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Secular forces 'pushing God to margins'
Telegraph ^ | (Filed: 20/11/2004) | By Bruce Johnston in Milan and Jonathan Petre

Posted on 11/23/2004 3:04:36 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin

A leading contender to become the next Pope launched a fierce attack on the forces of secularism yesterday, arguing that they were fostering intolerance in Europe and forcing Christianity underground.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, 77, one of the Vatican's most powerful figures, issued a rallying cry to the faithful, saying that the liberal consensus had now evolved into a "worrying and aggressive" ideology.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger As a result, "Catholic and Christian religion" had been pushed out of the public debate and was being "driven into the margins".

The warning, in a long interview in La Repubblica, Italy's Left-leaning newspaper, comes as the Bavarian-born cardinal, who is the Pope's doctrinal chief, is being viewed as an important late entry for the papacy.

Coming shortly after MEPs refused to approve the Italian politician Rocco Buttiglione as European justice commissioner because of his strong Catholic views on gays and women, his statements may be seen by some as something of a manifesto.

The cardinal was speaking against a backdrop of rapidly declining priestly vocations in Europe which is worrying Church leaders.

Describing the development of a "secular ideological aggression" across the continent as "cause for concern," the cardinal said: "In Sweden, a Protestant minister who preached about homosexuality on the basis of an excerpt from the scriptures was put in jail for a month.

"Secularism is no longer that element of neutrality, which opens up space for freedom for all. It is beginning to change into an ideology which, through politics, is being imposed.

"It concedes no public space to the Catholic and Christian vision, which as a result runs the risk of turning into a purely private matter, so that deep down it is no longer the same.

"In this sense a struggle exists and so we must defend religious freedom against an ideology which is held up as if it were the only voice of rationality, when instead it is only an expression of a 'certain' rationialism."

In contemporary society, said the cardinal, who is the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, God had been pushed "very much into the margins".

"In politics, it seems to be almost indecent to speak about God, almost as it were an attack on the freedom of someone who doesn't believe," he said.

The cardinal added: "A secularism which is just, is a freedom of religion. The state does not impose a religion, but rather provides free space to those religions with a responsibility to civil society."

The society in which we now lived was one where there was a great deal of transformation.

"Negative birth rates and immigration are changing Europe's ethnic make-up. Above all we've gone from being a Christian culture to one of aggressive secularism which at times is intolerant."

He said that even though "churches were emptying" and people were "no longer able to believe," Christian faith was "not dead".

He said he remained convinced of hope's inner strength, even if the future of the Church lay more in "other continents" than Europe.

Cardinal Ratzinger, once viewed as the likely papal "kingmaker", is now believed to stand a good chance himself precisely because of his advanced years.

Vatican watchers maintain that long-serving popes tend to be succeeded by short-lived "interim" papacies.

Despite his arch-conservative popular image, the cardinal often reveals a frankness and readiness to discuss even the most delicate subjects. .

He admitted that the gulf between the Church and its faithful over sexuality was a matter for "further reflection".

He said that the Pill had "separated sexuality from fertility and so has deeply changed the concept of life itself.

"The sexual act has lost its meaning and purpose. . . to the point that all kinds of sexuality have become the equivalents of each other. The main consequence is the placing of homosexuality and heterosexuality on equal terms."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: europe; ratzinger; religion; secularism
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This certainly has crossed my mind, especially when I think about the Anti Christian Liberties Union.
1 posted on 11/23/2004 3:04:37 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: Right in Wisconsin

I thought Arinze had the inside track to become the next pope.


2 posted on 11/23/2004 3:07:30 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Right in Wisconsin
Let's all pray he can cause a shift in society's ideology. HEHE.
3 posted on 11/23/2004 3:07:30 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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where are the Jesuits
4 posted on 11/23/2004 3:09:29 PM PST by Gibtx (pajamahadeen call to arms.....)
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To: Sam the Sham

I'm no Vatican expert, but it seems to me that Ratzinger is the best hope we Catholics have of undoing the damage of the last 40 years.


