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Mexico seeks greater ties with Iran mullahs
Persian Journal ^ | Nov 19, 2004, 10:42 | unknown

Posted on 11/21/2004 6:19:21 AM PST by JesseJane

Iran News

Mexico seeks greater ties with Iran mullahs

Mexico is ready for expanding ties with Iran on all areas, notably in economy and trade, the deputy of Mexico's foreign ministry for economic affairs, Irma Avriana said on Friday.

Speaking to the grand seminar on Irano-Mexican economic relations, Avriana said Iran was an important power in the Middle East and" we believe expanding ties with Iran will be in the intersts of every country including Mexcio".

Also addressing the audience, the head of Iran's Chamber of Commerce, Alinaghi Khamoushi said Iran enjoyed an economic growth rate of 6.5, adding his chamber tried to strenghten trade bewteen the two countries.


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KEYWORDS: borderpatrol; bushdoctrineunfolds; economy; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; immigration; iran; mexico; mullahs; napalminthemorning; nationalsecurity; nonallymexico; nuclearweapons; religionofpeace; wmd; wot
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To: Jeff Head

jeffhead life-imitates-art ping


21 posted on 11/21/2004 7:20:19 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: datura
And this just in....... :

Rebellious Republicans Derail 9/11 Reform

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041121/D86FU2J00.html

Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., wanted additional provisions dealing with illegal immigration. "Unfortunately, the Senate has refused to consider many of the provisions, tagging them as extraneous or controversial," he said.

A group of 9/11 families praised Sensenbrenner for holding out for his illegal immigration provisions.

"Even though the 108th Congress is at its very end, we urge it to let the bill die until the next Congress rather than further weaken the immigration and border security provisions," said the 9/11 Families for a Secure America in a statement.

We owe Sensenbrenner our thanks.

22 posted on 11/21/2004 7:21:33 AM PST by JesseJane (Air France flights 1192, 491, 288, 751, 216, now boarding...)
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To: BillyCrockett

You wrote :

"Without any doubt...Iran will nuke Israel the first chance they get"

Do you have any proof of this or is it merely conjecture on your behalf ?


23 posted on 11/21/2004 7:24:29 AM PST by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: JesseJane

This might not be too bad, in Iran there must be jobs Iranians wont do for slave wages, that Mexico would only be glad to fill because one pita in Tehran will trade for 10 tortillas in Mexico city. .


24 posted on 11/21/2004 7:29:17 AM PST by seastay
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To: seastay
Here's an interesting read. Also, if you look at the numbers of OTM's sneaking into this country, you might agree we have a SERIOUS problem that goes well beyond cheap labor. Which we all know, ain't cheap.
The Overlooked Catastrophe Coming From the South:

"The Silent Invasion”

www.TheSilentInvasion.com

The problems of drug trafficking, illegal immigration, organized crime, and corruption are what comes to the mind of an average American when asked about Mexico and the border. But Americans rarely take the time to ponder if all these problems, emanate from a common problem—an unseen problem—potentially far worse. That is where Scott Gulbransen’s book, “The Silent Invasion” comes in.

Armed with enough investigation, facts and eyewitness reports to make any defense lawyer whimper, Gulbransen reveals a fraction of the frightening truth about what is going on south of the border, where all threats to the USA mingle. With an overwhelmed and overestimated intelligence community, it is people like Gulbransen who we can rely on to finally notice these things.

What things am I referring to? Marxism, terrorism, intelligence operations, covert economic warfare, corruption—and enemy operatives. In the book, “The Silent Invasion”, Gulbransen makes a stunning case that the rumors about units of Chinese, Cuban, Russian, and North Korean nationals being in Mexico, engaging in various anti-American activities. [ snip ]

25 posted on 11/21/2004 7:36:09 AM PST by JesseJane (Air France flights 1192, 491, 288, 751, 216, now boarding...)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Good morning.

I saw Red Dawn when it first played in Santa Barbara.

There were very nasty protesters (is that redundant?) in front of the theater, mostly students from UCSB and Santa Barbara City College, My girlfriend was a UCSB student and she broke up with me after she was chastised by her fellow students for going to see the movie. She had enough class to be embarrassed. That was one of the things I liked about her. I watch the DVD occasionally and I always think of her.

Michael Frazier
26 posted on 11/21/2004 7:46:07 AM PST by brazzaville (No surrender no retreat, Well, maybe retreat's ok.)
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To: JesseJane

I choose to repeat myself; Mexico and "TACO BOY" are not innocent or just a passing nusiance anymore. They are proving themselves to be major players in world terrorism. This brings home the dangers of open borders and the lack of resolve to properly manage our immigration policies and Laws.


