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Silenced priest warns of gay crisis
Washington Times ^ | November 15, 2004 | Julia Duin

Posted on 11/15/2004 5:28:41 AM PST by A. Pole

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1 posted on 11/15/2004 5:28:42 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole

And only 3-5% of the population is gay - so why are gays targeting the priesthood? Easy pickings? Easy access to boys? A safe place in which to control?


2 posted on 11/15/2004 5:31:26 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: A. Pole

Denial is not going to solve this problem for the RCCs.


3 posted on 11/15/2004 5:36:06 AM PST by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: 2banana

same reason they're targeting the boy scouts. access to young boys - prey.


5 posted on 11/15/2004 5:37:56 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: 2banana

As part of the soul-searching--so to speak--maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy.


6 posted on 11/15/2004 5:38:46 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush!)
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To: 2banana
And only 3-5% of the population is gay - so why are gays targeting the priesthood? Easy pickings? Easy access to boys? A safe place in which to control?

All of those reasons
7 posted on 11/15/2004 5:39:56 AM PST by uncbob
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To: A. Pole; Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Andrew65; AniGrrl; apologia_pro_vita_sua; attagirl; BearWash; ..

Ping


8 posted on 11/15/2004 5:41:45 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: A. Pole
homosexuality is the cultural battle of the time.

homosexuality must never be given sanction or endorsement by the United States.

9 posted on 11/15/2004 5:42:05 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: 2banana

Simple, it is an all male fraternal organization... once a few are in they can push for others to get in.... soon they are in the majority and are trading sexual favors for promotions and other things.... They are actively attempting to turn the Catholic priesthood into bath houses, and by and large the lay catholic is unaware of this, and the shortage or priests in general in the US has brought about silence from the top on the issue!


10 posted on 11/15/2004 5:43:03 AM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: Savage Beast

I think that you are on to something here. The end result may be a much tougher stance on same-sex marraige as well.


11 posted on 11/15/2004 5:43:46 AM PST by loborojo (What the hell is a "Reagan Democrat"?)
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To: 2banana

The Catholic church has to take steps to straighten this mess out if it hopes to survive.

The truth is that the steps they have taken are pitiful.
We must ask ourselves why this has gone on for years and we cannot overlook the fact that Bishops and yes: even Cardinals are picked from the ranks of Priests and therefore some of them may be contributors to the problem and not the solution.

Christ's church has been corrupted and surely the corrupters will spend an eternity in hell. For how can one who believes in God not see that God will punish severely one who uses His Church for sexual gratification.


12 posted on 11/15/2004 5:44:36 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (Breathes there a man with soul so dead, Who never to Himself has said,this is my own,my native land)
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To: Hartranft

While some homosexuals entering the priesthood may be looking for an enviroment that would suppress their urges and lead to an acceptable life, far more are perhaps attracted by the prospect of living in a socially approved all-male society where no civilian knows much about what goes on behind the rectory doors. Even if one grants most homosexual priests don't become priests to prey on available altar boys, the prospect of a congenial male environment without stigma must surely beckon.


13 posted on 11/15/2004 5:44:37 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: the invisib1e hand
and by this I don't mean that it must be destroyed, because that is between an individual and his conscience.

I mean that it must be kicked out of the public square once and for all, precisely because it is an issue of conscience.

14 posted on 11/15/2004 5:44:42 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: CatoRenasci

Many reasons

Gay men are tolerated in the priesthood
No need to have a "beard".
Decent money
Power


15 posted on 11/15/2004 5:47:41 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Land of the Irish
Father Haley is right. There is a big problem in the diocese of Arlington, even beyond what has been publicized.
16 posted on 11/15/2004 5:49:08 AM PST by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: uncbob
Also, psychologists got into the seminaries starting in the sixties and started to push out candidates who actually had a commitment to celibacy
17 posted on 11/15/2004 5:50:11 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: 2banana

If this percentage is indeed this high, and I doubt it, it is not nearly as high among the younger priests. Those ordained prior to the seventies may have found it easier than to live as a single homosexual. It cloaked their true nature. Now that sodomy is at least somewhat accepted in certain social circles, there is less need to hide the perversion.


18 posted on 11/15/2004 5:50:18 AM PST by Meldrim
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To: Savage Beast

>maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy.<

Oh, good, then we can have divorced Priests and playboy priests!
That'l help.


19 posted on 11/15/2004 5:51:53 AM PST by G Larry (Time to update my "Support John Thune!" tagline. Thanks to all who did!)
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To: Steve0113; MudPuppy

Fr. Haley ping


20 posted on 11/15/2004 5:53:39 AM PST by nina0113
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To: Savage Beast
Plenty of married men assault little boys. It has nothing to do with celibacy.

