SARIN GAS FOUND IN FALLUJAH

NPR ^ | 11/11/04

[southparkGOP]

You'll need speakers to hear this. Embedded NPR reporter with Bravo Company, 1st Marine Battalion, 3rd Regiment, found suitcase with Sarin nerve gas. Unclear where it came from. In either case, war is justified because WMD have been found, or if it's Al Qaeda's I'd much rather it brought to Iraq to fight our military than brought to New York.

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=4164561

[AndyTheBear]

It is already public record that there are WMDs in Iraq, and that the WMD program was gathering momentum under the corruption of the U.N Oil for Food program. However, it still appears that there are no more large stockpiles of WMD as there was in the 90s.

[cake_crumb]

"Okay. So the terrorists have WMD but they just don't know it?"

Of course some of them know it.

"Why don't Rumsfeld or Cheney or Bush or Powell trot this out as the proof of the WMD and announce they have now proved the WMD thing?"

1 : Because the example I gave you was preemptively discounted by the mass media as : old and outdated, not constitutiong a "stockpile" of WMD and not a WMD, during the festivities leading up to what the left, including the Propaganda Machine, prayed would be the defeat of President Bush.

2: Because a tactical miscalculation two years ago resulted in a temporary inability to fight the propaganda machine. They should never have let the left, led by the Dictator's Society (UN) define for the public the reasons we were going to finish the Gulf War. They did it. They paid the price. We'll see if having a mandate cnages the tone at all. Kepp your fingers crossed.

You can I have been over this before, ever since Rummy was misquoted by the media as saying the Brits were about to pull out of the WOT before military action ever began in Iraq. You believed the media spin, I insisted he'd been misquoted (copied and pasted his entire answer for context) and that we had NOT lost the flipping Brits. Turned out I was right.

Now for what you didn't ask: the finding or not of WMD only justifies our actions - or not - in the eyes of the media and those who prefer spin to fact. As far as the president stated many times, beginning on September 20 2001, we are justifed many times over in ending the Gulf War. Finally.

IMO, the administration didn't communicate well enough the many reasons that the world needed to be put out of Saddam's misery. Wmd were only one of many reasons

Be happy. Saddam's in prison and his lap puppy is finally dead. Perhaps ther's hope for peace yet.

[cake_crumb]

"Do you know which doc the shells are in?"

I skimmed the entire thing a long time ago and am too sick today to try it again...but I believe Volume I.

[fooman]

