SARIN GAS FOUND IN FALLUJAH

NPR ^ | 11/11/04

[momf]

"But I don't need or want NPR to tell me this WMD stuff. I want to hear Rumsfeld or Bush say it on the record, backed up by lab tests from our military experts."

I agree, completely. With NPR changing the story in mid stream, I trust them as much as that old mare I used to have. The one who liked to try target practice any time I got behind her. Too bad we can't break NPR like I did her - broke my good broom across her b*tt! 8)

[momf]

"But I don't need or want NPR to tell me this WMD stuff. I want to hear Rumsfeld or Bush say it on the record, backed up by lab tests from our military experts."

I agree, completely. With NPR changing the story in mid stream, I trust them as much as that old mare I used to have. The one who liked to try target practice any time I got behind her. Too bad we can't break NPR like I did her - broke my good broom across her b*tt! 8)

[SupplySider]

I think the administration was somewhat deceptive about WMD, and that they were right to be. They pushed that issue to get UN approval (which never came) and a coalition, knowing that a vague future threat of Saddam handing off WMDs to terrorists, though very very real, would not sell. I think they also felt that a Democracy in the heart of the Middle East was necessary, though that also would not sell as a reason to enforce the UN resolution against Saddam.

Thank you Mr. President for doing what needed to be done by allowing the world to misunderestimate you one more time. Without your actions the sanctions would have collapsed and, in due time, Sarin probably would have been found in a mall in St Louis or Seattle instead of Faluja.

[Valin]

I suppose it's possible to transfer a WMD arsenal to Syria (Lebanon is Syria). But it would take an awful lot of shipping and I think we were watching pretty close with our planes and satellites.


Yossef Bodansky says that they're in Syria in his latest book "The Secret History of the Iraq War".
unfortunately he gives no sources or footnotes on this, or anything else in the book.

[Valin]

I hope you're right.

One of my favorite quotes about Rummy comes from Tom Friedman.

http://www.autentico.org/oa09589.php


"No, the axis-of-evil idea isn't thought through — but that's what I like about it. It says to these countries and their terrorist pals: "We know what you're cooking in your bathtubs. We don't know exactly what we're going to do about it, but if you think we are going to just sit back and take another dose from you, you're wrong. Meet Don Rumsfeld — he's even crazier than you are."

There is a lot about the Bush team's foreign policy I don't like, but their willingness to restore our deterrence, and to be as crazy as some of our enemies, is one thing they have right. It is the only way we're going to get our turkey back."

[pray4liberty]

The MSM will be reporting that sarin gas doesn't officially fall into the category of WMD according to specific UN guidelines.

Nah, it's just rat poison. /sarcasm off

[BigSkyFreeper]

Karl Rove planted it there! /sarcasm

[George W. Bush]

With NPR changing the story in mid stream, I trust them as much as that old mare I used to have. The one who liked to try target practice any time I got behind her.

I recall our old palomino mare. I only made the mistake of trusting her once. Still have the scar on my leg.

After delivering another colt (which I broke and was my first horse), dad sent her to town. He'd developed a grudge, it seems.

From your remarks, I'm sure you're familiar with such horse grudges.

[George W. Bush]

Yossef Bodansky says that they're in Syria in his latest book "The Secret History of the Iraq War". unfortunately he gives no sources or footnotes on this, or anything else in the book.

Well, there's the problem, eh? We can all air opinions if we don't have proof.

I think that CIA and Mossad probably do know where they went if they fell into other hands. Like some others here on the thread, I'm sure we don't know the whole story on the WMD. There's no doubt he had them. Their almost complete absence in Iraq makes me very suspicious, given how much of it he was known to have previously. I've wondered before if maybe it was buried in a cave by our bombing in Afghanistan or some other such fate. And I think about how Saddam sent some of his air force planes to Iran for safekeeping in GW I (they never did give them back). And his escape routes and those of his top administration.

Possibly by the time we find out what happened to them, it'll just be a historical footnote.

[Valin]

I always say when asked about them, "Yes where are they? Either he didn't have them and every intelligence agency in the world was wrong, or he had them and they're hidden some where."

[momf]

"From your remarks, I'm sure you're familiar with such horse grudges"

She did have a bad attitude. Mine was worse. 8)

[momf]

"From your remarks, I'm sure you're familiar with such horse grudges"

She did have a bad attitude. Mine was worse. 8)

[Grassontop]

Or a strong enough trail to show what happened to it.

Is it possible that Bush will produce the evidence of where the WMD's are before his MANDATE? That sure would be hellfire to the demonrats, don't you think? I hope for something like that to happen. Grassontop

[Bob Hyneman]

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=11a4b04a-d0ee-4a42-8770-6fbc41951bf1

". . . Coalition troops also found seven weapons caches and a suitcase full of vials labelled Sarin in a single block around a mosque in the northeastern section of the city.

While further analysis determined the find was probably part of a Soviet test kit with samples, the discovery of the deadly nerve gas in a room with mortar shells appeared to indicate an intent to weaponize the material. . . ."

[ANDY72632]

You are correct about the disinformation. They do not manufacture Sarin. They import the necessary Binary components for use in artillery shells,bombs,and mortar shells. Only upon launching the shell from a rifled barrel does the membrane rupture and the enclosed mechanism mix the chemicals to form Sarin which is then dispersed by an explosive charge upon contact with the target. Bombs had to be mixed by manually or mechanically revolving them in the plane or helicopter before they were dropped on the intended target.

[Tommyjo]

A Patriot is surface to air missile.

[KurtAZ]

Actually "irregardless", while not being a "formal English word" has found a following as a casual term that has become accepted...sorry I am not an English major, I don't write in proper English all the time, I am an American and bastardize the "proper English language" any time I am able. :) Much to the disdain of my British friends of course.

irregardless

adv : regardless; a combination of irrespective and regardless sometimes used humorously

[KurtAZ]

My apologies...I mis-spoke. Probably a Harpoon or some other missle that was used for bunker busting during Desert Storm. I was a tanker, not a missle systems expert.