27 posted on 11/21/2004 8:10:43 AM PST by winker
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To: JesseJane
NY Times article:

House Leadership Blocks Vote on Intelligence Bill ( bill could "endanger our troops in the field.")

28 posted on 11/21/2004 8:23:47 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: JesseJane

Note To President Bush: Mexico is not our friend. Write that down in large black letters, please.


29 posted on 11/21/2004 8:23:57 AM PST by ex-Texan (Si triste trop mauvais. Revoyez-vous !)
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To: Bandaneira; Grampa Dave
Do you have any proof of this or is it merely conjecture on your behalf ?

Now how would you establish proof of their intentions except after the fact?

That is an underlying premise of the Bush Doctrine of preemption.....

The fact of the power of nuclear weapons says that waiting for proof is disastrous!!!

30 posted on 11/21/2004 8:28:17 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: BillyCrockett

>What the hell is wrong with Mexico and others willing to trade with Iran?<

I'm afraid it's called THE BAND WAGON, and no one but Satan is driving. Get our POTUS back home immediately!


31 posted on 11/21/2004 8:33:02 AM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge - OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN)
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To: JesseJane

It would appear we are being surrounded, JJ. Too late to lock the barn door, so what to do? Repent, say our prayers, change our ways and pray somemore. Anyone else have any ideas?


32 posted on 11/21/2004 8:38:22 AM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge - OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Just curious. What does Mexico have that Iran wants? Agriculture? Iran already has access to cheap labor, they have their own oil. What else does Mexico produce that Iran would need? They can get their tech stuff from Europe.


33 posted on 11/21/2004 8:46:26 AM PST by umgud (Donate monthly, don't be a Freeploader)
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To: JesseJane
Well, let's see about our history with Mexico.

1836 Texas war of Independence. Mexico lost.

1840-1845 Mexican war. Mexico invaded by US army. Mexico lost about a million square miles of territory, including California--just before the gold strikes.

1850 Gadsden purchase. Southern AZ bought for RR route.

1912-1919 Pancho Villa invades US. General Pershing invades Mexico. Lots of shooting, eventually Pancho Villa hides until he is irrelevant.

1916 Zimmerman telegram, offering southern US to Mexico in exchange for joining with Germany. US enters WW I and Germany loses.


Mexico doesn't have a good track record in opposing the US. I don't recommend it--for THEIR sakes.

In the war on terror, you're with us or against us. Choose well, or lose.
34 posted on 11/21/2004 9:01:34 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Europe: name one nation you have ever liberated. I won't hold my breath.)
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To: America1stParty; All

Last night I did a search for muslims/hispanics. What I find alarming is the huge number of Hispanics in Mexico and the US (mostly LA area) who are converting to Islam. There are at least 13 cities in Mexico with mosques/islamic centers.

Here's a sample:

"Espinoza is one of a growing number of Hispanics who
are leaving Catholicism for Islam, for Protestant
churches, for other faith traditions - or who are
dropping out of any religious practice. Exact numbers
are impossible to come by, but some national Latino
Muslim associations claim "reverts," their term for
converts, in the "tens of thousands."


"Andrew Greeley, the well-known Catholic sociologist
and author, estimates that 60,000 to 100,000 Hispanics
in the United States leave the Catholic Church
annually."
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/Converts/effort.html
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/7130976.htm


36 posted on 11/21/2004 9:20:50 AM PST by AuntB (Most provisional ballots are from voters not eligible to vote!!! Ask a poll worker!)
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To: Bandaneira
You've gotta be joking! You really believe that Iran wants its nuclear power generator for power when it has all the oil and natural gas?


Israel is number 1 on their list and then Sunni countries. If Iran gets the "bomb" there will be a race for the Sunni countries to possess it.

Why do I believe Iran would use the bomb against Israel, because of their rhetoric and their financial, moral and cultural support of anti-Isreal terrorist organizations. I do not believe words that are spoken by any country's state department. I believe the actions the country takes. The actions Iran has taken do not give me any comfort. NONE!
37 posted on 11/21/2004 9:21:40 AM PST by Chgogal ((Pssst. I have it on the best authority that Allah just ran out of virgins. Spread the word.))
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To: Thermalseeker; All

" Why we cowtow to them the way we do is beyond me."


