moves past the building, going from east to west, another RPG explodes behind them, then a third. More casualties. A Navy Corpsman cut the pants leg off one of the injured and wraps a guaze dressing around the bleeding wound while another Marine covers with a 249-SAW (squad Assault Weapon). But regardless of how much firepower the Marines bring to bear -- they can't seem to silence this phantom enemy, which continues to fire on them from the rear.

Then insurgent snipers begin firing in front of the Marines as well. One round pierces the Kevlar helmet a twenty-year old Mark 19 gunner -- in my vehicle. He is badly wounded. He's put in a canvas stretcher and six Marines run through the streets carrying him to a waiting military ambulance.

Shortly after -- another RPG round hits a humvee, but doesn't explode. The Marines are rattled but uninjured. A Marine who has caught shrapnel in the face is led to the safety of an empty storefront -- his eyes bandaged shut -- his hands outstretched -- probing the air in front of him.
The Marines know they are being hunted. Boxed from the east and the west in a treacherous kill zone by an enemy they can feel -- but can't see. Their superior firepower is checked by the insurgent's knowledge of the city -- their cunning in using blind alleyways and the crooks and crannies of buildings to pick off the Marines.

The gun battle continues late into the night -- eventually an AC-130 gunship is called in and strafes Elizabeth Street with its mini guns. With eight of their men wounded--it is a bloody and disappointing start for the Marines -- and a reminder that to win the battle for Falluja -- they will likely have to fight as they did today block by block, street by street.
3 posted on 11/10/2004 1:24:54 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: yonif

Just dont tell the iraqi people, they would rather our men be killed than use life saving methods learned from zionist pigs.


4 posted on 11/10/2004 1:25:57 PM PST by hoosierboy
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To: yonif

Israeli Tactics . . . winning ? LOL


5 posted on 11/10/2004 1:27:29 PM PST by ChadGore (59,459,765 Bush fans can't be wrong.)
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To: finnman69

God bless you, Marines.


6 posted on 11/10/2004 1:29:24 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: finnman69

This seems to be a liitle behind, like 3 days old.Keep up with the action and read other posts on Fallujah, that are more current.


7 posted on 11/10/2004 1:31:27 PM PST by nothernlights
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To: ChadGore

Do the terms 1948, 1957, 1968 and 1973 ring a bell?


8 posted on 11/10/2004 1:31:58 PM PST by MindBender26 (Al Queda, Taliban, Dan Rather, Jessie Jackson, Osama Bin Laden: Same slime, different uniforms.)
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To: RtWngr

Simple Technique: MOAB


9 posted on 11/10/2004 1:32:19 PM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: finnman69

awesome post


10 posted on 11/10/2004 1:33:07 PM PST by Mikey_1962
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To: RtWngr

I wonder if they have some on-site Israeli advisors....


11 posted on 11/10/2004 1:33:29 PM PST by traumer
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To: hoosierboy

Are there any threads from the people in the states from Iraq about what is going on there right now? Any one know?

Just curious


12 posted on 11/10/2004 1:33:46 PM PST by ezo4
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To: yonif

Great


13 posted on 11/10/2004 2:01:15 PM PST by Flavius ("... we should reconnoitre assiduosly... " Vegetius)
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To: yonif
Happy Birthday Marines!!!
14 posted on 11/10/2004 2:24:25 PM PST by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: ChadGore

"Israeli Tactics . . . winning ? LOL"

As opposed to?


15 posted on 11/10/2004 2:27:15 PM PST by adam_az (Nov. 3, 2004: Our Republic is Secure!)
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To: yonif
We have learned a lot regarding urban warfare tactics in the Middle East from our allies," an official said. "Yes, this includes Israel."

Allies? As in more than 1? Who? Where? With all due respect to those nations which helped us out in Iraq, which of our other allies has sufficient experience in urban warfare in the Middle East from which we, already quite experienced in it, could benefit? In fact, other than England, what other allies besides Israel are there? I'm sure that the English had something to contribute (they always do, you don't run the world for a couple hundred years for being stupid), but we've had FAR more experience in Mideast urban warfare in the last 2 years than them. Who else is there?

That all being said, I understand why it was said in this manner. It is just that this is like camoflaging Rosie O'Fatso with one of Angelina Jolie's smaller dresses - it just doesn't fit.

16 posted on 11/10/2004 2:27:22 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: yonif

21st Century warfighting at its finest. Keep the good press coming.


17 posted on 11/10/2004 2:36:48 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Its time to spend some political capital... Ouch that has to hurt liberals.)
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To: msdrby

ping


18 posted on 11/10/2004 2:39:16 PM PST by Professional Engineer (lim GPA -> 0 ENGR = B.A.)
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To: traumer
I wonder if they have some on-site Israeli advisors....

My guess is too risky if discovered by the Arab Muslim world.
Much more likely is Marine instructors and trainers has some 4 week training sessions in Israel. And then schooled their charges in Israeli tactics. Furthermore, we probably improved on what Israel did.

Very likely that Israeli sniper tactics against Arab Jihadists was also included. My bet is 80% it was. Have to understand that Arab Jihadist mindset and habits and the local Jews of Israel do.

19 posted on 11/10/2004 2:40:12 PM PST by dennisw (G_D - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: yonif

Once you can get Israel to fight, they are genius at it.


20 posted on 11/10/2004 2:41:23 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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