Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Sorry, only millionaires can retire
yahoo ^ | 11-10-04 | Paul B. Farrell

Posted on 11/10/2004 6:17:26 PM PST by LouAvul

Hey boomers, if you're close to retirement run to Wal-Mart now and put in your application. And if you still have time before retirement, be forewarned. Keep that application handy.

Why? Because you have no choice but to work right up to the day the kids put you in long-term care or a mausoleum.

Seriously: Professional financial planners tell us we need a million bucks to retire today, multimillions in the near future. Unfortunately, the average American has a paltry net worth of $15,000 exclusive of home equity.

And things are going from bad to worse. A few years ago I ran across a study by the American Savings Council and the Employee Benefit Research Institute. Was anybody saving for retirement? Not many: Only 35 percent were 'Planners,' folks saving enough to retire comfortably.

The rest? Bad news: 13 percent were 'Deniers,' saving nothing; 15 percent were 'Impulsives,' consumers who save if there's anything left over after they buy that hot new toy; 20 percent were 'Strugglers,' who don't trust the market so they won't save much; and 18 percent were in the 'Cautious' category who know they're grossly unprepared.

Get it? Two out of three Americans had some kind of lame excuse for not planning their retirement: "I'm cautious, I'm struggling, I'm too impulsive, I'm in denial and can't save." Excuses, excuses, excuses. No wonder America's savings rate dropped from eight percent just 20 years ago to one percent today.

.......snip..........

And do not count on, privatization of Social Security to help you. That's another joke. If you're lucky playing the market with your dinky 2.4 percent Social Security account, you might make an extra couple hundred bucks a month. But don't count on it. Market risks may make things worse than the current system of guaranteed payments.

(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: millionaires; retirement
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-107 next last
To: hoot2
Where do you get your figures? $350,000; should take care of you.

Well, hoot. How many years is that $350k gonna stretch. I expect to retire at 55 (in 5 years). My finance guy sez I need $750k for a life expectancy of just 75.

But my plan is to touch as little of the principle as possible. My FIL, on the other hand, plans to use his retirement funds up and bounce the check to the undertaker.

61 posted on 11/10/2004 8:13:47 PM PST by woofer (Michael Moore, who's your daddy now?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: woofer
"Where do you get your figures? $350,000; should take care of you. "

Paine Webber. Baseline; my case.

62 posted on 11/10/2004 8:25:58 PM PST by hoot2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: xrp

Okay, and if your life savings investments were destroyed in a flood caused by the local county commissioners diverting flood control funds to their pet projects (as mine were) you should do what?

Sue?
Yea, did that, got about 8¢ on the dollar of my losses, lawyers took about 40%.

Turning 50 next May, and will be scraping by until I drop.
SS promises me about $500 Mo., in the unlikely event I live long enough to collect!
I knew SS was a Ponzi scheme, that's why I had invested for retirement.

"S" happens, I know, but it appears that you think anyone who has not "made it" is solely responsible for their predicament. Some may be, but not all. The real world is not that simple.


63 posted on 11/10/2004 9:34:43 PM PST by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: LouAvul
I'm a Financial Advisor, and from my experience, it's very common for people to have nearly $ 1 million (in ASSETS, not necessarily cash) saved for retirement by the time they are in their 50s and 60s.

These "millionaires" aren't the "rich" we all keep hearing about, they're just regulaar everyday folks that have saved here and there their whole lives.

64 posted on 11/10/2004 9:54:48 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ptlurking

1 million sounds like a lot but for a 20 yr old today if thats all they have in the bank 40 years from now they will be far from rich.

Not saying don't save instead saying SAVE MORE !!!


65 posted on 11/10/2004 9:56:58 PM PST by festus (All Your Electoral Votes Are Belong To Us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
you should do what?

Not forcibly take my money, or anyone else's. How about that?

66 posted on 11/11/2004 4:49:35 AM PST by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: LouAvul
Something else that I recently noticed is that the way things are going, the "American Dream" of buying a house, paying it off while you're working, and then retiring and living in it till the end of your days will probably be going away soon.

