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Relative thinking
The Guardian ^ | 18 Nov 04 | Richard Lea

Posted on 11/22/2004 8:11:10 AM PST by AreaMan

Relative thinking

The death of Jacques Derrida prompted a flood of barbed jokes and criticism of the so-called "anything goes" branch of philosophical thought with which he was most closely identified. What is it about relativism that gets us so hot under the collar? Richard Lea investigates

Thursday November 18, 2004

Jacques Derrida: deep thinker or truth thief?

An announcement from president Jacques Chirac, an attack in the New York Times, a series of puzzled obituaries and a torrent of jokes about deconstructing mortality. "Naturally the coverage of Derrida's death was mixed," says AC Grayling, reader in philosophy at Birkbeck College, "he was a controversial figure." A writer who had made a career out of searching for latent contradictions could have expected no less. The Guardian hailed his "dramatic impact on the study of literature"; Roger Scruton said he talked "nonsense". "Can there be any certainty in the death of Jacques Derrida?" quipped the Times.

But Simon Glendinning, director of the Forum for European Philosophy, read the coverage with a sinking feeling. "From the very first press releases carrying the news of his death it was clear that the papers were going to have a field day with the kind of depressingly familiar distortions of his thought that he had to face so often - and faced so graciously - when he was alive."

The charge sheet is impressive. The New York Times accused Derrida and his theory of relativism (the idea that what is true depends on who you are) of "robbing texts - whether literature, history or philosophy - of truthfulness". Scruton dismissed him as a philosopher who claimed that "anything goes". "Derrida, you could say, carried on the demolition [of objective truth and traditional morality] where Nietzsche left off," the Times declared.

Perhaps it wouldn't be so depressing if this censure were confined to one dashing French thinker, but in fact, the attacks on Derrida are just the latest sortie in a wider campaign being waged against academics, intellectuals and other disreputable figures. Academia is portrayed as a hotbed of fancy foreign notions, a den of dangerous relativists who can't talk straight, can't think straight - and don't even want to try.

"The more obscure and unintelligible the teaching and writing, the better. The goal is to appear profound," says the Telegraph. The Guardian picks up the baton with "to rely on reason, we are told by tenured professors ... is tantamount to relying on a horse and buggy to get around town", while the Times accuses intellectuals of forming "a 'confederacy of dunces' whose first aim is to exclude anyone who thinks out of line, [which] is why university departments in the humanities and social sciences are now such grim, bigoted places."

"Some areas of academic life are indeed pointless and out of touch, precisely because of their embrace of sloppy, fashion-following, jargon-ridden, introverted, authority-besotted nonsense," Grayling nods. "Very little harm would be done if literary critics and postmodernist anthropologists, lawyers and the like were told to go and get real jobs."

The opponents of academia rarely make such clear distinctions between faculties, however, and the caricature they present feeds a set of dangerous arguments. If you believe that academics talk nonsense, for example, then you can safely ignore them and cut their funding - it would be no more than they deserve. After all, as the Times asserts, they have "manufactured their own weapon of intellectual mass destruction, and have disappeared in the resulting puff of smoke". If it is indeed academics who are to blame for "the draining away of intrinsic value for culture and learning" - for dumbing down, cynicism and moral decay - then getting rid of them would almost be a duty.

But who are these relativists that the papers speak of, and how has their dangerous philosophy managed to take over our intellectual culture? They turn out to be harder to track down than you might think. No matter where you look, they are always hiding in the next field.

"Relativism is not a mainstream position in anglophone analytic philosophy", says Grayling. "But it is an important one, in the sense that the challenge of relativism has always had to be addressed." English and American philosophy, then, has stood up to the challenge of a few relativist thinkers, and responded vigorously. This field, at least, has yet to be overrun. But what about philosophy on the continent?

"I don't know of anyone who holds the caricature position," says Glendinning. "There are, however, mainstream and important critiques of various forms of naive realism and objectivism. One only has to think of Kuhn's work in the history of science. Kuhn argued that scientists in different paradigms are not merely interpreting the world differently but are, in an important sense, inhabiting different worlds. The caricature would be: no paradigm is in 'better shape' vis-à-vis 'reality' or 'truth' than any other. But Kuhn does not endorse the caricature. He believes we can make sense of getting a better theory, one that can be judged 'an advance' over another." The relativists, then, seem to have evaporated from philosophy. Perhaps we should look further afield.

