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[New Jersey] Bear attack takes on greater menace; Teens pawed and bitten by prowling cub
Newark Star-Ledger ^ | November 19, 2004 | BRIAN T. MURRAY

Posted on 11/19/2004 9:52:01 AM PST by d-back

The encounter last weekend between three bears and two Boy Scouts at a camp in Warren County was more harrowing than originally reported, as the bears pawed at the teenagers for an hour, bit one of them and attempted to bite the other, according to a report by state wildlife investigators.

The boys, who were later vaccinated for rabies, cowered on a rock as they fended off the two 60-pound cubs and the mother bear at the Yards Creek Scout Reservation in Blairstown on Saturday night, wildlife investigators said.

One of the boys was bitten twice by a cub. The animal first bit down on the boy's left arm -- leaving four scratch marks as the youth pulled away -- and then bit the boy's right hand, leaving three puncture wounds, according to a Division of Fish and Wildlife report obtained by The Star-Ledger on Wednesday. The second boy escaped injury when the second cub bit his coat sleeve -- but missed his arm -- and tried to pull him off the rock, the report said.

The state Department of Environmental Protection did not release the report until last night -- after being pressed by The Star-Ledger-- leaving officials from the Central New Jersey Council of the Boy Scouts to field questions about the incident. The council initially reported the incident as a brief, minor encounter with two bears, and said only one bear had "scratched" a scout's hand before the cubs ran off. . . .

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Mandatory excerpt rule for NJ.com, so I strongly suggest that interested Freepers should go read the full article. You'll not only see that the bear attack was much more serious than initially reported, but you'll also see that the head of the DEP, Bradley Campbell, covered up the details of the attack. He's the goofball bureacrat who just got spanked by a New Jersey court for lawlessly trying to hold up the bear hunt.
1 posted on 11/19/2004 9:52:01 AM PST by d-back
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2 posted on 11/19/2004 9:53:52 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: NJ Freeper; Pharmboy; ZULU; paulcissa

New Jersey bear hunt ping and bump.


3 posted on 11/19/2004 9:54:31 AM PST by d-back
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To: d-back

If my understanding of wildlife is correct, then the motivation for covering up the incident was to avoid having the DEP do what they are supposed to do in this case. If this had been a case of a mother bear protecting her cubs, then it wouldn't have been anything unusual from a wildlife perspective. But when bear cubs show clear signs that they do not have a natural fear of humans, they must be destroyed.


4 posted on 11/19/2004 9:57:16 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: d-back
One of the bears rubbed its nose on one of the scouts?

He could have ripped the kids' face off, and he rubbed his nose on him?

These are the kinds of bears I want to be attacked by, if I ever have the misfortune of being attacked by a bear!

5 posted on 11/19/2004 9:57:19 AM PST by sandalwood (Vote Pat Toomey for Governor)
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To: d-back

Thanks. That's about 30 miles from my house...the hunt can't come soon enough for me.


6 posted on 11/19/2004 10:00:00 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Alberta's Child
But when bear cubs show clear signs that they do not have a natural fear of humans, they must be destroyed

Preferably right on my grill...

7 posted on 11/19/2004 10:03:10 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: d-back; Jeff Head; SierraWasp; tubebender

Typical left wing Peta Enviral whack coverup of an attack by predators.

The young boys are lucky to be alive. It sounds like the mother bear was training her cubs on how to attack.

Mother Mountain lions do that out here in the west. They and their young panthers will attack and kill large numbers of sheep or goats just for the practice.


8 posted on 11/19/2004 10:06:13 AM PST by Grampa Dave (FNC/ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps are the Rathering Fraudcasters of America!)
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To: Pharmboy

No problem, and I hope you have good luck. I'll be driving out to bear country from the People's Republic of Montclair myself, hoping I have better luck than last year's hunt.


9 posted on 11/19/2004 10:06:17 AM PST by d-back
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To: d-back
I couldn’t open the full article, but my guess is those Scouts had food smells all over them if not on them along with using their clothing to wipe hands after eating and perhaps had been actually baiting the cubs. No perfumed hair shampoo, rinse, flavored lipstick, deodorant or sun-tan oils or screens when camping. No food left in the tent or on the ground or left out anywhere, are good rules to follow.
10 posted on 11/19/2004 10:07:08 AM PST by yoe
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To: d-back

This is one of the weirdest bear attack stories I've ever read.

LQ


11 posted on 11/19/2004 10:08:06 AM PST by LizardQueen
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stupid kid..don't feed the bears.


12 posted on 11/19/2004 10:08:11 AM PST by Legion04
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To: d-back

"Black bear attacks on humans are rare"

Thanks for the PING.

Black bear attacks have been rare due to the infrequency of contact between large numbers of bears and large numbers of people - an increasing occurance in densely populated states like New Jersey.

Nonetheless, more people have been killed and attacked by black bears than by grizzlies. They are potentially extremely dangerous animals.

In more rational states, this scenario would have ended with an onlooker shooting all three of them dead with a handy fire-arm.

However, in New Jersey citizens - excuse me - subjects - are not permitted to go about armed and even if they were, would face legal action if they attempted to defend themselves or anyone else.