When I bought my house 12 years ago, my homeowners insurance and property taxes that were rolled into my mortgage payments were just under $78 a month. Now, 12 years later, they're just a few cents short of $209 a month! I should have the house paid off in about another 8 or 9 years, as I've got a 30 year mortgage and pay extra principal every month, but I'm wondering what will happen: Will my property taxes and insurance tripple again in another 12 or 15 years? That will mean that I'll be paying what I'm paying right now (including that extra principal) just to be able to keep my house!

Something to think about...

Mark

67 posted on 11/11/2004 5:18:35 AM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Citizen Tom Paine

Wow... I just has the same thought and posted it a while back... In 12 years, my homeowners insurance and property taxes nearly trippled.

Mark


68 posted on 11/11/2004 5:21:40 AM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: LouAvul

bump for later reading


69 posted on 11/11/2004 5:53:17 AM PST by ConservativeBamaFan (We know too much, and are convinced of too little. -T.S. Elliot (for some, it's just the opposite!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JanetteS
America must cut Social Security benefits and raise taxes by 40 percent to 50 percent.

Oh yeah, great idea. That way, people will have to be totally dependent upon government for their very survival, which is probably what this pinhead had in mind in the first place.

70 posted on 11/11/2004 5:56:05 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Graybeard58

I hope I'm heading in your direction regarding early retirement. I've always believed in living slightly below ones means and save the remainder. May I ask what your rule of thumb was for retirement savings? Did you set out to save xx% of your earnings? If yes, was it 10%, 15% etc? Did you invest in stocks that were volatile, chancy, stable, etc? Do you think the 90's tech bubble stock market allowed you to retire so early? Have you reduced your spending significantly in order to retire so early? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.


71 posted on 11/11/2004 6:05:25 AM PST by OB1kNOb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: OB1kNOb

You have mail.


72 posted on 11/11/2004 6:39:10 AM PST by Graybeard58
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: Mike-o-Matic
Take a look at this cute little bungalow here. It lists for $104,900 and its taxes are about $800 a year. It's in a neighborhood that has had a big Bosnian influx (very nice people) and has appreciated sizeably in the past 2 years. The schools stink but they do all over St. Louis city, and retired people aren't worried about that anyway.

Older people who would want to make their money work for them could buy something like this bungalow duplex. Its taxes are $1057 per year and with the other side rented, an elderly couple could live pretty well.

No, these aren't my relatives' houses I'm trying to unload - I went to realtor.com and just picked some of the first cute looking bungalows I could find. In St. Louis, at least, there are *tons* of properties like this out there.

73 posted on 11/11/2004 7:35:26 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: GOP_1900AD

Thanks, I feel so much better now.


74 posted on 11/11/2004 10:56:24 AM PST by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: LouAvul

I ahve run the numbers. One million is the bottom.


75 posted on 11/11/2004 10:58:29 AM PST by DOGEY
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Graybeard58
Save and invest was preached to me from the time I first started working. It was good advice then and it still is.

My parents and grandparents started preaching that to me when I was still in the cradle.
You're right. It does work.

76 posted on 11/11/2004 11:02:18 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Fiddlstix
I retired 10 years ago....We own investment property, a ranch, river front acreage, and have a couple of mil in annuities, small cap investments, money market funds, and stock in gas and oil companies. Everything is paid for, free and clear. I'm eligible for SS this year and it will go for vacation funds....not much there...

Cardinal rule for doing this is to work for yourself. You cannot amass any wealth working for someone else; all you do is make them rich.....

77 posted on 11/11/2004 11:11:53 AM PST by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: Chuckster

LOL ;)


78 posted on 11/11/2004 12:05:58 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: OregonRancher

Rich Dad Poor Dad 101 ... true assets yield cash flow in a more or less continuous manner, or, at very least, continously appreciate to such a degree that they can later be converted to procure true assets. Everything else is a liability.


79 posted on 11/11/2004 12:07:50 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

That seems about right. That's my plan.


80 posted on 11/11/2004 12:09:19 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-107 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson