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Wisconsin Town in Shock Over Shootings
Monterey Herald ^ | November 22, 2004 | Duluth News Tribune

Posted on 11/22/2004 12:41:19 PM PST by Mr.Atos

Wisconsin town in shock over shootings

Duluth News Tribune

RICE LAKE, Wis. - The community where eight people were shot, five of them fatally, after a hunting dispute Sunday was trying to absorb the horror of the incident today.

"The community is in shock," said Glen Ruie of Rice Lake. "These people weren't murdered. It was a massacre. We're all just trying to cope with it."

Mike Neil, a salesman at Link Motors in Rice Lake, where two of the shooting survivors work, said, "This is insane. This doesn't happen around here."

He predicted that the incident would lessen hunters' enthusiasm for heading out into the woods, at least in the short term.

Meanwhile, the most seriously injured survivor of the Northwestern Wisconsin shooting spree was listed in critical condition today at Lakeview Medical Center in Rice Lake.

The two other men who were shot but survived are in stable condition, said Dr. Lynn Koob, general surgeon at the Rice Lake hospital. All three men were described as in their 40s and 50s and are from Rice Lake. Each was shot once, Koob said.

Five people, one a woman and one a teenage boy, were killed following a dispute over the use of a tree stand. Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul was arrested several hours after the shootings and is being held in the Sawyer County Jail.

The patient in critical condition, Denny Drew, suffered a gunshot wound that penetrated his abdomen from side to side, piercing his pancreas and small and large intestines, Koob said in a morning news conference.

Terry Willers was shot from above in the neck and shoulder, Koob said. His injuries are to the bone. He was transported by helicopter to St. Joseph's Hospital in Marshfield, Wis.

Lauren Hesebeck was shot from the rear in the shoulder and arm. Hesebeck is Drew's brother-in-law.

Koob said the men were shot with a high-powered assault rifle from a range of about 50 yards.

Earlier in the news conference, Ned Wolf, chief executive officer of Lakeview Medical Center, read a statement from the family of the three survivors. It said, in part, "We are grieving for our friends who were killed yesterday, and it is important for us to spend time with our own family today.

"It is also important for the community to know the status of our family and friends." They thanked the community for its care and support.

Wolf announced that a fund has been set up for the shooting victims. Donations can be sent to the Rice Lake Hunters Survivors and Victims Fund, Dairy State Bank, 16 S. Main St., Rice Lake, Wis. 54868.

The Sawyer County Sheriff's Department has scheduled a news conference at 1 p.m., when the names of the five people killed will be released.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: assaultrifle; deerstand; hmong; hunter; hunting; secondamendment; shooting; sniper; vang; wihunters
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Five people, one a woman and one a teenage boy, were killed following a dispute over the use of a tree stand. Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul was arrested several hours after the shootings and is being held in the Sawyer County Jail.
1 posted on 11/22/2004 12:41:19 PM PST by Mr.Atos
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To: Mr.Atos

Perhaps he had 'post election depression syndrome'. BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 11/22/2004 12:43:44 PM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: mlbford2
Something strange. This is a VERY odd incident.

Does Wisconsin have the death penalty?

3 posted on 11/22/2004 12:47:12 PM PST by Mr.Atos (http://mysandmen.blogspot.com)
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To: Mr.Atos

What the hell kind of name is "Chai Vang"?


4 posted on 11/22/2004 12:47:37 PM PST by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Mr.Atos

No death penalty in Wisconsin


5 posted on 11/22/2004 12:49:26 PM PST by writmeister
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To: mlbford2

any takers on my bet that one of our illustrious gang of the usual MN gun grabbers will try to ban SKS rifles this
legislative session?
who will it be? :
1) Nora Slawik
2) Ellen Anderson
3) Satveer Chaudhary
4) John Marty
5) other


6 posted on 11/22/2004 12:49:36 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: Mr.Atos
Five people, one a woman and one a teenage boy, were killed following a dispute over the use of a tree stand.

These news reports are misleading. According to local law enforcement, there was no "dispute". The killer was observed in a tree stand on private property. He was asked to leave. He then climbed down from the tree stand, walked off some 40 yards, turned, and opened fire.
7 posted on 11/22/2004 12:50:35 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: Hank All-American

Hmong


8 posted on 11/22/2004 12:51:07 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: Hank All-American
Vietnamese? Hmong? Just a guess. I think the Minneapolis area has some Vietnamese population.

Just for the record, all the Vietnamese-Americans I've met are outstandingly good citizens. But all ethnic groups have their deviants and nut cases.

9 posted on 11/22/2004 12:51:28 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: Mr.Atos

I grew up in Wisconsin This was never heard of before... accidential shooting yes, but this as a trespassing dispute is horrible... I have not read anywhere where any of the hunters had even threatened this guy, much less return fire.


