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Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')
WND ^ | November 20, 2004 1:00 a.m. | staff

Posted on 11/20/2004 1:54:27 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU Website seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history'

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: November 20, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A Chicago man has launched a website to mobilize millions of Americans to consign the American Civil Liberties Union to the "ash heap of history."

The ACLU, says the website StopThe ACLU.org, is "relentlessly and fiercely assaulting America's foundations by feverishly working through activist court systems to impose same-sex marriage and remove all vestiges of the Ten Commandments wherever they may be posted."

Nedd Kareiva says his two main goals are to send 1 million letters to the ACLU's headquarters in New York and to coordinate a march of 1 million Americans at each ACLU office in the nation.

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1 posted on 11/20/2004 1:54:28 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Finally


2 posted on 11/20/2004 1:55:47 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Come on Christians! Make your church aware of this! Let's mobilize and put an end to the abuses of religion by the ACLU! Let's put a stop to the abuse of the Boy Scouts of America! It's time to act! Enough is enough. Let's work toward getting BIG numbers out to support this effort!


3 posted on 11/20/2004 1:58:50 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

About damn time!!!


4 posted on 11/20/2004 2:00:13 AM PST by n9vmo
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I am definitely in on this effort.
5 posted on 11/20/2004 2:01:25 AM PST by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Oh Lord! It is ABOUT TIME!!!

Count me in.


6 posted on 11/20/2004 2:02:43 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

I can think of nothing better to do with the next year or so. This is going to everyone on my e-mail list NOW.


7 posted on 11/20/2004 2:04:54 AM PST by shibumi (John Galt is alive and well. He tends bar in a casino restaurant.)
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To: Aeronaut
Link to the website.
8 posted on 11/20/2004 2:11:13 AM PST by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: Aeronaut

SAINTS BE PRAISED!!! Finally, I've found a bandwagon I can jump into. This guy has my blessing. It's about time!


9 posted on 11/20/2004 2:21:31 AM PST by srm913
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

The guy is planning a march of 1 million people at every ACLU office in the country?

It sounds like an impossible dream, but I'd like to help.


10 posted on 11/20/2004 2:23:44 AM PST by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

It's about time. I'm in too.

I became aware of the ACLU years ago. I remember reading a headline in my newspaper basically saying that the criminal was victimized. I thought the headline was wrong. When I started reading the article, there was this group ACLU defending the criminal. Ever since then, I notice they are involved in most of these kind of stories. They are a huge cancer.


11 posted on 11/20/2004 2:25:17 AM PST by CaliGirl-R
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
btw, the push for same-sex marriage is one step from dismantling the churches in America. The day they get it passed, a homo-couple will march to the nearest church and ask to be married. The church will say "i'm sorry, but we cannot as it is against our religion." "Oh, ok...", at which point they will go to the local court and file a discrimination suit against the church... forcing them to comply or close their doors.

Shutting down the churches is the goal, of course.

I have a question... if we don't have prayer in school due to the separation of church in state, then how does this same group make sense of the state forcing the church to do anything??

12 posted on 11/20/2004 2:27:31 AM PST by sten
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
another funny point is that these attacks seem only to go after Christian churches... they don't seem to go after muslim or jewish religious centers.

Muslim kids are allowed to have prayer 6 times a day in school... but lord forbid you let the Christians pray ONCE before the school day starts.

Another attack that has bugged me was the push for anti-Christian artwork (virgin Mary covered in excrement). This was called art and defended... but imagine a jewish Menorah covered in excrement (Menorah of manure?)... would they defend it as artwork or brand it as anti-semantic?

13 posted on 11/20/2004 2:37:14 AM PST by sten
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

This may sound like a non sequitor, but it's not. What if the SCOTUS were to decide that not allowing foreigners to be POTUS were unconstitutional?


14 posted on 11/20/2004 2:37:57 AM PST by johnb838 (and Allawi replied: "To hell they will go.")
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

I'm on board too!


15 posted on 11/20/2004 2:41:17 AM PST by Ros42
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To: sten

I don't know if they could do as you've described. This is about civil marriage. Believe me, though, it would cause a very strong push, in the traditional liberal protestant churches, i.e. the episcopals, the presbyterians, the lutherans, and the methodists to allow homo marriage, thus further ensuring their irrelevance and probable disintegration.


16 posted on 11/20/2004 2:41:59 AM PST by johnb838 (and Allawi replied: "To hell they will go.")
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To: dansangel

Ping....ggggggg


17 posted on 11/20/2004 2:43:14 AM PST by .45MAN ("God bless America and George W. Bush")
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To: johnb838

I guarantee you--the Missouri Synod branch of the Lutheran Church will NEVER allow gay marriage in its churches.


