Posted on 11/21/2004 4:15:12 PM PST by Jotmo
EXELAND, Wis. - Five people are dead and three injured in a shooting incident that apparently began over a hunting dispute in western Wisconsin.
The confrontation began around noon in a rural area southwestern Sawyer County. Authorities said a hunting party returning to their deer shack reported seeing a hunter unknown to them occupying their tree stand. That led to a shooting.
One of the shooting victims used a walkie talkie to radio back to the deer shack for help. When the victim's hunting partners came to the scene, they were also shot.
Sawyer County was in a virtual lockdown as authorities searched for the gunman. One suspect was eventually taken into custody around 5:15 p.m.
The suspect's name has not been released.
Officials at Lakeview Medical Center in Rice Lake said they have treated at least three gunshot victims. They said one of the victims was transported to a hospital in Marshfield, WI. Another victim is in critical condition and is undergoing surgery. The third victim is in fair condition in the intensive care unit.
"hope Tony is hunting somewhere else this weekend" bump
I also witnessed them riot on the west side of Wausau one summer night...they tried to take over a grocery store and were pelting white folks with rocks hit and elderly man with a rock in the head as he was putting groceries in his car...
When some of the local white kids fought back the cops came and hauled off a few of the white kids but no Hmong kids were arrested..
This is just sickening to me...as they have really ruined the quality of life in the areas they are taking over thanks to the libs the protect them
And this is all thanks to DAVE OBEY Democrat Central Wisconsin Congresscritter
IMO and experience
In years past I did a lot of fishing in the NYC area. It has been my experience that recent immigrants, legal or illegal, hold little regard for private property or conservation rules. Size and bag limits mean nothing to them. Private property, to them, is an infringement on their notion of what a 'free country' is.
Broaching the subject with these individuals elicits hostile responses which quickly escalate.
IMHO, this is probably what happened here.
I don't understand how Obey keeps getting voted in.
Believe it. They're considered a very reliable Democratic bloc here and the few who've made it to elected office are all from the far left wing of the Democratic party. Ironic, huh?
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Don't they have any sense of history??!!?!? John Kerry and the left were responsible for the US leaving Vietnam, which resulted in the deaths of some 3 million people and 1/10th of the entire Hmmong population.
http://www.neoperspectives.com/johnkerry.htm
I thought all people fleeing communist, the Vietnameese, Cubans, Eastern Europeans, etcc... all became staunch Republicans. I wonder what made the Hmmong so different...?Did they get on welfare programs or something?
I think you answered your own question.
Oh my gawd! I told you Kerry didn't know anything about hunting.
I know a fellow who, because he couldn't afford a rifle the first year he hunted deer, used a borrowed SKS with Winchester soft-point ammunition.
He took his limit of deer that year (six deer, of which two must be antlerless here in NC). He reported that, when shot with the appropriate 7.62x39 factory ammo, the deer lay down and died just like they were supposed to.
Hmong find hunting in U.S. strange
American rules, regulations very different from Laos
By Keith Uhlig
Wausau Daily Herald
kuhlig@wdhprint.com
When Houa Lee stalks through the woods in search of that big buck this deer hunting season, he'll be both hearkening back to his roots in Laos and assimilating into Wisconsin culture.
The 39-year-old Weston man first hunted as a small boy. "When I grew up in Laos, we worked on the farm and all that," Lee said. "My uncle taught me how to hunt with a Hmong crossbow."
Lee's hunting was put on hold when he immigrated to the United States. He worked to educate himself and eventually landed a job as a student transition support specialist at Northcentral Technical College. Eight years ago, an NTC colleague talked him into hunting once again. Only this time around, he'll be taking part in a great Wisconsin tradition - a nine-day gun season that begins today.
"Being out there in the woods is physical therapy for me," he said. "Being up close with nature kind of reminds of me of my homeland. Getting away from civilization and the distractions, it's kind of like a time of renewal." Hunting and fishing is as much a part of the Hmong lifestyle as it is for those born and raised in Wisconsin, said Thomas Lee, Wausau's minority affairs director.
The difference is that in Laos, regulations requiring hunters and anglers to buy licenses and adhere to bag limits didn't exist. And sometimes Hmong people don't realize how many rules exist.
"I would say particularly in the older folks, who can't read and can't understand the regulations," Thomas Lee said. "It applies to all kinds of sports, such as fishing. Certain fish you can keep, certain sizes you can keep. These can be troublesome for folks."
The subject even got a mention in the Thursday morning performance of Tou Ger Xiong, a Woodbury, Minn., comedian, storyteller and diversity consultant, who spoke in front of an audience of students at the Grand Theater. Back in Laos, Xiong said, people could just hunt and fish. "Here, they've got licenses for everything," he said.
They were hunters in their native lands. They came here and had some problem adjusting to the concept of game laws and private property. That has passed.
The problem is with their kids getting involved with gangs. The older gen hold consevative principles even though the culture and history differs. Many of the younger ones have been taken in by the same leftist public school/media/street garbage and just as other kids have succumbed, they have entered the ranks of gangland thugs.
The Minneapolis-St Paul area Hmong gangs run drugs over into WI using I-94. I'd bet this clown is a young one associated with those criminals.
Finally, someone with a more 'fair and balanced' report on the Hmong.