"Relativism is the mainstream position for postmodernist theory across a wide range of disciplines - anthropology and literary theory especially," suggests Grayling. "It is easy to believe and takes careful thought to counter, and it feeds PC considerations by the truckload. Also it is espoused by people with enticing and intellectual-sounding foreign names - Manolo Blahniks of the mind rather than the feet."

Let's take anthropology first. Has it been seduced by attractive foreign agents? Are anthropologists teetering around on fashionable but flimsy foundations?

"Modern popular discourse can and does caricature anthropology as 'relativist'," says Wendy James, professor of social anthropology at Oxford University, "but this is to misrepresent its main aims."

"Most social anthropologists would not espouse a moral relativism of the strong type", agrees David Mills, a lecturer in anthropology at Birmingham University, "but an element of methodological relativism is still important. If you go into a society with absolute views about right and wrong these are going to affect your ability to get along with people and your understanding of situations. Approaching controversial issues with sensitivity and respect might be seen as a weak form of relativism, but it is in fact both social courtesy and basic professionalism in a discipline that seeks to make sense of relationships. This doesn't turn anthropologists into moral relativists."

It is easy to see that if you set out to understand how other cultures think about the world then you need to suspend your disbelief for a moment. You need to assume that any strange ideas you may come across make at least some sense - or at least as much sense as the evolutionary biologist who goes to church on a Sunday. "This can make some situations rather tricky," says Mills, "but the anthropologist doesn't have to participate in a circumcision ritual to begin to learn about the social meanings and truths created in a particular community about circumcision."

A weak methodological relativism of the sort that Mills describes doesn't mean that the anthropologist is giving up on truth or on moral judgments. If you want to understand why the Zande suspend a stone from a string while they build a hut then you have to listen while they explain how it will stop the rain from falling. You don't have to believe in witchcraft. If you want to understand why genital mutilation is sometimes a source of pride for young girls then you have to listen while the village elder explains how it ensures she is chaste, clean and ready for marriage. You don't have to condone it.

"When one acknowledges historical and cultural variations, and acknowledges that there is more than one way of human flourishing, that is not to affirm that truth is relative," says Glendinning, "but that what is at issue for evaluation as true and false - what we care about - can and does change."

So if the anthropologists are merely suspending their disbelief - if they too have resisted the appeal of fraudulent foreign nonsense - where are the relativists hiding? "One hears a great deal of noise about how bad things have got in literature departments," suggests Glendinning, "but what I have seen never seems to be quite what one has been led to expect."

"If you asked me to name the leading relativist in the world, I couldn't," says Robert Eaglestone, a senior lecturer in the department of English at Royal Holloway, "because they just don't exist. Relativism has always been a bogeyman used to scare people. No-one's ever lived up to the straw figure of the full-blown relativist constructed by their opponents. If you read any of the usual suspects - Derrida, Rorty, Lyotard, Kuhn - with care, you'll find that none of them ever suggests that 'anything goes'."

Somehow the 'real' relativists always seem to be somewhere else, somehow their wacky notions always seem to evaporate on closer inspection, to turn into something perfectly sensible. But if these relativists are just a tiny minority in academia, or if they really don't exist at all, then why does everybody believe that the humanities are overrun by shifty foreign nonsense? Why does the 'anything goes' caricature of the modern intellectual stick? Why do we distrust everything that snowy-haired French philosophers say?

"Well, it is very difficult to summarise Derrida's thought," says Glendinning. "It, like any serious and penetrating thought, even resists summary - any philosophy that can be summed up in a nutshell belongs in one. People are troubled by a form of critique which challenges our most cherished assumptions - and so they want a caricature."

Eaglestone also points out the impatience of the modern world, the lack of time for anything complicated, and even suggests an uglier motivation, "a thoroughgoing English anti-intellectualism which leads to academics and intellectuals being despised, so any charge will stick." Modern thinkers challenge received ideas, such as the assumption that genes alone determine character, or that art can only be good for you. They are not afraid to tackle institutions on both the left and the right, which has left them with few friends. "People don't like to have their certainties questioned," says Eaglestone. "Sadly that's the academic's job."