18 posted on 11/20/2004 2:44:16 AM PST by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: johnb838

I totally agree with this one too. If the ACLU and the UN were to cease to exist I wouldn't be shedding too many tears...


19 posted on 11/20/2004 2:44:40 AM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: Calico Cat

Oh, there are groups within all of these denominations that would never go along. The Episcopalians are getting ready to split over the homosexual bishop issue. The Presbyterians have fractured, the Lutherans are fractured, so are the Methodists for that matter. The only reason the Episcopalians haven't done so already is because they have reconciled the unreconcilable.


20 posted on 11/20/2004 2:47:07 AM PST by johnb838 (and Allawi replied: "To hell they will go.")
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

bump


21 posted on 11/20/2004 2:58:25 AM PST by blackeagle
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To: ETERNAL WARMING; EQAndyBuzz; n9vmo; clee1; shibumi; Aeronaut; srm913; Calico Cat; CaliGirl-R; ...

I agree: the ACLU needs to be stopped. But letters and marches will do nothing. (Sorry to rain on the parade.)

Even if you were to flood their mail boxes with ten million letters and mobilize hundreds of "million-man marches", what do you think that will accomplish? Do you expect the ACLU activists to simply say, "Gee, we must be wrong. I guess we'll just close our offices and quit."?

Witness the aftermath of the last election: 59 million people voted for President Bush, voted for Republican congressional representatives, and voted to ban homosexual "marriage." Yet, did the Left get the message? Have they finally realized that they are on the wrong side of the issues? No. They arrogantly proclaimed that all those 59 million Americans are simply stupid yokels, and that if only the residents of "fly-over" America were as "enlightened" as the big city intellectuals, then the Democrats would have won.

Yes, it's time to shut down the ACLU. But don't expect them to go willingly just because we ask them to. The only way I see an end to the ACLU is if the Federal Government prosecutes them for aiding and facilitating terrorist and criminal activities (i.e., their associations with Al Qaeda and NAMBLA). Unfortunately, this will not happen anytime in the foreseeable future, particularly with Bush appointing Alberto Gonzales as the new Attorney General.


22 posted on 11/20/2004 3:07:01 AM PST by SpyGuy (Liberalism is slow societal suicide.)
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To: sten; ETERNAL WARMING; EQAndyBuzz; n9vmo; clee1; shibumi; Aeronaut; srm913; Calico Cat; ...
Shutting down the churches is the goal, of course.

Actually, destroying America (as we know it) is their ultimate goal.

Think of this like a war, where the strategic goal of the Left is the total conquest and domination of America: to change us from the world's guiding beacon of Liberty and free enterprise, into another socialist third-world wasteland under the global rule of UN Marxist dictators.

In every campaign, there are tactical battles which are necessary to ensure strategic victory. Shutting down the (Christian) churches is one of those battles for the Left. Breaking down traditional families is another (and the Left has already made great strides in this area).

23 posted on 11/20/2004 3:20:57 AM PST by SpyGuy (Liberalism is slow societal suicide.)
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To: SpyGuy

Making noise is the first step. If we continue to sit on our backsides and hope the Federal Government will do something...we are handing our First Amendment Rights over to someone else to tell us how to exercise them.

Let us not forget the effectiveness of protests as demonstrated by the change in regulations, court rulings, etc. that have not been to the benefit of the United States.


24 posted on 11/20/2004 3:22:06 AM PST by EBH (A very proud Aunt of a US Marine in Fallujah)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

The ACLU is the most dangerous enemy within our country...They are more concerned with terrorist's rights than your's or mine to simply live......


25 posted on 11/20/2004 3:23:27 AM PST by Route101
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To: libs_kma; ETERNAL WARMING; EQAndyBuzz; n9vmo; clee1; shibumi; Aeronaut; srm913; Calico Cat; ...
If the ACLU and the UN were to cease to exist I wouldn't be shedding too many tears.

Yes, the ACLU and the UN go hand in hand -- and both organizations are working to destroy America. Which is why I say:

Click to order "US out of the UN" products.

26 posted on 11/20/2004 3:26:07 AM PST by SpyGuy (Liberalism is slow societal suicide.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

bump


27 posted on 11/20/2004 3:31:15 AM PST by stockpirate (Not we must take our mandate and do the deed.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

About time.


28 posted on 11/20/2004 3:40:05 AM PST by SoDak (Home of Senator John Thune)
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To: sten
another funny point is that these attacks seem only to go after Christian churches... they don't seem to go after muslim or jewish religious centers.

