[neverdem]

This clown is a glutton for punishment.

[GSlob]

Grip safety is a feature in Browning's 1911. I confess to being grossly ignorant, but the author writes about grip safeties in 19th century pistols, i.e. preceding Browning's design, and I've never heard of any such firearm. Is it a regular BS, or are there some exotic 19 century firearms for which it is true?

[The SISU kid]

"You can tell whether a camera is loaded by looking at it, and you should be able to tell whether a gun is loaded by looking at it," said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Professor Hemenway has written "Private Guns, Public Health," a brilliant and clear-eyed primer for the country.


You CAN tell if every gun is loaded, because, as a weapon
you have to assume that it is.

It's rule #1 in firearms safety.....

(at least it's how I was raised)

8^)

[airborne]

And once we've made guns safe, we can work on knives next!

Why, with those sharp metal edges, somebody is liable to cut themselves!

[Gorzaloon]

Moreover, it's clear that in this political climate, further efforts at gun control are a nonstarter. You can talk until you're blue in the face about the 30,000 gun deaths each year, about children who are nine times as likely to die in a gun accident in America as elsewhere in the developed world, about the $17,000 average cost (half directly borne by taxpayers) of treating each gun injury. But nationally, gun control is dead.

Hey, computer geeks! Let's help this guy out with his statstics! I cannot remember much BASIC any more, but I am sure many people can write him a nice stat generator! I haven't touched this stuff since the '80's so let's clean this up and help this guy's intellectual honesty so he doesn't have to actually make it up himself!

0 REM FAKE GUN STAT GENERATOR

10 N=(RND(1)*50000)

20 CH=(RND(1)*9)

30 D=(RND(1)*20000)

40 PRINT N:PRINT "GUN DEATHS PER YEAR"

50 PRINT CH:PRINT "LIKLIHOOD OF DEAD CHILDREN"

60 PRINT D: PRINT "COST OF GUN INJURIES"

70 INPUT F$: TYPE "MORE FAKE GUN STATS? Y/N"

80 IF F$="Y" THEN GOTO 10

90 IF F$="N" THEN TYPE "COMPUTERS NEVER LIE" :END

[dennisw]

This is unintentionally funny. I'm sure heads nod up and down in agreement when he runs this by his friends at Manhattan cocktail parties. Has this character ever changed the brakes or alternator on a car?

[AlaskaErik]

"You can tell whether a camera is loaded by looking at it, and you should be able to tell whether a gun is loaded by looking at it," said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center.

I can tell whether a gun is loaded or not. If it's disassembled, it's not loaded. If it's in one piece, it's loaded. That's not hard at all.

[Cicero]

For a minute there, I thought I was reading something sensible. "Democrats have made a big mistake by P***ing off the voters with gun control. Photo ops of kerry carrying a shotgun followed by a safari bearer with a dead goose didn't do the trick. So we need to confront this issue and admit that gun control was a mistake."

Then he goes on to say, "Instead of p***ing off the voters by making guns illegal, lets p*** them off by regulating guns out of existence."

Sure, that will really appease gun owners. What a jerk.

[dennisw]

What do guys who like this guy .....

think of this guy?

[gitmo]

Make gun serial numbers harder for criminals to remove.

Wonder how they plan on making the gun recognize it's a criminal removing the numbers.

[Caipirabob]

Egads, they haven't learned a thing.

GOOD!

[Hardastarboard]

"You can tell whether a camera is loaded by looking at it, and you should be able to tell whether a gun is loaded by looking at it,"

OK, I'm calling bu!!$h!t here. I owned a camera that you could work the film advance lever on, and it looked like you had taken X number of pictures, and thus that the camera was loaded. The only way you could definitively tell was by opening up the back.

I missed about 40 pictures on a trip once because of this very issue. This guy has no understanding of technology whatsoever, and is thus unqualified to comment on guns.

[snowsislander]

But nationally, gun control is dead.

And now let's start rolling back some of the existing gun control laws! We have the momentum on our side -- even the ultra-liberal, gun-grabbing Senator Kerry was running as a gunowner, and Mr. Kristof of the New York Times is conceding the issue -- we have changed the dynamic of the whole discussion. Now we should use that momentum to gain back some ground.

My first choice would be repealing the 1968 GCA, which would really put a kink in state laws that depend on it for definitions and regulatory bases.

[Freedom2specul8]

This guy is nutz.... This is further evidence that the blue states and their allies are totally clueless about gun control facts, true health issues, mental health issues, crime and self-defense.