The simple fact is that it is contrary to canon law to admit a sodomite to a seminary. According to the law of the Church, someone who has a mental defect of any kind is not allowed to be ordained.

Then in the 1950s "progressive" dioceses began to have their seminarians evaluated by psychiatrists instead of novice masters.

In the 1960s the psychiatric profession stopped treating sodomitic predilections as a disease. The psychiatrists signed off on a clean bill of mental health for all sodomites starting in the late 60s/early 70s.

Hence the problem.

Not being married doesn't turn a person into a sodomite. Not being married doesn't turn a person into a pedophile. Psychologically normal priests who aren't cut out for celibacy get involved in affairs with women, they don't touch the kids.

21 posted on 11/15/2004 5:55:33 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Savage Beast
"As part of the soul-searching--so to speak--maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy."

I don't think so. Celibacy is a red herring...

The issue is Faith -Faith in action rather than Faith in concept.

22 posted on 11/15/2004 5:58:48 AM PST by DBeers
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To: A. Pole

If the priesthood is rife with homosexuals can nuns be far behind?

Much has been said about homosexuals in an all male environment, like the priesthood, but what about an all female environment? Can we not expect any same-sex environment to be an attractive place for homosexuals?

Homosexual priests are at the front of this crisis in the church, and that's as it should be, but little is said about what may be another problem that hasn't yet been spoken of.


23 posted on 11/15/2004 6:02:50 AM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: A. Pole

This issue of pedophilia and homosexuality is in some ways a separate issue. However, when the pedophile scandal hit the church a few years ago, I was quite suprised at the amount of push back that appeared when the issue of homosexuality and the priesthood appeared.

I am in the Archdiocese of Wash DC and Loverdale has had a huge problem on his hand. THe diocese of Arlington was always seen as a very conservative one, now this. He needs to clean things up now.


24 posted on 11/15/2004 6:03:01 AM PST by Trainer (9/11...Never forget, never forgive.)
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To: 2banana

I don't know. Maybe they go in with good motives, hoping to bury their temptations. One priest claimed, of the days when they went into the seminary at 16, that "at that age, you are programmed to fall in love."

My former parish does not even have a rectory. The priest has a house in some unknown location. The former priest was convicted of sexually abusing boys, and it is my belief that the present priest is also homosexual, although he may be celibate.

In my father in law's parish in NYC, the priest took the money from the building fund and bought a condo in Fire Island (pretty obvious) because he needed a place to "relax." He had the authority to use the funds as he saw fit.

A priest in Spring Lake has been charged with embezzling 500,000 dollars from the parish and setting up his young friend with a house and luxuries and a janatorial job at the church. The parishoners thought he was independently wealthy.

I would guess that perhaps 30% of priests I have known were homosexual. They may well have been celibate. But few of that number impressed me as good priests.

I have never seen a bishop who did not look sleek.

I think the priesthood and the bishops have not addressed the other temptations they face - power, the charge of money, luxury (at least for bishops). Throw in homosexuality, and you get an enormous cliquishness, and a sense of entitlement for sacrifices made.

There are good priests out there. They are not seeking power, or to climb the hierarchical ladder. May God call more of them, real men.


25 posted on 11/15/2004 6:06:29 AM PST by heartwood
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To: tkathy
"Denial is not going to solve this problem for the RCCs."

I wish the MSM would not limit focus on the immoral disordered homosexual agenda to that of just a Catholic phenomena... To do such is just Catholic bashing -homosexuality is a disordered condition everywhere -homosexual activity is an immoral abomination and should be exposed in all cases and considered with outrage in all instances...

26 posted on 11/15/2004 6:09:25 AM PST by DBeers
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To: A. Pole
...source of the crisis is a priesthood that is "honeycombed" with homosexual clerics...

In 1950 the USSR instructed their cells throughout the U. S. to begin introducing communists into the seminaries. They found a home there, and not much later the homosexuals did likewise.

The two God-less groups found they had much in common. The communists could continue to undermine morals and doctrines and the homosexuals could do their evil job of getting their satanist claws on the young.

This template for success was introduced into the Roman Catholic Church at large.

These facts, about what evil was lurking and undermining Christ's Church on earth, was known within the hierarchy. At first they didn't know what to do about it, but then tried desperately to ignore it.

Today it is a liberal, leftist, homosexual monster that is beyond control.

