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Kerry loss triggers local angst, resolve [Buffaloed Buffaloan's herding for Canada]
Buffalo News ^ | 11/13/2004 | By MARK SOMMER

Posted on 11/13/2004 8:23:19 AM PST by johnny7

John F. Kerry returns to the U.S. Senate. But what about his die-hard supporters - or the voters who chose Kerry but would have settled for anyone but Bush?

They stray between anger and outrage, frustration and despair. What's happened to their country, they wonder? How could George W. Bush - a man they consider remarkably unreflective, an intellectual lightweight and someone they believe deliberately misled the country into war - have won? Ralph Wahlstrom, a Buffalo State College English professor, said he still has trouble accepting Bush's re-election a week and a half later. "I've never felt like this before, and I've voted in every election since I was 18," said Wahlstrom, a 51-year-old, Vietnam-era Navy veteran. Some Kerry voters are angry and upset. Others are slowly recommitting to future battles. And a few, like Charlene Angle of Buffalo, are looking longingly to Canada. Angle's family owns two cottages in Minden, north of Toronto, and she's thought about moving there permanently some day. "It's very scary what's going on here. Being a woman, I expect my rights to be taken away left and right," said Angle, a medical secretary.

Moving van to Canada

Angle isn't alone in imagining a moving van hauling her possessions north of the border. On the day after the election, the number of U.S. visitors to Canada's main immigration Web site jumped from an average of 20,000 to 115,016 - a nearly sixfold increase that practically doubled the previous record. Canada is laying out the welcome mat to new residents. Unlike most large countries, the nation of 32 million has a permanent immigration program. Recently, the minister of citizenship and immigration announced a goal of 220,000 to 240,000 new immigrants and refugees for 2005. In recent years, 2 to 3 percent of immigrants to Canada have been from the United States - the same percentage that made the move following the closely contested 2000 presidential race. If this country becomes more conservative, Angle said, she may move to more socially liberal Canada.

So might Buffalo piano teacher Tim Socha, who has dealt with his post-election blues by recently looking at property in Canada with his roommate. "We toyed with the idea for the weekend, at least. It was nice to imagine, although right now it's more of a fantasy," Socha said.

Easy transition,p>It's relatively easy to make a new life in English-speaking Canada: Potential immigrants can apply to become a permanent resident, a process that takes about a year. Or someone can choose to live in the country on a long-term basis by getting a work permit and finding a job. Colin Eager, executive director of the Western New York Peace Center, won't be one of them. He's committed to working for change at home - especially when he thinks about the prospect of new U.S. Supreme Court judges voting to overturn the Roe v. Wade abortion ruling, opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling or the prospect of more "pre-emptive" wars. "The first thing those in progressive movements need to do is get over the shock of the moment and realize there is a huge body of people out there that agree with us," Eager said. "Then we have to start doing what we can to mobilize them, and take other actions besides voting every four years."

Distress over the election results even showed up in many therapy sessions at the University at Buffalo, according to Christine Calmes, assistant director of the Psychological Services Center. "This has been a topic at many sessions that therapists have had with existing clients," Calmes said. Colin O'Malley, a student activist and junior at the University at Buffalo, said he was disappointed by Bush's victory, but is trying to look ahead. With Democrats and independents in the minority of a Republican-controlled White House and Congress, he is focusing on trying to shape public opinion outside electoral politics. Canisius College political scientist Michael Haselswerdt said a number of people distraught by Bush's victory can be expected to disengage from politics. "A professional (politician) looks at long-term gain - you're going to win some and lose some," Haselswerdt said. "The amateur is attracted to politics usually by some passionate issue or personality, and they think everything is riding on this one election. Those are the people who will have a very hard time with a loss, and typically leave politics after that experience."

Two acts of vandalism in the Buffalo area were linked to the election results. On Nov. 4, rocks were thrown through the windows of the Republican Party's downtown headquarters in the Statler Towers and also at a Town of Tonawanda military recruitment center. A letter reportedly claimed the actions were in reaction to the Republican agenda and the Iraq war. Jennifer Gold, a speech-language pathologist who lives in Buffalo, admitted feeling "despondent, hopeless and helpless" ever since Ohio's declaration as a red state sealed Bush's victory. "We're in danger of losing everything we've ever worked for, from the environment to Social Security," said Gold. "People are talking about leaving the country - that's how depressed they feel. And the people who voted Bush in will say, "Good. Leave.' "They should be asking why. What has happened that has made their fellow citizens so desolate about the democratic system?"

e-mail: msommer@buffnews.com


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: angst; bipolardisorder; brainwashed; crazy; delusional; democrats; dnc; dramaqueens; extremists; fools; insane; kerrydefeat; leftwing; paranoid; poorlosers; psychotic; schizophrenia; whacko
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"It's very scary what's going on here. Being a woman, I expect my rights to be taken away left and right,"

"This has been a topic at many sessions that therapists have had with existing clients,"

This confirms my opinion that many of these Bush-haters are mentally disturbed. An ardent socialist or communist can at least fall back on his/her doctrine until the next election.

These L-O-S-E-R-S just ball-up in the fetal position and whine! Can you imagine being stuck with people like this in some kind of life-threatening situation?!