Here is an earlier thread, and many there had similar experiences: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164576/posts
Since it appears we are talking about the progeny of former allies who, after immigrating here and being accepted into our communities have fallen into drug dealing, street crime and other assorted felonious behavior (including apparently multiple first degree murders), comparisons to cockroaches may have been a bit harsh *. I'm really not privy to what their maker thinks of them, but I shall upgrade my assessment to "dangerous thugs". Does that suite you?
Regards,
GtG
* To cockroaches everywhere!
Really? That's interesting. We do have some house burnings and shootings going on in the Twin Cities that are due to communist Hmong.
Hmong protest legislation normalizing trade relations with Laos
See #191 and some history of the Vietnam war. The Hmong were America's staunch ally in the war against the commies. Many of America's children sided with the commies and never broke ranks.
Yes, I went back and read a bit of this thread and I guess that is what has/is happening...
From another link:
Some $22.2 million in federal money has been promised to help settle the refugees in Minnesota, Wisconsin and California, with the money paying for such things as day care, job training, language classes and emergency shelter.
Welfare is such a destoryer of everything that is good.
my tag link goes into more detail on this.
They've become fully Americanized. They've learned how to complain and sue for a living.
Sounds like your problem is not the Hmong per se, but rather the Liberal Establishment that has turned this ethnic group (or more likely, their progeny) into a bunch of lawless anarchists.
My point is that you would likely get the same result with any identifiable group of people if you were to put that group into a social environment where they--and only they--are not subject to society's rules. Promoting anarchy only breeds contempt for the lawful.
I'm not excusing the Hmong's criminal behavior. In fact, the obvious solution here is to zealously prosecute the criminal elements within their community. But their lawlessness is a foreseeable result of the Liberal policies you've described. So until the Liberal policies that created this situation are terminated, then any other course of action will merely be treating the symptoms, but not curing the disease.
this from the Milwaukee Jouranl Sentinal [jsonline.com]:
Five dead, three injured after hunter denied access to tree stand
By MEG JONES
mjones@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Nov. 21, 2004
Hayward - Five deer hunters were shot to death and three were wounded Sunday by a man who was hunting from someone else's tree stand in northern Wisconsin, authorities said.
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The bizarre attack happened in the Sawyer County Town of Meteor about noon on the second day of the gun-deer season, a time when hundreds of thousands of deer hunters are in the woods.
Sawyer County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle said a man from the Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minn. area, was arrested about 5 p.m. in Birchwood, just across the Sawyer County border in Washburn County.
Authorities said the rampage started after a hunting party saw a hunter they didn't know occupying their tree stand. That led to a confrontation. One victim used a walkie-talkie to call for help, but when other hunting partners came to the scene they also were shot, said Zeigle.
Some of the victims were from the Rice Lake area.
The wounded - all men - were taken to Lakeview Medical Center in Rice Lake. One man who was more seriously wounded than the other two was airlifted to St. Joseph Hospital in Marshfield where he was in critical condition. The other men were in stable and fair condition Sunday evening after surgery, a Lakeview Medical Center spokesman said.
Bill Wagner, 72, of Oshkosh, was about two miles away near Deer Lake with a party of about 20 other hunters. He said the incident was "very upsetting."
After they got word of a shooting, he and others went to round up the rest of the party. He said they heard sirens, planes and helicopters and noticed the surrounding roads blocked off.
"When you're hunting you don't expect somebody to try to shoot you and murder you," he said. "You have no idea who is coming up to you."
It took about three hours to round up the other hunters, who were up to four miles apart, Wagner said.
The incident won't dampen their hunt, he said.
"We're all old, dyed-in-wool hunters," he said. "We wouldn't go home because of this but we will keep it in our minds. We're not forgetting it."
Jon Sleik, chairman of the Town of Cedar Lake, in neighboring Barron County, said after rumors began flowing that the victims were from the Rice Lake area, many families were worried and desperate for information.
"It just looks like a real ugly situation," Sleik said. "Unbelievable. I guess you don't expect this kind of thing to happen here. I guess you don't expect it anywhere."
Town of Birchwood Chairwoman Jimmie Dimick, who has lived in the community for 40 years, noted that residents refer to this period as "holy week" (because) everybody goes deer hunting."
"Especially for this part of the state, this doesn't happen," Dimick said of the shootings.
Wayne Blackdeer was tending bar at the Country Side Bar in Hayward when he heard about the incident from hunters stopping Sunday afternoon for drinks.
"People were talking about it," said Blackdeer, who listened to authorities on a police scanner call for backup.
"I heard them say four of (the hunters) were DOA and possibly a fifth" was dead on arrival, Blackdeer said.
The shootings were also the talk of the Cruz'in Bar in Hayward.
"Some hunters coming in said that there's somebody out in the woods that has just been shooting people," said bartender Jamie Stark.
An ambulance driver who dispatches out of Hayward was called to the scene west of Exeland in southern Sawyer County, but he said he ended not transporting anyone because there were enough ambulances to handle the victims.
The ambulance driver, who spoke on the condition his name not be used, said he was told five people were dead in the woods and authorities were not allowing anyone to go from the staging area, off of County Highway C and Deer Lake Road, to the crime scene in the woods about a mile away.
A helicopter was seen taking off with one of the victims about 4 p.m. Sunday.
Dave Weitz, a Department of Natural Resources spokesman based in Eau Claire, said several game wardens were assisting at the scene. Weitz has worked for the DNR for decades.
"I can't ever remember anything that sounds like this happening before," said Weitz.
Journal Sentinel reporter Tom Kertscher and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Complete coverage of this story will appear online later today and in the Milwuakee Journal Sentinel in the morning
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