It's no wonder that millions, seeking a haven from evil, have flocked to the chapels operated by the Society of St. Pius X and to the churches that have been established by the sedevacantists. The people who have joined these congregations are "waiting out the storm;" however with the ailing present pope having done nothing about reversing the evil within (as did, of course his predecessors) and the replacement for John Paul II no doubt being a "let's all get along and keep doing what we've been doing" type, it doesn't look like a change is likely.

The only thing we can do is pray, pray and pray to God in the Name of The Blessed Virgin!

27 posted on 11/15/2004 6:10:50 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: sgtbono2002

Amen. Think of the Lord's fury over the money changers at the temple. How will His fury over the use of the little ones He adores manifest itself? It doesn't matter if the clergy are homosexual and yet celebate. God looks at the heart. These men are rotting in their sin and their presence in the sanctuary, touching the body and blood of Christ will be their ruin unless they repent.

I am not a Catholic, but I am a believer. God will not let this continue. Even now His judgement in upon the churches.

www.preparetoleave.com


28 posted on 11/15/2004 6:20:24 AM PST by PrepareToLeave
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To: Hartranft
I owned a fairly "randy" club on Rush Street in Chicago, in my early, more impetuous days of my youth.. :), it was a popular gathering spot for the show girls, local club workers and well healed Patrons of the evening, ahem.. across from a well know seminary. On any given night we would see several bright-eyed, young clean shaved men gather in the darker corners. I asked one of them where they were from, and he dashed out in fear..

We presumed he was a seminary student, so I went to their offices to alerted them to the potential problem.. They were dismissive at best and I was told that word spread throughout the seminary that my place was to be off limits..

In other words they didn't stop the practice, only the meeting locations.. This really shocked my already weaken faith in my church, since our own corrupt Mayor Daley was held up by our church diocese as a latter day saint.. which is a whole different story.. sick

29 posted on 11/15/2004 6:23:05 AM PST by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: 2banana
My husband, who is in sales, refers to this as "target marketing" by the homosexuals who enter the priesthood.

The Lavender Mafia still controls who does and does not make it into the priesthood and will insure that problem priests continue to be furnished to unsuspecting parishs.

30 posted on 11/15/2004 6:24:26 AM PST by zerosix
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To: PrepareToLeave

Someone who does not yield to his temptations, who does his best not to entertain them in his mind, who recognizes those temptations as evil, is not rotting in sin.

They are like sober alcoholics. Pray for them.


31 posted on 11/15/2004 7:08:03 AM PST by heartwood
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To: nina0113

Fr Haley says 60%?? Can that be true?

Lord help us!


32 posted on 11/15/2004 7:13:41 AM PST by MudPuppy (Semper Fidelis!!!!!!!)
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To: Savage Beast
maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy.

That's a specious, at best, argument. The discipline of celibacy isn't the problem. As proof, simply read about the sex crimes of all these Protestants who don't take vows of celibacy. What needs to be rethought and corrected is the elevation to the episcopacy of disobedient deviants who thumb their noses at the Vaticans' February 1961 ban on the ordination of homosexuals and pederasts.

Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers.

33 posted on 11/15/2004 8:51:32 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Savage Beast
As part of the soul-searching--so to speak--maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy.

Nope, it's not.

35 posted on 11/15/2004 9:42:02 AM PST by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we are Americans!!!!)
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To: JesseHousman
Today it is a liberal, leftist, homosexual monster that is beyond control.

It's not beyond control. It's just going to take some strong Bishops to get a handle on the situation. The TOMs (Tired Old Men) who were too sensitive to the screeching of the feminist nuns, are retiring and dying off. There is a new crop of men coming into the roles of Bishop nationwide. They have seen the damage wrought by the TOMs and are eager to make the necessary changes.

36 posted on 11/15/2004 9:47:50 AM PST by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we are Americans!!!!)
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They have seen the damage wrought by the TOMs and are eager to make the necessary changes.

Conjecture? If you are asserting fact, please expand upon your suggestion.

37 posted on 11/15/2004 10:08:40 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: A. Pole

I see that my own Diocese (Arlington) is apparently got the same problems as so many, and this is allegedly one of the most conservative in the country! Good night nurse! I've heard rumors that Loverde himself may be light in the loafers, and if true, I'm doubtful that anything significant will be done. Sixty percent of my Diocese's priests may be lavendar?!?! I have no reason to wonder if any of the priests at my parish are lavendar themselves, but with this report.....I pray that I haven't been shaking hands with someone who is secretly doing the deed with pre-teen or teen boys. That would make me feel very sick inside.


38 posted on 11/15/2004 11:20:20 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of shucking and jiving)
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To: Savage Beast
maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy.