1 posted on 11/13/2004 8:23:19 AM PST by johnny7
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More schadenfruede for my amusement. A gift that keeps on giving.

5.56mm

2 posted on 11/13/2004 8:24:57 AM PST by M Kehoe
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And the people who voted Bush in will say, "Good. Leave.' "They should be asking why. What has happened that has made their fellow citizens so desolate about the democratic system?"

No, we shouldn't. We should be laughing at them. And we are.

3 posted on 11/13/2004 8:25:43 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: johnny7

I hope their pain is long and enduring.


4 posted on 11/13/2004 8:26:20 AM PST by Drango (NPR- When government funds a "news" outlet that has a bias...it's no longer news...it's propaganda.)
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To: johnny7

EXCELLENT!! My county may go red after all. The Peace bridge is sooooooo close. Get out, goodbye, adios.


5 posted on 11/13/2004 8:27:53 AM PST by AirForceMom (I have post-election elation syndrome)
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And the people who voted Bush in will say, "Good. Leave.'

Good. Leave.

6 posted on 11/13/2004 8:28:38 AM PST by NYpeanut (gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, "Why did you lie to me?")
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"And the people who voted Bush in will say, 'Good. Leave.' 'They should be asking why. What has happened that has made their fellow citizens so desolate about the democratic system?'"

Throwing rocks through windows is not part of the democratic system. Maybe you should challenge them THE LIBERAL WAY (you know about that?) and ask them WHY THEY HATE BUSH AND AMERICA. Maybe???


7 posted on 11/13/2004 8:29:11 AM PST by Norman Bates (Game over. Bush wins.)
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To: M Kehoe

I am all for these smelly, ugly lesbian atheists leaving this country for Canada. Good riddance, and don't come back.


8 posted on 11/13/2004 8:29:44 AM PST by nwrep
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To: Norman Bates
I'm not asking them anything. I have a friend I've know since we were both 1 ( 46 years), well she's not answering my e-mails anymore, just keeps sending anti Bush cr@p and conspiracy theories.
9 posted on 11/13/2004 8:31:40 AM PST by AirForceMom (I have post-election elation syndrome)
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"Being a woman, I expect my rights to be taken away left and right," said Angle, a medical secretary."

Perhaps you never really HAD the "right" to kill a genetically unique being. After all, DNA testing would prove the cells from this person were neither you nor your mate. A murder of convenience is still murder.


10 posted on 11/13/2004 8:32:03 AM PST by Socratic (More matters than oneself.)
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imagining a moving van hauling her possessions

So why doesn't she get up off her lazy arse and actually do it? Just pack up and go, the sooner the better.

11 posted on 11/13/2004 8:32:44 AM PST by barker (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home, Zell Miller on GWBush)
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"They should be asking why. What has happened that has made their fellow citizens so desolate about the democratic system?"


Uh, no. That's for them to figure out, and where they went wrong. They need to figure out why it is that they think something is wrong with the democratic system just because their guy lost.


12 posted on 11/13/2004 8:32:53 AM PST by KJC1
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To: Dog Gone


Oh Schadenfreude, Oh Schadenfreude, da-dah da-dah da da dahhhh...

I wish I could remember the rest of the words of that song - I've seen it posted here a few times ...

bye bye libs ... lol... eat michael moore and moveon... enjoy your trip to france - or canada ...


13 posted on 11/13/2004 8:33:53 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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But what about his die-hard supporters - or the voters who chose Kerry but would have settled for anyone but Bush?

That's it, there. Kerry has no "die-hard supporters"--only die-hard anti-Bush supporters. That's why it's pie-in-the-sky if he thinks he'll get the nomination next time around.

14 posted on 11/13/2004 8:34:14 AM PST by gop_gene
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How could George W. Bush - a man they consider remarkably unreflective, an intellectual lightweight and someone they believe deliberately misled the country into war - have won?

It would NEVER occur to them that they were WRONG...
15 posted on 11/13/2004 8:36:08 AM PST by Edgerunner (The left ain't right. Hand me that launch pickle...)
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To: AirForceMom

I've got an old friend like that, too...


16 posted on 11/13/2004 8:36:32 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: johnny7

"It's very scary what's going on here. Being a woman, I expect my rights to be taken away left and right,"


After reading some of the discussions at the DU i suspect some will lose their rights. After all attempting to find ways to point out places to attack conservatives to terrorists goes well beyond dissent.


17 posted on 11/13/2004 8:36:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
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To: AirForceMom

I was talking to the journalist in the hypothetical, of course. I don't expect anyone ot ask these cowards anything.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. That's awful of her and you need to state your dissaproval and make up, if possible. A day of people marking punch cards is a silly thing over which to lose a 45 year friendship.


18 posted on 11/13/2004 8:36:42 AM PST by Norman Bates (Game over. Bush wins.)
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To: AFPhys

Are you talking about the "Ode to Joy" from the last movement of Beethoven's 9th Symphony?


19 posted on 11/13/2004 8:38:34 AM PST by Norman Bates (Game over. Bush wins.)
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To: cripplecreek

Dear Lord! Are they really doing that??

I think someone needs to pass this on to the FBI. Seriously.


20 posted on 11/13/2004 8:39:38 AM PST by Norman Bates (Game over. Bush wins.)
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