10 posted on 11/22/2004 12:51:31 PM PST by Americanwolf (www.geocities.com/arizonapatriots/arizonapatriots.html.. Serving those who serve us.)
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To: Mr.Atos
Unfortunately, no.

You'll find more details of this as you go through this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285531/posts

11 posted on 11/22/2004 12:51:42 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Mr.Atos

Does Wisconsin have the death penalty?......


Get real!!


12 posted on 11/22/2004 12:52:09 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: Hank All-American

This "journalist" failed to mention much.....except they did find someone who said that this would dampen enthusiasm to going to the woods......What an idiotic thing to report.

The important fact is that a Hmong immigrant murdered all these people and that they are responsible for a crime wave in the area.


13 posted on 11/22/2004 12:52:21 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: Mr.Atos

No, think Jeffrey Dahmer.


14 posted on 11/22/2004 12:52:42 PM PST by annyokie (If the shoe fits, put 'em both on!)
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To: Mr.Atos
Koob said the men were shot with a high-powered assault rifle from a range of about 50 yards.

I suspect they were shot with a deer rifle, not an assault rifle. You don't see all that many assault rifles up in the tree stands.

15 posted on 11/22/2004 12:53:32 PM PST by gridlock (The Republican Party is a stupid party no more...)
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To: Mr.Atos

No death penalty in WI


16 posted on 11/22/2004 12:54:09 PM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: gridlock

anything more than a .22 with 3 round capacity is an assault rifle- just look it up in your media dictionary.


17 posted on 11/22/2004 12:55:16 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: gridlock
Koob said the men were shot with a high-powered assault rifle from a range of about 50 yards.

I suspect they were shot with a deer rifle, not an assault rifle. You don't see all that many assault rifles up in the tree stands


They were reportedly shot with an SKS, which is neither "high-powered" nor an "assault weapon".
18 posted on 11/22/2004 12:55:39 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: Mr.Atos

I believe Mr. Vang had some Issues with a capital "I".

I've never heard of anybody using an SKS as a hunting rifle, either, but, hey, whatever works I guess. I didn't think they were accurate enough.

}:-)4


19 posted on 11/22/2004 12:55:42 PM PST by Moose4 (I'm not white trash. I'm Caucasian recyclables.)
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To: Ladysmith

Thanks for the link. I looked for any related threads before posting the Herald story which was weak on info.


20 posted on 11/22/2004 12:55:49 PM PST by Mr.Atos (http://mysandmen.blogspot.com)
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To: Rakkasan1

Maybe an assault rifle is defined as a rifle used in an assault...


21 posted on 11/22/2004 12:56:20 PM PST by gridlock (The Republican Party is a stupid party no more...)
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To: rockabyebaby

What was the type of rifle used?


22 posted on 11/22/2004 12:56:29 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (What quantifies this as an assault rifle?)
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To: mlbford2
any one know if there as been any release on why and what the hell was going through this nuts head at the time.

What a horrible thing to happen to these folks
23 posted on 11/22/2004 12:57:19 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

an sks


24 posted on 11/22/2004 12:57:46 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: gridlock

it was an sks, which is just a semi-auto rifle, but the press loves to call it an 'assault rifle'.

No pistol grip.
No detachable mag.
10 round capacity.

Doesn't fit the brady bunch definition of 'assault rifle', but hell, let's call it one anyway!


25 posted on 11/22/2004 12:57:57 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: annyokie
No, think Jeffrey Dahmer

Dahmer got the death penalty alright. Just not from the state.

26 posted on 11/22/2004 12:58:03 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Hank All-American

It's Hmong. (From Southeast Asia)


27 posted on 11/22/2004 12:59:05 PM PST by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: Mr.Atos

Now the Wisconsin taxpayers will get doubly screwed, paying for this upcoming media circus trial, paying for Hmong translators and for Chai Vang's lifetime room and board in prison


28 posted on 11/22/2004 12:59:21 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: gridlock

He had to upgrade. The Deer are now equipped with semi automatic antlers.


29 posted on 11/22/2004 12:59:31 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: Rakkasan1

I did not see the make of rifle. SKS is an assault rifle, but there are lots of rifles that hold 3 or more cartridges. Do we know it was SKS? SKS is a piece of crap: kind of a Saturday-night-special rifle.

That will not make any difference to the gun grabbers. The shootings could have been done with a single shot rifle and they would still want all hunters (and everyone else) disarmed.

From my cold, dead hand...


30 posted on 11/22/2004 12:59:46 PM PST by papadoc1945
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To: shhrubbery!

But all ethnic groups have their deviants and nut cases.

(um...that's kinda blatantly obvious...and stuff.)