Decisions on a bear hunt should be made by professional wildlife biologists and animal ecologists - not by some cheap political hack like Campbell who takes his marching orders from the party (DemocRat) political machine.

Incidents like this will only go on until someone there IS killed by a bear.


13 posted on 11/19/2004 10:08:14 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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Anyone hiking, camping, or living in an area with bears should have at least one canister of bear pepper spray available at all times. I have the following product:

Counter Assault Bear Pepper Spray

14 posted on 11/19/2004 10:08:16 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: sandalwood
Please don't minimize the danger here in NJ

Not only from the wildlife but from the brainless bureaucrats.

15 posted on 11/19/2004 10:09:44 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR POWERS EQUAL TO THE TASKS)
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To: d-back

Does Montclair suffer the same fools as Maplewood?


16 posted on 11/19/2004 10:10:35 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR POWERS EQUAL TO THE TASKS)
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To: yoe

So what??

Bears are inherently a dangerous, potentially aggressive animal and when they loose their fear of people through intimate association in a densely populated state like Jersey, they are a menace.

Only regular large bear hunts will succeed in habituating the black bear population to a fear of humans.


17 posted on 11/19/2004 10:12:24 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

GI Ping


18 posted on 11/19/2004 10:12:42 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: yoe
Yoe: There is nothing at all in the story to suggest that these Boy Scouts were "baiting the cubs."

The kids had Pop Tarts in their backpacks, which certainly contributed to the situation, but it would be foolish to suggest that Boy Scouts cannot carry snacks or food with them when hiking in New Jersey without inviting a bear attack.

There are simply too many black bears in our heavily-populated state, and they have little if any fear of humans.

The answer to the problem: Control the number of black bears in New Jersey by instituting a regular hunting season.

19 posted on 11/19/2004 10:12:59 AM PST by d-back
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To: d-back
Montclair, huh? The Berkeley of the northeast.

My heart goes out to you. At least in Morris County where I live, Bush got 77% of the votes. You might have been Dubya's only vote from Monclair! LOL!

20 posted on 11/19/2004 10:13:01 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: EdReform

I'd prefer a good shotgun with 00 buckshot, a .30-06 rifle or a .44 magnum, thank you.

Or even a good Hawkin rifle of .54 caliber or so.


21 posted on 11/19/2004 10:14:19 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: d-back

This explains it:

"News of the weekend attack spread quickly throughout Warren and Sussex counties, and the DEP's refusal to release details until last night has led to allegations by the Federation of New Jersey Sportsmen's Clubs that DEP Commissioner Bradley Campbell has been suppressing information on clashes between bears and humans."

"Campbell had tried to thwart a bear hunt for next month that was authorized by the independent state Fish and Game Council. However, an appeals court ruled Tuesday that Campbell does not have the authority to block the hunt. Campbell is pursuing another legal battle to close state lands to the six-day bruin hunt, scheduled to begin Dec. 6."


22 posted on 11/19/2004 10:15:25 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: OldFriend
I'm a hunter who wanted to participate in the Bear hunt but won't because the lawyers in New Jersey make it too risky. I'm not afraid of being shot during hunting season, more people die playing basketball every year. I'm afraid of violating some vague and arbitrary regulation and being fined or having my weapons and vehicle impounded.

I'm going to do all my hunting in NY and PA.

Good luck to you folks in a hunt zone. And remember, if you seea Bear, make sure you have a lawyer present before attempting to defend yourself.

23 posted on 11/19/2004 10:15:34 AM PST by tcostell
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To: Pharmboy
Same hear. I live next to Bear Swamp. I'm stocked up on various rounds for my 12. We see bear at least 2 a week, in fact, I nearly hit one with my vehicle on the way home from work 2 nights ago. It tore across the road in front of me at a blinding speed. My vehicle would have been toast, but, hehheh, I would've had bear meat and souvenirs
24 posted on 11/19/2004 10:16:15 AM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: OldFriend
Please don't minimize the danger here in NJ Not only from the wildlife but from the brainless bureaucrats.

True indeed. Duly noted.

25 posted on 11/19/2004 10:16:37 AM PST by sandalwood (Vote Pat Toomey for Governor)
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To: tcostell

"And remember, if you seea Bear, make sure you have a lawyer present before attempting to defend yourself."

Preferably a big, fat, juicy, old one you can out run!!


26 posted on 11/19/2004 10:17:22 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Pharmboy; OldFriend
Yeah, Montclair is chock full of Left Wing morons. Maplewood's pretty bad too, OldFriend, from what I read.

You're lucky out west, Pharmboy. The pinhead liberal quotient tends to even out as you head west on Route 80 toward Pennsylvania. . .

27 posted on 11/19/2004 10:17:54 AM PST by d-back
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To: d-back
Oh, for a moment I thought you were referring to the Chicago Bears.

Never mind.

28 posted on 11/19/2004 10:19:03 AM PST by Nachum (We're All Americans, Let's Stand Together)
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To: d-back
If you act like prey, they'll act like predators. If you act like predators, they'll act like prey.

If a black bear is bothering you, act aggressively.