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Looks like one of the lost Marx Brothers.

Moral Relativists...the Flat Earth Society of Philosophy

1 posted on 11/22/2004 8:11:10 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

Jacques delinda est.


2 posted on 11/22/2004 8:13:54 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: AreaMan

Can someone deconstruct this?


3 posted on 11/22/2004 8:14:18 AM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: AreaMan
Academia is portrayed as a hotbed of fancy foreign notions, a den of dangerous relativists who can't talk straight, can't think straight - and don't even want to try.
Gee... I wonder why that might be?
4 posted on 11/22/2004 8:14:48 AM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: AreaMan

Relativity was around long before Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity in 1905. Derrida a Relativist? Surreal.


5 posted on 11/22/2004 8:17:53 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: AreaMan
If you believe that academics talk nonsense, for example, then you can safely ignore them and cut their funding - it would be no more than they deserve.

Yes, I fully agree. They talk nonsense, and many entire fields of study should be ignored and defunded. Let us start with the scab pickers in womens' and ethnic studies.

-ccm

6 posted on 11/22/2004 8:19:06 AM PST by ccmay
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To: ccmay

It is unwise to attack cities that have many excellent writers. This is serious business. More serious than some faux monists in the Middle East.


7 posted on 11/22/2004 8:22:13 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: AreaMan

If a philosopher died in a forest and no one understood him, would anyone care?


8 posted on 11/22/2004 8:28:34 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
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To: AreaMan
Moral Relativists...the Flat Earth Society of Philosophy

That's a false characterization. The arguments for moral relativism are actually extremely strong, especially for one of an atheist/objectivist bent, whereby we can supposedly use our reason to derive moral principles by "investigation of the evidence."

The problem is, of course, that all of the evidence we can actually investigate points to the efficacy of various versions of "might makes right." Even if we espouse some set of principles that we deem "absolute," the mere fact of alternate "efficacious systems" renders our principles "relative," despite our wishes to the contrary.

For example, "pure Capitalism" is not "moral" in our usual sense of the term: it's a version of might makes right that uses the same basic principles as the Theory of Evolution, such that "the strong" (in an economic sense) is "the right". Capitalism only becomes "moral" if you paste on other moral principles for which there is no objective evidence, beyond certain utilitarian views -- and once you go utilitarian, you've gone relative.

The reason Moral Relativism pisses people off is that most people "know" that there really are such things as "moral absolutes." But they cannot explain how such absolutes might come to be without reference to something that exists outside of our reason, and what we can observe. At root, it is a religious problem.

9 posted on 11/22/2004 8:35:25 AM PST by r9etb
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To: AreaMan
"People don't like to have their certainties questioned," says Eaglestone. "Sadly that's the academic's job."

I'm not so sure it is. If you automatically assume that "certainties" require questioning, you are bringing an unjustifiable bias to the matter right from the start.

The purpose of academics is to pass on knowledge (to pass it on, you have to have it in the first place) and enlarge bodies of knowledge.

Knowledge is of various kinds, not all of which have equal standing. Meteorology is better at predicting rain than folklore is at preventing it. Both are knowledge but in the "reality-based" world they are not equal. If you question meteorology, you need to question folklore too. One will stand up to the test.

10 posted on 11/22/2004 8:36:59 AM PST by Gingersnap
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To: RightWhale

"Well, it is very difficult to summarise Derrida's thought," says Glendinning.

I disagree. "Solipsism" or the more recent "Clintonesque" both describe Derrida's opus succinctly.

The core of Derrida's thought is the idea that truth is relative. This hoary old heresy is as old as thought itself, so Derrida is something of a latecomer here.

Anyone who thinks that truth can be objectively different because it has different observers OR that there is no such thing as "objective" reality is a solipsist. I prefer the word "nutjob".

Relativism often gets confused with Relativity, but the second is a mathematical description of multiply-observed reality (reality is real and single but stranger than you might suppose), the first is a denial that there is a single, objective reality to begin with.


