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Silenced priest warns of gay crisis
Washington Times ^ | November 15, 2004 | Julia Duin

Posted on 11/15/2004 5:28:41 AM PST by A. Pole

Starting today, 290 of the nation's Catholic bishops will meet at the Capitol Hyatt for their yearly business meeting[...]

Although it's been less than a year since the church revealed that there were 10,667 cases of abuse committed by 4,392 priests in a 50-year period, the message at the meeting will be that the crisis is under control.

But it's far from over, says a local Catholic priest who says the true source of the crisis is a priesthood that is "honeycombed" with homosexual clerics, especially in the Diocese of Arlington.

However, attempts by the Rev. James Haley, 48, to persuade his bishop of the problem have backfired. After hearing from the priest about numerous instances of homosexual activity among diocesan clergy, Arlington Bishop Paul Loverde ordered the priest silenced Oct. 23, 2001. This "precept of silence" — usually only employed during church trial proceedings — is rarely used to silence a whistleblower.

Thus, in the past three years, Father Haley's case, which also involves accusations of sexual misconduct against him, has become a cause celebre among many Catholics in the Diocese of Arlington.

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Father Haley says his only crime is his insistence that homosexual priests, not solely pedophiles, are at the root of the sexual-abuse crisis. The Catholic priesthood is demoralized, he says, by groups of homosexual clerics who control who gets admitted to seminary, which men get nominated for bishop and which priests get the plum parishes.

Based on his 17 years in the priesthood, he estimates that 60 percent of the Diocese of Arlington's 127 diocesan priests are homosexuals, which is high compared with national estimates of 30 percent to 50 percent from other authorities on the priesthood. [...]

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


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To: Savage Beast
Plenty of married men assault little boys. It has nothing to do with celibacy.

The simple fact is that it is contrary to canon law to admit a sodomite to a seminary. According to the law of the Church, someone who has a mental defect of any kind is not allowed to be ordained.

Then in the 1950s "progressive" dioceses began to have their seminarians evaluated by psychiatrists instead of novice masters.

In the 1960s the psychiatric profession stopped treating sodomitic predilections as a disease. The psychiatrists signed off on a clean bill of mental health for all sodomites starting in the late 60s/early 70s.

Hence the problem.

Not being married doesn't turn a person into a sodomite. Not being married doesn't turn a person into a pedophile. Psychologically normal priests who aren't cut out for celibacy get involved in affairs with women, they don't touch the kids.

21 posted on 11/15/2004 5:55:33 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Savage Beast
"As part of the soul-searching--so to speak--maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy."

I don't think so. Celibacy is a red herring...

The issue is Faith -Faith in action rather than Faith in concept.

22 posted on 11/15/2004 5:58:48 AM PST by DBeers
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To: A. Pole

If the priesthood is rife with homosexuals can nuns be far behind?

Much has been said about homosexuals in an all male environment, like the priesthood, but what about an all female environment? Can we not expect any same-sex environment to be an attractive place for homosexuals?

Homosexual priests are at the front of this crisis in the church, and that's as it should be, but little is said about what may be another problem that hasn't yet been spoken of.


23 posted on 11/15/2004 6:02:50 AM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: A. Pole

This issue of pedophilia and homosexuality is in some ways a separate issue. However, when the pedophile scandal hit the church a few years ago, I was quite suprised at the amount of push back that appeared when the issue of homosexuality and the priesthood appeared.

I am in the Archdiocese of Wash DC and Loverdale has had a huge problem on his hand. THe diocese of Arlington was always seen as a very conservative one, now this. He needs to clean things up now.


24 posted on 11/15/2004 6:03:01 AM PST by Trainer (9/11...Never forget, never forgive.)
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To: 2banana

I don't know. Maybe they go in with good motives, hoping to bury their temptations. One priest claimed, of the days when they went into the seminary at 16, that "at that age, you are programmed to fall in love."

My former parish does not even have a rectory. The priest has a house in some unknown location. The former priest was convicted of sexually abusing boys, and it is my belief that the present priest is also homosexual, although he may be celibate.

In my father in law's parish in NYC, the priest took the money from the building fund and bought a condo in Fire Island (pretty obvious) because he needed a place to "relax." He had the authority to use the funds as he saw fit.

A priest in Spring Lake has been charged with embezzling 500,000 dollars from the parish and setting up his young friend with a house and luxuries and a janatorial job at the church. The parishoners thought he was independently wealthy.

I would guess that perhaps 30% of priests I have known were homosexual. They may well have been celibate. But few of that number impressed me as good priests.

I have never seen a bishop who did not look sleek.

I think the priesthood and the bishops have not addressed the other temptations they face - power, the charge of money, luxury (at least for bishops). Throw in homosexuality, and you get an enormous cliquishness, and a sense of entitlement for sacrifices made.

There are good priests out there. They are not seeking power, or to climb the hierarchical ladder. May God call more of them, real men.


25 posted on 11/15/2004 6:06:29 AM PST by heartwood
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To: tkathy
"Denial is not going to solve this problem for the RCCs."

I wish the MSM would not limit focus on the immoral disordered homosexual agenda to that of just a Catholic phenomena... To do such is just Catholic bashing -homosexuality is a disordered condition everywhere -homosexual activity is an immoral abomination and should be exposed in all cases and considered with outrage in all instances...

26 posted on 11/15/2004 6:09:25 AM PST by DBeers
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To: A. Pole
...source of the crisis is a priesthood that is "honeycombed" with homosexual clerics...