I think the problem here is that these priests are not being celibate. However, as a Protestant, I think that clergy is better off married.
39 posted on 11/15/2004 11:36:30 AM PST by redheadtoo
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To: A. Pole

ping


40 posted on 11/15/2004 12:02:30 PM PST by Nice50BMG (Bush won the Cold War against the 1960's hippies.)
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To: A. Pole
Goodbye, Good Men
41 posted on 11/15/2004 12:26:04 PM PST by SC DOC
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To: Noachian

Late to the thread on my part, but there are most definitely homosexuals in nun circles. There are some extremely pious and devout orders, but others are WAY WAY out there....

This is a top-to-bottom problem. It's the fruit of "tolerance" gone FUBAR.


42 posted on 11/15/2004 12:47:26 PM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: Noachian

There was a book out several years ago called "Lesbian Nuns" in which current and former nuns discussed the reasons for going into the convent (felt more comfortable around only women) and their introduction to lesbianism by other nuns. Scary book!


43 posted on 11/15/2004 1:13:54 PM PST by reaganaut (Red state girl in a Blue state world (Socialist Republic of California))
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To: Eepsy
Also, psychologists got into the seminaries starting in the sixties and started to push out candidates who actually had a commitment to celibacy

Interesting point!

44 posted on 11/15/2004 6:17:39 PM PST by A. Pole (Col.Guano: I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and your [...]mutiny of preverts.)
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To: Savage Beast
As part of the soul-searching--so to speak--maybe it's time to rethink the practice of celibacy.

Episcopalian priests can be married. Still the promotion of pederasty became the core of Episcopalian doctrine.

45 posted on 11/15/2004 6:22:25 PM PST by A. Pole (Col.Guano: I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and your [...]mutiny of preverts.)
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To: A. Pole

A FUDGE PACKER CRISIS????? Perish the thought!


46 posted on 11/15/2004 6:49:51 PM PST by winker
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To: Robert Drobot
There are Bishops who are quietly making changes at the Seminaries in which their priests are training. They are not announcing these changes, probably since most regular Catholics didn't know anything was different from the 50's and 60's, so why make a big deal of it?

The liberal feminist nuns are retiring and dying out; their orders are not getting new vocations, so there are fewer of them to sit on Boards of Review to winnow out faithful Catholic young men who wanted to be priests, but whose 'outmoded ideas', like celibacy, and devotions, didn't fit their modernist agenda. I know of one Seminary in the South that had gotten so bad that the new younger Bishop wouldn't even send his candidates there until he'd had a chance to make some changes.

Unless the Bishops demand change, the Seminaries won't change.

47 posted on 11/15/2004 6:56:45 PM PST by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we are Americans!!!!)
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To: A. Pole
[ Although it's been less than a year since the church revealed that there were 10,667 cases of abuse committed by 4,392 priests in a 50-year period, the message at the meeting will be that the crisis is under control. ]

And thats the ones that know about..
Wonder why the rest of the world has no known queer priesthood problems.. are they ALL here. in the U.S.?..

48 posted on 11/15/2004 7:06:54 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: SuziQ; Canticle_of_Deborah; Land of the Irish; ultima ratio; Maximilian; Viva Christo Rey; ...
To: SuziQ All Others: FYI Unless the Bishops demand change, the Seminaries won't change.

It is this fact that is so distressing.

Well advised of the abominations permitted and encouraged to drive aways men who would otherwise become holy priests, the Vatican pretends to address puff and fluff fanfare.

In point of fact, degenerate sodomite dementia continues its evil grip on the Roman Catholic Church in America, while a Pope in Rome remains focused on the single greatest priority of his pontificate - his image.

This wannabe actor has dedicated his reign to achieve one totally consuming narcissistic indulgence - celebrity - using a public embrace of pagans, heretics, his benign ecumenical encouragement of false worship on consecrated ground, and his notorious association with one of the greatest murdering terrorist muslims in human history, Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat Al Qudua Al Husseini, aka: Yasser Arafat.

This is the real reason American bishops - and bishops throughout the world - are running amuck, doing whatever they damn well please, AND saying what they damn well please.

It's a Roman Catholic version of the Charlie Manson 'family', with 'christian' warlocks from hell gleefully desecrating the Holy Eucharist, Sacred Dogma and Latin Tradition. Embracing sodomites, lesbians, murder of the unborn, and denial of the Resurrection are hallmark of the ecumenical 'we all pray to the same god' new church.

49 posted on 11/16/2004 3:18:17 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Robert Drobot

Excuse my poor writing. The subject puts me on a short fuse.


50 posted on 11/16/2004 3:21:38 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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