Until they observe, listen and get educated about "our side" ...they will continue to push their agenda. They are so ignorant,they actually think that we are the ones who need education....as if they could possibly take a different route to reach their goal--and get *us* to get as brainwashed as them. HA! Good thing we think, read, and listen. sigh

[M Kehoe]

"You can tell whether a camera is loaded by looking at it, and you should be able to tell whether a gun is loaded by looking at it," said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Professor Hemenway has written "Private Guns, Public Health," a brilliant and clear-eyed primer for the country.

These clowns (Kristof included), just don't get it. Here is the simple solution to the problem posed above: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED, SO DON'T POINT ONE AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL!!! (Editorial comment only) DICKHEADs.

5.56mm

[Hardastarboard]

childproof pistols were sold back in the 19th century - they wouldn't fire unless the shooter put pressure on the handle as well as the trigger.

I had to jump in here again after I read this more thoroughly. NAME ONE, wise ass. I'm about as familiar with guns as anyone on this board, and I can't think of a single gun with this "feature" made in the 19th century, and only one that was made in the first part of the 20th (Colt 1911, of course). And that gun's not childproof - if they have it in their grip and pull the trigger, it will go off. What a F%%%%%g moron.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

[lodwick]

Sweet goodness.

[joesnuffy]

One emminet 'gun nut' once wrote in a letter to a friend of his....

"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them"

The gun nut was Thomas Jefferson and the friend he wrote these words to back in 1796 was George Washington.

[Ragnorak]

How about we try the classic liberal fallback-- education.

I don't mean PSAs; I'm talking about firearms training in school. If they're so big about sex ed and handing out condoms in school, why don't we try gun ed and handing out bullets? The new RAT battlecry-- "A Firing Range in Every School!"

Just trying to think like a lib...

[Zacs Mom]

My best advice on the guns and safety issue:

[Oorang]

Encourage doctors to counsel depressed patients not to keep guns

I read the AMA was asking their members to questions patients on gun ownership. What business is it of there's? If my doc evers ask me that he'll have to fill out and sign this:

FIREARMS SAFETY COUNSELING REPRESENTATION: Page 1
PHYSICIAN QUALIFICATIONS AND LIABILITY
Part One: Qualifications

I affirm that I am certified to offer (Name of Patient:), hereinafter referred to as "the Patient", qualified advice about firearms safety in the home, having received:
Specify Course(s) of Study: ______________________________
From: ______________________________________________________
Specify Institution(s) ____________________________________________________________
On: ________________________________________________________
Specify Course Completion Date(s): ______________________________________________________
Resulting in: _________________________________________________
Specify Accreditation(s), Certification(s), License(s) etc.: _____________________________________
Check one, as appropriate:
___ I represent that I have reviewed applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private firearms ownership. I further represent that I have reviewed all other relevant home safety issues with the Patient, including those relating to electricity, drains, disposals, compactors, garage doors, driveway safety, pool safety, pool fence codes and special locks for pool gates, auto safety, gas, broken glass, stored cleaning chemicals, buckets, toilets, sharp objects, garden tools, home tools, power tools, lawnmowers, lawn chemicals, scissors, needles, forks, knives, etc. I also acknowledge, by receiving this document, I have been made aware that, in his inaugural address before the American Medical Association on June 20, 2001, new president Richard Corlin, MD, admitted "What we don't know about violence and guns is literally killing us...researchers do not have the data to tell how kids get guns, if trigger locks work, what the warning signs of violence in schools and at the workplace are and other critical questions due to lack of research funding." (UPI). In spite of this admission, I represent that I have sufficient data and expertise to provide expert and clinically sound advice to patients regarding firearms in the home.

OR
___ I am knowingly engaging in Home/Firearms Safety Counseling without certification, license or formal training in Risk Management, and; I have not reviewed applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private firearms ownership.

Part Two: Liability
I have determined, from a review of my medical malpractice insurance, that if I engage in an activity for which I am not certified, such as Firearms Safety Counseling, the carrier (check one, as appropriate):
___ Will
___ Will not
Cover lawsuits resulting from neglect, lack of qualification, etc.
Insurance Carrier name, address and policy number insuring me for firearms safety expertise: ____________________________________________________________

I further warrant that, should the Patient follow my firearm safety counseling and remove from the home and/or disable firearms with trigger locks or other mechanisms, and if the patient or a family member, friend or visitor is subsequently injured or killed as a result of said removal or disabling, that my malpractice insurance and/or personal assets will cover all actual and punitive damages resulting from a lawsuit initiated by the patient, the patient's legal representative, or the patient's survivors.

Signature of attesting physician and date: ___________________________________________________