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To: JohnHuang2
It's been DOD policy for 40 years not to sponsor any outside groups. I spent 20 years active duty and we all knew the rules of sponsorship of any outside non military group and it's a no no.

This doesn't mean Boyscouts cannot have meetings on base or that military personnel can't be part of the scouts. It simply means that no DOD organization can sponsor them just like they can't sponsor a wife's club or Squadron Officers Group.

If you don't know it the military can't even buy a retirement trophy or award for someone with Gov't funds. I've gone deep in to my checkbook many times coughing up the funds for retirements, going away gifts and the like. The commander handed them out at official functions but they we paid by private funds.

The civilians that never served like Farah, Savage etc. need to get smart on this issue before blasting Bush, Rumsfield etc. on a policy that's decades old.

6 posted on 11/16/2004 11:46:29 PM PST by america-rules
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To: america-rules

Could they take up private collections for the Scouts?


10 posted on 11/16/2004 11:53:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: america-rules
You need to go read the article Farah linked in his column. Emphasis is mine:

The Pentagon denied Boy Scout sponsorship violated its rule against support of non-federal organizations but agreed to post a warning worldwide, the Associated Press said.

Seems like the Pentagon believes there's been sponsorship.

"If our Constitution's promise of religious liberty is to be a reality, the government should not be administering religious oaths or discriminating based upon religious beliefs," Adam Schwartz of the ACLU of Illinois said in a statement. "This agreement removes the Pentagon from direct sponsorship of Scout troops that engage in religious discrimination."

It seems to me that the ACLU wants to prevent US military personnel from even being involved in their free time, because it's a case of a federal employee administering a religious oath.

Farah's right, it's time to fight. Start with Rumsfeld, he can see reason.

55 posted on 11/17/2004 9:03:06 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (I used to be a lumberjack, but I just couldn't hack it. They gave me the axe.)
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To: america-rules

"It's been DOD policy for 40 years not to sponsor any outside groups. I spent 20 years active duty and we all knew the rules of sponsorship of any outside non military group and it's a no no.

This doesn't mean Boyscouts cannot have meetings on base or that military personnel can't be part of the scouts. It simply means that no DOD organization can sponsor them just like they can't sponsor a wife's club or Squadron Officers Group.

If you don't know it the military can't even buy a retirement trophy or award for someone with Gov't funds. I've gone deep in to my checkbook many times coughing up the funds for retirements, going away gifts and the like. The commander handed them out at official functions but they we paid by private funds.

The civilians that never served like Farah, Savage etc. need to get smart on this issue before blasting Bush, Rumsfield etc. on a policy that's decades old."
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So what you are saying is this does NOT mean that the BSA is automatically kicked off all DoD facilities worldwide? Merely that they cannot be officially sponsored. Let's all hope that the warning memo sent out systemwide was very clear in it's wording. I can just imagine skittish, PC base commanders overreacting spectacularly.

If what you are saying is true, this need be no more damaging than when the ACLU forced the Marine Corps to stop directly sponsoring the "Toys for Tots" campaign ten years ago. I believe the program was smoothly moved over to the Marine Corp League to administer and raise money for.


76 posted on 11/28/2004 11:04:16 AM PST by sinanju
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