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Say NO To Arnold For Prez (NO FOREIGN-Born Presidents)
Petition Online ^ | 11/23/2004 | Jon Alvarez

Posted on 11/23/2004 11:32:59 AM PST by Jon Alvarez

Like him or not, as Americans we should all stand together to say NO to any change in the US Constitution that would allow foreign-born, naturalized citizens to run for and hold the highest office in this great land...Apparently a movement is underway to change the US Constitution. We must stand up to this and oppose it.


Please sign the No2Arnold Petition


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: amendment; arnold; arnoldforpresident; article2; california; clinton; constitution; constitutionalism; constitutionalists; election; foreignborn; foreigner; hillary; homosexualagenda; legal; liberals; maria; monica; monicaonbill; president; question; republicans; rino; schwartzenrino; schwarzenegger; succession; tereza; vicepresident
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We, the undersigned, stand together in vigilant defense of our great nation. We defend the wisdom behind the decision of the Founding Fathers to limit the ascension to this nation's highest office to "no person except a natural born citizen". We, too, subscribe to this long-held belief that only a native-born American is suitable to gain election to the highest office in the land.

Therefore, in order to prevent foreign subversion, we stand in opposition to any and all efforts to amend Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution that bars the foreign-born from seeking the Presidency. Recent legislation introduced by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher in the House and Sen. Orrin Hatch in the Senate, proposing an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to allow naturalized citizens to serve as President of these United States, necessitates our action in the defense of the sovereignty of our country.

1 posted on 11/23/2004 11:33:00 AM PST by Jon Alvarez
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To: Chieftain; RUSHLUVER; Steely Tom; doug from upland; SirTaurus; nicmarlo

patriot ping


2 posted on 11/23/2004 11:34:19 AM PST by Jon Alvarez
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To: Jon Alvarez

I can't believe this thing would ever pass. Just too hard to pass a constitutional amendment, and there's no groundswell of support.


3 posted on 11/23/2004 11:34:51 AM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Jon Alvarez
What I want to know is whether it is true that Arnold Schwarzenegger had or still has dual citizenship in Austria. I have mixed feelings about opening up the presidency to a naturalized long-term citizen but I am absolutely opposed to letting anyone with dual citizenship anywhere near the presidency of the United States.
4 posted on 11/23/2004 11:35:37 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Jon Alvarez

Listen to me know and believe me later. Ahhnald, will be Das President.


5 posted on 11/23/2004 11:35:46 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Jon Alvarez

Over 80% of all Americans oppose allowing foreigners to serve in the highest office of the nation. Don't let the sellouts and RINOs tell you any different.


6 posted on 11/23/2004 11:35:51 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: Jon Alvarez

This will never pass.


7 posted on 11/23/2004 11:35:55 AM PST by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: Jon Alvarez

I agree with you. No foreign born presidents.

Sorry Arnold...Don't come back. Fix California, give us more movies, but don't open the door for foreign populists to run.


8 posted on 11/23/2004 11:36:47 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Jon Alvarez

NO ACCEPTIONS!


9 posted on 11/23/2004 11:36:48 AM PST by vivabushchick ("Picture a smiley face on the Red States")
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To: NavVet
Listen to me know and believe me later. Ahhnald, will be Das President.

After seeing what happened to the last country that let an ethnic Austrian rise to power, I'll have to pass on that.

10 posted on 11/23/2004 11:36:58 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: Jon Alvarez

When this issue is forwarded by a potential candidate it is certainly self serving at best and at worst dishonorable.

Don't worry, the constitution won't be changed to suit Arnold....

He's just doing what he does best, drumming up publicity, keeping his name in the news. This isn't a serious run...

NeverGore :^)


11 posted on 11/23/2004 11:38:02 AM PST by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: Jon Alvarez

I would not care if he would be the best president since Ronald Reagan ... NO FOREIGN BORN presidents


12 posted on 11/23/2004 11:38:56 AM PST by clamper1797 (VA-93 --- CVA-41 Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72-73)
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To: Jon Alvarez

Why waste the time? There's not a chance on Earth this will ever get through any legislative body. Just ignore this nonsense. No petition is needed.


13 posted on 11/23/2004 11:39:16 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Jon Alvarez

What?

You don't support the "Cult of Personality" Amendment to the Constitution? /s

I think Peru tried this with a Japanese National, didn't they?


14 posted on 11/23/2004 11:39:17 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why did I surf over to FR while I'm on vacation? Happy Holidays everyone!)
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To: vivabushchick

No Exceptions!