Historically, most religious abuses come from the government sanctioning a particular religion. Adherents of that religion feel they have a "mandate" to minimize all public signs of other religions.

Muslim kids are allowed to have prayer 6 times a day in school... but lord forbid you let the Christians pray ONCE before the school day starts.

Okay, this isn't quite accurate. Christians can pray 24/7 if we want. We just can't stand up in the middle of class and do it out loud. The Bible doesn't require us to pray in groups at school. In the case of Muslims, the Quran requires rote prayer at specific times of the day. If a school system denies a Muslim child a place to pray in private, they are abridging his/her free exercise of Islam. There is a big difference between the religious requirements of a Christian child and a Muslim child.

Another attack that has bugged me was the push for anti-Christian artwork (virgin Mary covered in excrement). This was called art and defended... but imagine a jewish Menorah covered in excrement (Menorah of manure?)... would they defend it as artwork or brand it as anti-semantic?

There is no push for anti-Christian artwork. What you've seen is a defense of the free speech of dingbats who feel the need to produce that "art". I can guarantee you the ACLU would come down right in your corner if you decided to exibit a painting of Muhammad sodomizing his brother. When the left decides it's time to start attacking Islam or other religions using art, they will find the ACLU standing by, ready to defend them.

29 posted on 11/20/2004 3:46:15 AM PST by jess35
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To: EBH; ETERNAL WARMING; EQAndyBuzz; n9vmo; clee1; shibumi; Aeronaut; srm913; Calico Cat; ...
Making noise is the first step. If we continue to sit on our backsides and hope the Federal Government will do something...

I agree in part, but it's important to aim that "noise" in the right direction. Asking the ACLU to stop via a letter campaign and marches will have no more effect than "peace talks" with Islamic Jihadists will stop their terrorists activities.

Directing those letters instead to the White House may be more effective, but I doubt it. President Bush has already signaled that he is ignoring the conservative mandate of the last election.

Perhaps the best option for us right now is to build an NRA-type organization to counter the ACLU (although, let's not have the type of compromises the NRA is infamous for). This organization could serve five functions:

1. Provide paid conservative constitutional lawyers to defendants (like the Boy Scouts) being attacked by the ACLU.

2. Lobby the government to ensure that non-activist judges are confirmed, and that activist judges are rejected.

3. Provide watchdog services by monitoring and publishing the ACLU's activities.

4. Provide a judicial rating system so that voters know which judges are activist (remember that all these judges start out at the local level where they are elected by the people). Even after they are elected, we need a system that tracks and rates activist judges and tells us who they are, where they serve, who appointed them, and what they are doing (in terms of their rulings). Basically, we need to "out" all activist judges so that they are no longer working in the shadows.

5. Mount informational advertising campaigns to educate the general population about the activities and dangers of the ACLU and the activist courts. Most people, particularly the young graduates of our public schools, believe that the ACLU is a benevolent American institution fighting for Constitutional rights. We must counter their propaganda with the truth.

30 posted on 11/20/2004 3:52:28 AM PST by SpyGuy (Liberalism is slow societal suicide.)
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To: trussell

PING to your list, please.


31 posted on 11/20/2004 3:54:48 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

ACLU defending the criminal. Ever since then, I notice they are involved in most of these kind of stories. They are a huge cancer. Another George Soros SOCIALIST LEFT WING backed org, that needs to be defeated. COUNT ME IN!!!



32 posted on 11/20/2004 4:08:04 AM PST by Jazzman1
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To: SpyGuy
Agreed with most of what you have said here.

In checking their website they have stated the desire to mount not only a letter writing campaign, but to take out advertising in some major papers, organizing groups to provide educational materials and some of what you are talking about. They are a grass root and would hope they be open to your ideas too.
33 posted on 11/20/2004 4:09:12 AM PST by EBH (A very proud Aunt of a US Marine in Fallujah)
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To: Jazzman1

Here's a link to help you get started....
http://www.stoptheaclu.org/wst_page3.html


34 posted on 11/20/2004 4:14:42 AM PST by Jazzman1
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I'm in. I appreciate the works of FIRE and the ACLJ as well. With Bush in for another 4 (and a coupla Supreme Court nom's), NOW (NOW!) is the time to start a full-court press against the liberal judicial tyranny that has ravaged this country.

Saying that this election was about moral values means, to me, that this election was about stupid, liberal, activist judges (hello, Mass. Supreme Court) that are legislating from the bench. And their partners in crime, the ACLU.