31 posted on 11/22/2004 12:59:52 PM PST by chitownfreeper
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To: Moose4

I wonder if he had one of those funny coned hats on.

Why can't he catch deer with a pit full of punji sticks.


32 posted on 11/22/2004 1:02:02 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: papadoc1945

I read somewhere it was an SKS. It's a good,cheap poor man's deer rifle. Put a 5 round , hunt legal clip in it and
you've got a cheap 100 yard woods rifle for deer.
I got one .


33 posted on 11/22/2004 1:03:11 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: flashbunny
sks are on the Curios & Relics Collectible list from the BATF. It hardly fits the AWB category
34 posted on 11/22/2004 1:03:39 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: ezoeni

With eight hunters shot, plus one murderer, surely the press can work in the word "arsenal."


35 posted on 11/22/2004 1:03:51 PM PST by satan
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To: papadoc1945
SKS is an assault rifle,

No, it isn't. "Assault rifles" are selective fire. The SKS is semi-auto only.

SKS is a piece of crap: kind of a Saturday-night-special rifle.

Have you ever owned one? I have two. Both are excellent shooting rifles.
36 posted on 11/22/2004 1:04:37 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: gridlock

you got a way with words. good point.


37 posted on 11/22/2004 1:05:50 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: papadoc1945

The SKS is NOT an assault rifle by any definition of the word.

The SKS is cheap not because it is poorly made, but because they were made by the millions in commbloc countries and they are now being sold in the US because they are no longered needed in their original countries.


38 posted on 11/22/2004 1:07:36 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: gridlock

The be careful when you get in your 'assault car' and use your 'assault knife' to cut up your dinner tonight'. And make sure your kids don't have any dangerous 'assault bats' in the garage.

Oh, and forget about those 'assault hammers'. Throw them out now. It's for the children.


39 posted on 11/22/2004 1:08:59 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

SKS 7.62 mm semiautomatic rifle


40 posted on 11/22/2004 1:11:50 PM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: holymoly

I have two as well. I think everyone should have two :o) I hit clays at 200 all the time with mine plus they are designed to work anywhere and under very bad conditions. Have a buddy that had one that was rusted to heck and it still worked and shot well


41 posted on 11/22/2004 1:11:52 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: Mr.Atos

Yeah, I hear that. I had to dig hard to find anything with new information that wasn't just the basic AP story repeated over and over again. Particularly for names as another poster over there has an employee who is related to one of the victims.


42 posted on 11/22/2004 1:19:10 PM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Mr.Atos

You don't go deer hunting with a clip, He was hunting humans.


43 posted on 11/22/2004 1:23:11 PM PST by LOCHINVAR
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To: Mr.Atos
Happy looking guy.

This booking photo provided by the Sawyer County (Wis.) Sheriff's Department shows Chai Vang on Sunday, Nov. 21, 2004, at the Sawyer County Sheriff's Department in Hayward, Wis.

44 posted on 11/22/2004 1:40:32 PM PST by jcdc
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To: jcdc

Zeigle said the suspect was "chasing after them and killing them," with a SKS 7.62 mm semiautomatic rifle, a common hunting weapon. Wisconsin's statewide deer gun hunting season started Saturday and lasts for nine days.

About 20 shots were fired but it was unclear if any of the hunters had fired at the suspect or who might have shot first, Zeigle said. There was just one gun among the eight people killed or wounded, he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=273117


45 posted on 11/22/2004 1:43:44 PM PST by jcdc
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To: Hank All-American
"What the hell kind of name is "Chai Vang"?

Well it's not Irish.

46 posted on 11/22/2004 1:45:39 PM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: Hank All-American
What the hell kind of name is "Chai Vang"?

Sounds asian to me.

47 posted on 11/22/2004 1:47:40 PM PST by Mogollon
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To: LOCHINVAR
You don't go deer hunting with a clip, He was hunting humans.

What?? I carry a Browning Medallion .270. It's bolt action but has a 5 shot capacity. I don't know anyone but black powder hunters that go out with single shot weapons

48 posted on 11/22/2004 1:48:07 PM PST by tx_eggman ("All I need to know about Islam I learned on 09/11/01" - Crawdad)
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To: Moose4

Do you own, or have you fired an SKS? A Russian or other eastern European model is likely to be a 2" gun at 100 yds. no tack driver, but will do the job at short range, such as in the woods. The 7.62x39mm cartridge is comparable to the .30-30; IOW, it's a decent deer gun. They're used as such in some states.


49 posted on 11/22/2004 1:51:43 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: papadoc1945
SKS is a piece of crap: kind of a Saturday-night-special rifle.

True of some Chicom rifles; NOT true of Russian, Yugoslavian, and East German.

50 posted on 11/22/2004 1:53:14 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (SKS owner)
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