Vincente Fox was just on CNN. He said he was assured yesterday by Pres. Bush that the "Totalization agreement" with Mexico will go forward. Here's some on that:


Totalization: Sellout of American Workers

by Phyllis Schlafly
Nov. 17, 2004
The Democrats are trying to make a campaign issue out of George W. Bush's alleged plan to "privatize" Social Security, scaring seniors into thinking their checks will be cut off. That is a phony issue; all Bush suggests is to offer younger workers the option (not the compulsion) of transferring a very small part of their Social Security benefit into private investments.

The real threat to Social Security doesn't come from giving young people this opportunity. The threat comes from the Bush Administration's plan to load illegal aliens into the Social Security system, an idea that would skyrocket costs and bankrupt the system at the same time that baby boomers flood into their benefit years.

The code word for this racket is "totalization." The United States has totalization agreements with 20 other countries, which have been reasonable and non-controversial, but totalization with Mexico is TOTALLY different.

The idea behind totalization with other countries is to assure a pension to those few individuals who work legally in two countries by "totalizing" their payments into the pension systems of both countries. All existing totalization agreements are with developed nations whose retirement benefits are on a parity with U.S. benefits, and the affected employees work for companies that have been paying taxes into the other countries' retirement systems.

Workers from the other 20 countries come with documents from their employer verifying that they are authorized to work in the United States. Only a minuscule fraction of Mexicans enter with such documents.

The legitimate goal of totalization with other countries is to avoid double taxation for retirement when employers assign their employees to work temporarily in another country. Reciprocity works because there is rough parity between the number of U.S. workers in the 20 other countries and the foreigners from those countries who work in the United States.

But this goal has no relevance to Mexico. There is no parity whatsoever between the number of Mexicans working in the United States and the number of U.S. citizens working in Mexico, and absolutely no parity in the social security systems of the two countries.

Mexican benefits are not remotely equal to U.S. benefits. Americans receive benefits after working for 10 years, but Mexicans have to work 24 years before receiving any benefits.

Mexican workers receive back in retirement only what they actually paid in, plus interest, whereas the U.S. Social Security system is skewed to give lower-wage earners benefits greatly in excess of what they and their employers contributed.

Mexico has two different retirement programs, one for public-sector employees, which is draining the national treasury, and one for private-sector workers, which is estimated to cover only 40 percent of the workforce. The rest of the workers are in the off-the-record economy (euphemistically called the "informal" sector).

The 10 million Mexicans who have illegally entered the United States previously lived in poverty, did not pay social security taxes in Mexico, and did not work for employers who paid taxes into a retirement plan. If they were working at all, it was in the off-the-record economy.

Illegality is no issue with the countries where we have existing totalization agreements because none of them accounts for even one percent of the U.S illegal population. On the other hand, Mexico provides more than two-thirds of the illegals in the United States.

The Bush totalization plan would pay out billions in Social Security benefits to Mexicans for work they did in the U.S. using fraudulent Social Security numbers, something that Americans would go to jail for doing. It would pay Social Security Disability benefits to Mexicans who worked in the United States as little as 3 years.

The Bush totalization plan would lure even more Mexicans into the United States illegally in the hope of amnesty and eligibility for Social Security benefits. The Bush plan would even cover the Mexicans' spouses and dependents who may never have lived in the United States.

Since few if any of the illegal aliens have built up any equity in the Mexican retirement system, what is there to totalize? Totalization is a plan for the U.S. taxpayers to end up assuming the entire burden.

When George W. Bush became President in 2001, the Mexican government expected the United States to pass amnesty (disguised as a guest worker plan and "regularizing" the entry of Mexicans). After 9/11, Mexico's national policy turned to increasing the number of its nationals working in the United States and getting them to qualify for all the social benefits and privileges Americans receive, from driver's licenses to Social Security and Social Security Disability.

The Social Security commissioners of both Mexico and the Bush Administration signed a totalization agreement in June of 2004, but the text of the agreement has been kept secret. Maybe we will be permitted to see it after the President approves it and sends it to Congress.

Let your Members of Congress know you want them to stop this billion-dollar sellout of American workers and taxpayers.
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/nov04/04-11-17.html


38 posted on 11/21/2004 9:24:02 AM PST by AuntB (Most provisional ballots are from voters not eligible to vote!!! Ask a poll worker!)
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To: umgud

"What else does Mexico produce that Iran would need?"

Possibly recruits? See post #36


39 posted on 11/21/2004 9:27:49 AM PST by AuntB (Most provisional ballots are from voters not eligible to vote!!! Ask a poll worker!)
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To: jriemer
Here's another one tracking THE DRAGON'S FURY SERIES :

Putin seeks China, India, Russian, etc. coalition

40 posted on 11/21/2004 9:28:24 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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