11 posted on 11/22/2004 8:37:50 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: r9etb

Sounds fair. Consider that just because moral relativism exists that does not imply there is no correct moralism. We might go back to Kantianism and give it another shot.


12 posted on 11/22/2004 8:38:45 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: AreaMan
"If you asked me to name the leading relativist in the world, I couldn't," says Robert Eaglestone, a senior lecturer in the department of English at Royal Holloway, "because they just don't exist. Relativism has always been a bogeyman used to scare people. No-one's [sic] ever lived up to the straw figure of the full-blown relativist constructed by their opponents. If you read any of the usual suspects - Derrida, Rorty, Lyotard, Kuhn - with care, you'll find that none of them ever suggests that 'anything goes'."

Half true Hogwash.

The only part that's true is that moral relativists repeatedly engage in self-contradiction, which is why they can't admit to being relativists. Even they know the meaning of hypocrisy.

Cordially,

13 posted on 11/22/2004 8:40:01 AM PST by Diamond
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To: agere_contra

When Derrida was growing up in Algeria he was for a time without a state, and that right in the town where he had spent his entire life. He was neither this nor that, and above all had no language. Being cut adrift as an involuntary voyage with no point of departure and no destination, but certainly neither deriving nor arriving could have a formative effect of its own.


14 posted on 11/22/2004 8:44:38 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: AreaMan
One more thing:

Looks like one of the lost Marx Brothers...

Yes. His name was Jaco.

Cordially,

15 posted on 11/22/2004 8:46:57 AM PST by Diamond
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To: r9etb

"At root, it is a religious problem."

Absolutely. The real case against utilitarianism IMO is that one of our primary requirements as humans is that we need to be something more than utilitarians.

Secular Humanists (at any rate the ones I have discussed this with) have opined that the religious impulse is a result of half-understood complexity in the human animal.

Religious people OTOH will contend that our religious impulse - that is, our requirement and desire for something beyond what is immediately apparent or available in human experience - defines our humanity along with free will. It is imprinted in us, an imprimatur or maker's mark.


16 posted on 11/22/2004 8:53:45 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: RightWhale

Interesting biographical point.


17 posted on 11/22/2004 8:55:18 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: RightWhale
Consider that just because moral relativism exists that does not imply there is no correct moralism.

I'm not so sure about that. The problem boils down to that of defining "the highest moral good."

A basic expression of relativism might be along the lines of "whatever works best for me," (or us; or for "society," however defined; or for "the species," again however defined). Alternatively, a relativist approach might be built on "concensus," or "what feels right." Any of these are open to judgement on utilitarian grounds, as some will "work better" than others (the definition of "better" being also open to interpretation).

It's much more difficult for us to say that something "IS right," or "IS wrong," because we have trouble finding real evidence to support the claim. When you look at it, this position logically requires the existence of some supernatural agent, both to define right and wrong, and more importantly, to enforce them.

And this is precisely the point at which relativist philosophy gains traction: as a culture we have lost our certainty in the existence of God, and as such have lost our hold on right and wrong.

18 posted on 11/22/2004 8:58:49 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
"But they cannot explain how such absolutes might come to be without reference to something that exists outside of our reason, and what we can observe. At root, it is a religious problem."

Actually religion isn't at all necessary for objective morality. Simply observing the difference in living standards between an anarchical society vs. one based on law and civic principals show that objective morality works whereas subjective morality doesn't.

The reason it works better is that a society working together in cooperation is greater than the sum of it's parts. In no way is that understanding "outside of reason". What could be more objective than that?
19 posted on 11/22/2004 9:03:49 AM PST by monday
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To: AreaMan

Seems like an appropriate time to post...

The Philosophers' Song

by Monty Python

Immanual Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out consume
Schopenhauer and Hegel
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.

There's nothing Nietzche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato they say, could stick it away
Half a crate of whiskey every day
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
Hobbes was fond of his dram,
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart,
"I drink, therefore I am"

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed
A lovely little thinker
But a bugger when he's pissed


20 posted on 11/22/2004 9:10:51 AM PST by protest1
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