There is nothing wrong with the current system where the progeny of naturalized citizens can run for the highest office in the land.

I do not think that is too much to ask.


15 posted on 11/23/2004 11:39:28 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Mount Athos
No never, will I support any change in our Constitution to allow foreign-born individuals to be our President.

Can you just imagine for a moment a Saddam or a binLaden type run for the position and be ELECTED?

16 posted on 11/23/2004 11:39:29 AM PST by GOPologist
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To: vivabushchick

I agree..however, there is ONE way that they might get this to pass..which is what I would do if I were running the campaign. There are two folks known now, whom this would effetc..SArnold and GRanholm..the Dem gov of Michigan.. If they both supported it, but annouced that they would never seek, nor accpet the nominatio..that they were doing it for those who might come after them..then that selflessness would get a lot of attention, and perhaps change minds.


17 posted on 11/23/2004 11:39:45 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Prime Choice

"After seeing what happened to the last country that let an ethnic Austrian rise to power, I'll have to pass on that."

That would be Austria, wouldn't it? What's happening there?


18 posted on 11/23/2004 11:40:04 AM PST by Moral Hazard
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To: Jon Alvarez

Besides, this stupid site wants contact information. They no doubt sell it to spammers.


19 posted on 11/23/2004 11:40:08 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Prime Choice
After seeing what happened to the last country that let an ethnic Austrian rise to power, I'll have to pass on that.

Wait, what has Austria done lately?? ;)

20 posted on 11/23/2004 11:40:17 AM PST by drungus
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To: DannyTN

ditto that!! well said


21 posted on 11/23/2004 11:40:26 AM PST by Jon Alvarez
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To: Jon Alvarez

FReeped!


22 posted on 11/23/2004 11:40:31 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Jon Alvarez
I'm neither pro or con on this issue...BUT...

what the hell...we're all foreigners once or twice removed.

Ahnald has been here... since 1968...34 years....longer than some current Freepers natives.

Let's see what he does as Gov. first.

23 posted on 11/23/2004 11:40:42 AM PST by JimVT (I was born a Democrat..but then I grew up)
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To: Moral Hazard

oohhh, you beat me by 13 seconds - I am so ashamed . . .


24 posted on 11/23/2004 11:41:03 AM PST by drungus
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To: All

25 posted on 11/23/2004 11:41:31 AM PST by Registered (They couldn't find the artist, so they hung the picture)
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To: Jon Alvarez

I am a hispanic totally against the ammendment..but I don't think you should demonize Arnold (picture of him crossed out). If this starts to be perceived as an anti-immigrant proposal and not a common sense US sovereignty protection...the tide can turn in favor of it...Let's oppose this in a smart way.....


26 posted on 11/23/2004 11:41:33 AM PST by StopDemocratsDotCom
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To: Killborn; HitmanNY

ping


27 posted on 11/23/2004 11:41:57 AM PST by Jon Alvarez
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To: MineralMan

This is a waste of time and energy because this thing will never ever pass, no opposition necessary.


28 posted on 11/23/2004 11:42:12 AM PST by Mount Athos
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To: GOPologist

"Can you just imagine for a moment a Saddam or a binLaden type run for the position and be ELECTED?"

We shouldn't allow naturalized citizens to be elected because there are some foreigners we wouldn't like to be president? How is that any more logical than demanding that U.S. citizens not be allowed to be president because we could elect an O.J. Simpson or an Al Sharpton?


29 posted on 11/23/2004 11:42:34 AM PST by Moral Hazard
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To: Jon Alvarez

Put me down for this petition!


30 posted on 11/23/2004 11:43:02 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Mount Athos

I'm having a hard time deciding on which side to come down on this one. Part of me feels like we shouldn't mess with the Constitution, but that goes out the window when we all talk about same-sex marriages. The other part of me feels like if someone has been a citizen for over 20-25 years, then he/she has earned the right to at least pursue the Presidency.


31 posted on 11/23/2004 11:43:12 AM PST by rhc2000
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To: Mount Athos
There is a point, though: a child born to US citizens while they are stationed abroad (military personnel, or diplomats, for example) is a "born citizen, who happens to be foreign-born", and does not need naturalization. There is no reason to exclude such people, and no amendment for them would be needed, just an authoritative clarification of the original text.
32 posted on 11/23/2004 11:43:24 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Mount Athos

many said Arnie would never be Governor of Caaaleeefornya.


33 posted on 11/23/2004 11:43:54 AM PST by Jon Alvarez
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To: Jon Alvarez

I'm on board.