35 posted on 11/20/2004 4:14:44 AM PST by searchandrecovery (No clever ideas in over: 5 days.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Isn't it interesting that the ACLU (Arabic Communist Luciferian Underbelly) makes no objection whatsoever regarding the public schools where Muzzle-em prayer and "Let's Pretend We Are Muzzle-em" activities are now forced upon all the children???

The ACLU is an evil, scum-sucking, treacherous enemy of the U.S.A. !!!


36 posted on 11/20/2004 4:26:20 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: EBH
I agree with you completely
37 posted on 11/20/2004 4:37:44 AM PST by .45MAN ("God bless America and George W. Bush")
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To: SpyGuy

This is more in line with my thoughts too!


38 posted on 11/20/2004 4:44:27 AM PST by stockpirate (Not we must take our mandate and do the deed.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

My letter is going out TODAY...


39 posted on 11/20/2004 5:04:17 AM PST by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

"This site exists for one purpose - to mobilize millions of God fearing patriotic Americans to stand up to the ACLU agenda and consigning it to the ash heap of history (or export it to Communist regions)."

FEISTY! I'm in.


40 posted on 11/20/2004 5:20:59 AM PST by Sirc_Valence (As socialists formed trade unions against employers the ACLU formed against the U.S.)
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To: GeekDejure

Its gonna take time, but the Anti-Christ Lawyers Union is going down.

For phase two of the Reagan Revolution, two the blue states and beyond!


41 posted on 11/20/2004 5:22:53 AM PST by Sirc_Valence (As socialists formed trade unions against employers the ACLU formed against the U.S.)
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To: Sirc_Valence

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42 posted on 11/20/2004 5:23:31 AM PST by Sirc_Valence (As socialists formed trade unions against employers the ACLU formed against the U.S.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

We can only hope.


43 posted on 11/20/2004 5:26:20 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

I wondered why they were never challenged, they gave the impression of having clout. They knew that it costs a lot to come up against them legally and no one had the $$$ to do it for to long.

They have to have a lot of money to be in court continually the way they are, next thing is to find out their major contributors and go after them.

EXPOSE them and their contributors.

Imagine large groups demonstrating and the press that will get, and for free.

Fantastic!


44 posted on 11/20/2004 5:26:37 AM PST by stopem
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Fed up with the ACLU?...
Me too...long ago.
Here's what I do to strike back at these inbred idiots.
Every month I make a donation to the

"Alliance Defense Fund".

These folks train young lawyers and fund counter-suits against the ACLU throughout the United States.
They are very effective and their books are transparent...
The contribution is also TAX DEDUCTABLE!
You can E-mail them for information at:
asears@telladf.org, or call 1-800-TELL-ADF...or
snail mail them at:
15333 N. Pima Road
Suite 165
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
They will gladly answer any and all questions concerning their work to fight ACLU injustice.


45 posted on 11/20/2004 5:58:26 AM PST by libwacker (Ann Coulter in 2008!)
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To: SpyGuy
"Yes, it's time to shut down the ACLU. But don't expect them to go willingly just because we ask them to."

I agree. The only way to eliminate this anti-God cartel is through lawsuits. Hit them where it hurts; their pocketbooks.

A class action suit brought by the many municipalities they've screwed over the past twenty years may be the way to go.

The I think it's the AJLU that is the counter group to the ACLU. Does anyone here have a contact w/ that group?

46 posted on 11/20/2004 6:01:13 AM PST by Pietro
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To: Route101
The ACLU is the most dangerous enemy within our country...

As Cicero wrote: " A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear. "

47 posted on 11/20/2004 6:04:46 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: SpyGuy

It's an outrage that US laws, apparently passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hating cases it itself launches.

That means "values voters" have been footing the bill the ACLU's launching a juggernaut in removing Ten Commandment images, Pledge of Allegiance, Christmas creche and Christmas carol cases, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols.

They have a collected a huge amount of our tax dollars, a left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU. FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism.

We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America.

Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear.


48 posted on 11/20/2004 6:06:54 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: Pietro; Liz

It's the ACLJ
Here is their site:

http://aclj.org/

They do great work, and I agree with Liz, we need to go after the laws AND judges that allow them to continue on their path of destruction of OUR civil rights!


49 posted on 11/20/2004 6:25:44 AM PST by Ros42
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To: sten
if we don't have prayer in school

But we do! We have prayer rooms in public schools for Islamic students. Menorahs have been ruled to be okay in the NY public schools. No Christian prayer.

50 posted on 11/20/2004 6:34:19 AM PST by ladyjane
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