In 1950 the USSR instructed their cells throughout the U. S. to begin introducing communists into the seminaries. They found a home there, and not much later the homosexuals did likewise.

The two God-less groups found they had much in common. The communists could continue to undermine morals and doctrines and the homosexuals could do their evil job of getting their satanist claws on the young.

This template for success was introduced into the Roman Catholic Church at large.

These facts, about what evil was lurking and undermining Christ's Church on earth, was known within the hierarchy. At first they didn't know what to do about it, but then tried desperately to ignore it.

Today it is a liberal, leftist, homosexual monster that is beyond control.

It's no wonder that millions, seeking a haven from evil, have flocked to the chapels operated by the Society of St. Pius X and to the churches that have been established by the sedevacantists. The people who have joined these congregations are "waiting out the storm;" however with the ailing present pope having done nothing about reversing the evil within (as did, of course his predecessors) and the replacement for John Paul II no doubt being a "let's all get along and keep doing what we've been doing" type, it doesn't look like a change is likely.

The only thing we can do is pray, pray and pray to God in the Name of The Blessed Virgin!

27 posted on 11/15/2004 6:10:50 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: sgtbono2002

Amen. Think of the Lord's fury over the money changers at the temple. How will His fury over the use of the little ones He adores manifest itself? It doesn't matter if the clergy are homosexual and yet celebate. God looks at the heart. These men are rotting in their sin and their presence in the sanctuary, touching the body and blood of Christ will be their ruin unless they repent.

I am not a Catholic, but I am a believer. God will not let this continue. Even now His judgement in upon the churches.

www.preparetoleave.com


28 posted on 11/15/2004 6:20:24 AM PST by PrepareToLeave
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To: Hartranft
I owned a fairly "randy" club on Rush Street in Chicago, in my early, more impetuous days of my youth.. :), it was a popular gathering spot for the show girls, local club workers and well healed Patrons of the evening, ahem.. across from a well know seminary. On any given night we would see several bright-eyed, young clean shaved men gather in the darker corners. I asked one of them where they were from, and he dashed out in fear..

We presumed he was a seminary student, so I went to their offices to alerted them to the potential problem.. They were dismissive at best and I was told that word spread throughout the seminary that my place was to be off limits..

In other words they didn't stop the practice, only the meeting locations.. This really shocked my already weaken faith in my church, since our own corrupt Mayor Daley was held up by our church diocese as a latter day saint.. which is a whole different story.. sick

29 posted on 11/15/2004 6:23:05 AM PST by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: 2banana
My husband, who is in sales, refers to this as "target marketing" by the homosexuals who enter the priesthood.

The Lavender Mafia still controls who does and does not make it into the priesthood and will insure that problem priests continue to be furnished to unsuspecting parishs.

30 posted on 11/15/2004 6:24:26 AM PST by zerosix
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To: PrepareToLeave

Someone who does not yield to his temptations, who does his best not to entertain them in his mind, who recognizes those temptations as evil, is not rotting in sin.

They are like sober alcoholics. Pray for them.


31 posted on 11/15/2004 7:08:03 AM PST by heartwood
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To: nina0113

Fr Haley says 60%?? Can that be true?

Lord help us!


32 posted on 11/15/2004 7:13:41 AM PST by MudPuppy (Semper Fidelis!!!!!!!)
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To: Savage Beast
maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy.

That's a specious, at best, argument. The discipline of celibacy isn't the problem. As proof, simply read about the sex crimes of all these Protestants who don't take vows of celibacy. What needs to be rethought and corrected is the elevation to the episcopacy of disobedient deviants who thumb their noses at the Vaticans' February 1961 ban on the ordination of homosexuals and pederasts.

Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers.

33 posted on 11/15/2004 8:51:32 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Savage Beast
As part of the soul-searching--so to speak--maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy.

Nope, it's not.

35 posted on 11/15/2004 9:42:02 AM PST by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we are Americans!!!!)
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To: JesseHousman
Today it is a liberal, leftist, homosexual monster that is beyond control.

It's not beyond control. It's just going to take some strong Bishops to get a handle on the situation. The TOMs (Tired Old Men) who were too sensitive to the screeching of the feminist nuns, are retiring and dying off. There is a new crop of men coming into the roles of Bishop nationwide. They have seen the damage wrought by the TOMs and are eager to make the necessary changes.

36 posted on 11/15/2004 9:47:50 AM PST by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we are Americans!!!!)
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To: SuziQ
They have seen the damage wrought by the TOMs and are eager to make the necessary changes.

Conjecture? If you are asserting fact, please expand upon your suggestion.

37 posted on 11/15/2004 10:08:40 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: A. Pole

I see that my own Diocese (Arlington) is apparently got the same problems as so many, and this is allegedly one of the most conservative in the country! Good night nurse! I've heard rumors that Loverde himself may be light in the loafers, and if true, I'm doubtful that anything significant will be done. Sixty percent of my Diocese's priests may be lavendar?!?! I have no reason to wonder if any of the priests at my parish are lavendar themselves, but with this report.....I pray that I haven't been shaking hands with someone who is secretly doing the deed with pre-teen or teen boys. That would make me feel very sick inside.


38 posted on 11/15/2004 11:20:20 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of shucking and jiving)
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To: Savage Beast
maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy.

I think the problem here is that these priests are not being celibate. However, as a Protestant, I think that clergy is better off married.
39 posted on 11/15/2004 11:36:30 AM PST by redheadtoo
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To: A. Pole

ping


40 posted on 11/15/2004 12:02:30 PM PST by Nice50BMG (Bush won the Cold War against the 1960's hippies.)
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