16 May 2004: 152mm Binary Chemical
Improvised Explosive Device
A military unit near Baghdad Airport reported a suspect
IED along the main road between the airport and
the Green Zone (see fi gure 2). The munitions were
remotely detonated and the remaining liquid tested
positive in ISG fi eld labs for the nerve agent Sarin and
a key Sarin degradation product.
The partially detonated IED was an old prototype
binary nerve agent munitions of the type Iraq declared
it had fi eld tested in the late 1980s. The munitions
bear no markings, much like the sulfur mustard round
reported on 2 May (see Figure 3). Insurgents may
have looted or purchased the rounds believing they
were conventional high explosive 155mm rounds. The
use of this type of round as an IED does not allow
suffi cient time for mixing of the binary compounds
and release in an effective manner, thus limiting the
dispersal area of the chemicals.
Historical context: Iraq only declared its work
on binary munitions after Husayn Kamil fl ed
Iraq in 1995, and even then only claimed to
have produced a limited number of binary
rounds that it used in fi eld trials in 1988. UN
investigations revealed a number of uncertainties
surrounding the nature and extent of Iraq’s
work with these systems and it remains unclear
how many rounds it produced, tested, declared,
or concealed from the UN.
16 May 2004: 10 155mm Chemical Rounds
A military team interrupted a group of Iraqi individuals
attempting to bury multiple projectiles at a
location near Canal Road in Baghdad (see fi gure 4).
The individuals fl ed the site when fi red upon, and
the military team captured multiple artillery rounds
and other weapons at the site. ISG’s fi eld labs tested
the recovered 155mm rounds and found some trace
amounts of sulfur mustard and sulfur mustard degradation
products in a few of the rounds. Technical
experts found that each round contained a ruptured
burster tube—inconsistent with UN destruction
practices—suggesting that either Iraq unilaterally
destroyed the rounds or looters attempted to drain
residual agent from them (see fi gure 5).
Historical context: Iraq declared in its 1996
Full, Final, and Complete Declaration (FFCD)
that it produced 68,000 155mm sulfur mustard-
fi lled rounds between 1981 and 1990. Of those
produced, Iraq has not been able to account
for the location or destruction of 550 155 mm
shells. The bulk of 155mm destruction occurred
between 1993 and 1994 and many of the log
entries show that the mustard was partly polymerized,
which is consistent with our fi ndings in
the recent sulfur mustard rounds.
16 June 2004: Two 122mm SAKR-18 Artillery
Rockets
An Iraqi source turned over to Polish Forces two
122mm rockets obtained at the Khamisiyah Depot—a
former CW storage site declared by Iraq to have
housed 122mm fi lled rockets (see Figure 6). Details
about the provenance of these rounds remain unclear
but the source Sarin/Cyclosarin believes the missiles
were housed in a bunker struck during the Gulf war
and subsequently hidden in canals and lakes in the
area. Analysis of the liquid residue revealed the nerve
agents Sarin (GB) and Cyclosarin (GF) as well as a
number of impurities and known degradation products
of GB and GF. Given the age, leakage, decomposition
of nerve agent, and small quantity of remaining
liquid, these rounds would have limited, if any,
impact if used by insurgents against Coalition Forces
(see Figure 7).
Historical context: Iraq declared having produced
the following numbers of 122mm nerve
agent rockets, but made no distinction in its
declaration about the type of sarin fi ll: GB, GF,
or GB/GF mix. We suspect, based on data from
the declaration and the UNSCOM 239 Report
that GB/GF-fi lled rockets were included in the
1988 and 1990 declaration fi gures. Although
the origin of these rockets has not been clearly
stated, the Khamisiyah Ammunition Storage
Depot where the rockets were found has a long
history of CW storage, Coalition bombing, and
UN investigation.

[cake_crumb]

Rummy was really great in that presser. It was obvious he was glad to be back. The press corps seemed to be glad too.

[fooman]

I searched the ~ doc for shell and did not find.

I actually downloaded the 86 MEG doc from the CIA site (cute trick huh, the CIA site says that they KNOW it will limit downloading to only those who have broadband HA!)

[cake_crumb]

Arg, what happened to the formatting??

[fooman]

Edit:

The small doc states that there no current sarin manufacturing capability. The big docs actually contian the damning info.

Looks like dsinfo to me. But then we know the CIA has been leaking info to the press to harm the administration.

[fooman]

I did a quick cut and paste from the 86 meg PDF doc.

[fooman]

The above extract was taken from page 99 of volume three..

[fooman]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1277673/posts


New thread on the new RUSSIAN test kits.

[international american]

If Rather opens his big mouth again,I might want to borrow your Mossberg.

[cake_crumb]

It'll download to anyone. Remember you're searching by page. I'm downloadinf Volume III right now...maybe the reference was in there.

[fooman]

It was volume III. On page 99.


They had WMD. No doubt about it. They most elements in place to produce more WMD.

What saved us is they did not store it properly or handle it properly.

Wonder if anyone wants to try out the russian 'test kits' aberdeen?

[cake_crumb]

Thanks!

[Anti-Bubba182]

New rebel tactics emerge in Fallujah

"..In the course of locating seven weapons caches in a single block around a mosque in northeast Fallujah, an Iraqi platoon Wednesday found a suitcase full of vials labeled "Sarin," a deadly nerve agent.

While further analysis determined that the find was probably part of a Soviet test kit with samples, its discovery in a room with mortar shells appeared to indicate an intent to weaponize the material..."

[cake_crumb]

Trying to download Volume III right now.

[fooman]

Thank you.

What gets me is the same MSM that has been corrupt about forged doxs and the oil for palaces program would not want to suppress this.

[Paperdoll]

Ain't that a gas?

[DocRock]

"The soldiers must not have read the IAEA report that says there is none."

This IAEA article says the U.S. Forces cannot remove 500 tons of Uranium south of Bagdad. This article is dated May of this year and I believe the UN didn't want anyone to know about this and released the "high explosives" info with the help of the media as a cover-up.


I keep this info on my homepage along with details regarding Al-qa-qaa.

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