And don't feed wild animals (can't believe this needs to be said).

Those cubs have learned from these wussie scouts that people are prey, now the bears have to be destroyed.
29 posted on 11/19/2004 10:20:59 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: nmh
Bingo, NMH! Bradley Campbell, the head of DEP, is against the bear hunt because he (and former Governor McGreevey, of "I am a Gay American" fame) got pressure from the PETA and HSUS animal "rights" morons after last year's hunt. So he tried to stymie this year's hunt, even though it was duly approved by the Fish & Wildlife Council.

Fortunately, about a week ago, a New Jersey Appellate Division panel ruled against Campbell and in favor of the hunt.

30 posted on 11/19/2004 10:22:16 AM PST by d-back
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To: d-back

What kind of mother stands around and lets her cubs behave like this? It reminds me of the scene near the end of Jurassic Park II, where the mother Tyrannosaurus is showing her little dino how to eat the jerky bad guy in the hold of the boat.


31 posted on 11/19/2004 10:23:01 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

LOL!

Ahhhhh, in the good old days (early 60s) with Ernie Banks and Hamm's Beer ('From the land of sky blue waters...') in Wrigley Field.


32 posted on 11/19/2004 10:23:08 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Born to Conserve

"If a black bear is bothering you, act aggressively."

Easier said than done when facing a fanged menace with ten raking claws, which can reach 600 + pounds, out run you and climb a tree faster than you can.

On the other hand, its much easier to assume the "predator" stance with a handy shooting iron in your hands.


33 posted on 11/19/2004 10:23:32 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Born to Conserve
"Wussie Scouts"???

Cut them some slack. They're kids, for crying out loud, not Daniel Freakin' Boone.

34 posted on 11/19/2004 10:23:34 AM PST by d-back
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To: ZULU
Incidents like this will only go on until someone there IS killed by a bear.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. I've already lost one dog to them, I'm not losing any more members of my family to black bear, in spite of Communist Campbell or any other politician. I'll take my chances and pay the price to defend myself and my family from a problem created by the ineptitude of our state's government.

When a toddler is mauled/killed by a bear in NWNJ, that childs blood will on the hands of Bradley Campbell.

35 posted on 11/19/2004 10:23:35 AM PST by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: d-back
I live in Blairstown, and I have a bear that roams behind my house. I have never had a problem with the bear.
36 posted on 11/19/2004 10:24:32 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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WHy would the kids get this close to them? Sue the parents for the kids 4 scratches.


37 posted on 11/19/2004 10:26:06 AM PST by zoobee (Hey Andy....Hey Goober)
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To: Pharmboy

I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Strahan also voted for Bush. He and his wife live in Monclair and I know he was pretty good friends with Jason Sehorn, so maybe he is a Republican too.


38 posted on 11/19/2004 10:26:06 AM PST by XRdsRev
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To: EdReform
I learn so much at FR. Even though I am armed, shooting a bear in NJ (out of season) is bad news--for the shooter!

Thanks for the link--I just ordered a can of the spray.

39 posted on 11/19/2004 10:26:21 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Congratulations.

Your bear likes you.

With any luck, he won't learn to like you too much.


40 posted on 11/19/2004 10:26:25 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: d-back

remember last year when Campbell blocked junior hunters from participating in the hunt even though they were accompanied by an adult hunter?? After they'd gone through all the courses, paid out good money.

That had me spitting mad. I called Campbell's office several times and reamed them and Fish and Wildlife Council new ones while I was on a role.


41 posted on 11/19/2004 10:27:52 AM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

A friend of mine had bears behind his home too...never bothered him. Course, he didn't try to go pet it's cubs either.


42 posted on 11/19/2004 10:28:17 AM PST by zoobee (Stupid is as stupid does....)
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To: ZULU

I do not feed him, and I have fenced in my yard to keep him away from my dogs. Hopefully, just watching the bear pass by at a distance is as far as it will go.


43 posted on 11/19/2004 10:28:44 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: d-back; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; dixiechick2000; ...
Bear attack takes on greater menace;
Teens pawed and bitten by prowling cub


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


44 posted on 11/19/2004 10:29:22 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Legion04

"stupid kid..don't feed the bears."

Stupid legion, the kids weren't feeding the bears.


45 posted on 11/19/2004 10:31:45 AM PST by monday
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To: XRdsRev
OK--THREE votes!

I spent an hour with Strahan at my friend's TV studio about 7 years ago. This guy is one smart cookie (and the biggest human I've ever been around). Funny as h*ll also...

46 posted on 11/19/2004 10:33:11 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 11/19/2004 10:33:22 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: EdReform

Do you know how to tell the difference between grizzly scat and black bear scat?









bells and pepper spray in the grizzly scat.


48 posted on 11/19/2004 10:33:52 AM PST by Mercat (I call, You hear me.)
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To: d-back
I used to spend a week or two each summer at Boy Scout camp in Blairstown.

Never gotten eaten by a bear there though.

49 posted on 11/19/2004 10:34:59 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: d-back

When Bear cubs are outlawed only outlaws will have bear cubs.


50 posted on 11/19/2004 10:36:38 AM PST by FreedomSurge
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