It's not Arnold who is the issue. What stops the Kofi Annons of the world from becoming American citizens and running for President? It will become a worldwide equivalent of Hillary Clinton moving to New York to run for Senate!


36 posted on 11/23/2004 11:45:20 AM PST by Calvarys_Soldier (John Kerry? Who's John Kerry? I should remember that name for some reason...)
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To: NavVet

Only in his own mind will he ever be President.


37 posted on 11/23/2004 11:45:30 AM PST by stockpirate (Not we must take our mandate and do the deed.)
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To: Question_Assumptions

my guess is that he does. most countries allow it, or at least don't forbid it. He would likely have had to renounce his Austrian Citizenship in the presence of an offical of the Republic of Austria and go thru a process to renounce his citizenship of Austria, very unlikely in my opinion. Likely he just let his passport expire and that legally he's still a citizen of the land of his birth.


38 posted on 11/23/2004 11:45:39 AM PST by Murtyo
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To: Moral Hazard; drungus

No guys, it was Germany. Adlof Hitler was born in Brannau, Austria in 1885. He was not a natrual-born German, as much as he claimed he was.


39 posted on 11/23/2004 11:46:03 AM PST by fredhead ("Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." William Penn)
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To: Jon Alvarez
Though I can't wildly enthusiastic about allowing foreign-born presidents, I can't get too upset about it either.

If it were to pass it would be the "Arnold Amendment." Who else would benefit? Albright? Kissinger has never been charismatic enough to run.
40 posted on 11/23/2004 11:46:38 AM PST by Egregious Philbin
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Gee, "Amending the Constitution is much too serious for guaranteeing the Right to Life or the codifying the Sanctity of Marriage" but we must now consider it so that someone, not born in America, can run for President?

Pardon me, but that is really such a simplistic and selfish desire at this time of really important time to be even considered worth discussion.

I believe that the liberals in the media circles are once again talking up their ideas then hoisting them on the American people.

41 posted on 11/23/2004 11:47:00 AM PST by zerosix
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That would be Austria, wouldn't it? What's happening there?

Silly FRiend. Nobody rises to power in Austria. They just shamble toward it.

42 posted on 11/23/2004 11:47:15 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: Jon Alvarez

Does anyone know how many other countries allow non local citizens to be their president? France, Germany, Russia, etc. or is it only the US?


43 posted on 11/23/2004 11:47:44 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: Jon Alvarez

No lame online petition necessary. I'll let the Constitution do my talking for me.

Thanks anyway.


44 posted on 11/23/2004 11:48:16 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: Egregious Philbin
If it were to pass it would be the "Arnold Amendment." Who else would benefit?

George Soros.

If that doesn't give you the heebie-jeebies, go see a doctor.

45 posted on 11/23/2004 11:48:18 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: Jon Alvarez
Apparently a movement is underway to change the US Constitution. We must stand up to this and oppose it.

Apparently? You're not sure, but we MUST do something now? bleat.

46 posted on 11/23/2004 11:49:06 AM PST by Once-Ler (God Blessed America Again!)
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To: Jon Alvarez

What makes Arnold think he is all that when he can't even
turn California around......God Forbid.


47 posted on 11/23/2004 11:49:26 AM PST by Two-Bits (God Bless our Men and Women in the Military. They are HEROES.)
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To: Jon Alvarez

SCHWARZENEGGER IN, MEANS ALSO BILL CLINTON IN, BECAUSE RATS WOULD PUT PRESSURE ON THIS QUESTION (AND THEY WOULD HAVE A VOICE IN). THE REAL PROBLEM, HOWEVER, IS THAT SCHWARZENEGGER IS A RINO! IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM AT THE W.H., I CAN SAY ONLY THAT HE COULD BE DISCREET A VICE PRESIDENT, NOT A PRESIDENT (NEVER).


48 posted on 11/23/2004 11:49:44 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: YouPosting2Me
Does anyone know how many other countries allow non local citizens to be their president?

Last I saw, the U.S. is the only country that people are demanding to permit foreigners to rule. Curiously enough, the U.S. is also the world's only remaining Superpower.

I don't think it's a coincidence.

49 posted on 11/23/2004 11:49:49 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: rhc2000

While I do not share Arnold's views on abortion, I like hom on a personal level, and I can't help but wonder what it would be like with him in charge of the good ol' US of A. If nothing else, it will be a hell of a news cycle.


50 posted on 11/23/2004 11:50:04 AM PST by Trippin
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