5 posted on 11/23/2004 3:10:27 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Ted, the ants are back.")
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To: Right in Wisconsin

The bias of the MSM is patent in the way they characterize the statements.

In another publication he was 'lashing out' and here he is launching 'a fierce attack'.

When you actually read the man's words, it is a rather deliberate statement of fact. Not the histrionic melodrama the writers seem to desire.


6 posted on 11/23/2004 3:12:25 PM PST by siunevada
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To: Right in Wisconsin

I didn't really read the article, but what struck me is that it claims that a 77-year-old man is considered a front-runner to be Pope. He may be perfect in every other way for the job, but I can't see him really being in the running at that age. No disrespect to him or others in their late 70's, but the clock isn't on his side for staying around long enough to do anything of real substance.


7 posted on 11/23/2004 3:22:48 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Right in Wisconsin
An atheist just called Michael Medveds show. He said that all religion needed to disappear. Then he explained that it was because Jews consider themselves Gods chosen people, Christians say he'll go to hell if he doesn't believe, and Muslims will cut off his head if he doesn't believe.

With typical Medved skill Michael argued the guy into a corner. He pointed out that it doesn't matter what Jews and Christians think. After all if Christians and Jews think you're going somewhere you don't believe exists, why is it a problem?

I would have taken it a step further and pointed out that Muslims just might kill you for not believing what they want you to believe.


It's typical for liberals to seek the most archaic and barbaric practices they can find in the old testament and attempt to apply them to Jews and Christians today. Muslims on the other hand live by barbaric and archaic practices today.
8 posted on 11/23/2004 3:23:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
I have followed Ratzinger for quite a while and was shocked with his response to Mel's Passion...he didn't say anything positive about it...

I am not Catholic, but I am devout and love the Church. Yet, when I consider what has been said by Malachi Martin (a Jesuit), I know that there is another force that would love to gain control the Church.

I have always wondered if Ratzinger is a believer or just a man in a job or worse.

I certainly do not mean to judge, but he makes me nervous.

9 posted on 11/23/2004 3:27:30 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Right in Wisconsin
Hmm...mebbe so, but I've found that God has a habit of pushing back.

I think this will be a very interesting dynamic to watch in Europe over the next decade or so. The EU has chosen to deny the reference to Europe's Christian roots in its constitution but I think the intellectual engagement has at last been joined after decades of denial. It may be that the challenge from Islam will force a re-examination of aggressive secularism as both a political and cultural force. I hope so.

10 posted on 11/23/2004 3:27:42 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: cripplecreek

Good work...as usual...


11 posted on 11/23/2004 3:28:58 PM PST by weenie ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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"The bias of the MSM is patent in the way they characterize the statements.

In another publication he was 'lashing out' and here he is launching 'a fierce attack'.

When you actually read the man's words, it is a rather deliberate statement of fact. Not the histrionic melodrama the writers seem to desire."



Ya' know? It would be interesting to see if there is even ONE instance of the MSM describing an Imams words this way.

Any Imam.

Anywhere.


12 posted on 11/23/2004 4:07:14 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: Right in Wisconsin
Ratzinger is really brilliant. A supporter once called him the "Mozart of Theology".
The German MSM demonizes him as medieval. But who cares about these commies? Some wishi-washi-catholics have also got a problem with him. Very Good.
Being a kind of local hero here in southern Bavaria, I got some opportunities to get a very fair and balanced impression of the Cardinal. My only thought was that if there are Catholics as intelligent and witty like Ratzinger my believe cannot be wrong.

Some very fond (and pro-Bush!) supporters have even established a fan page with quotations, essays and other kinds of useful info:

http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com
13 posted on 11/23/2004 4:11:27 PM PST by Kulturkaempfer
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To: Right in Wisconsin
Excellent catch!

Sending prayers for us all, and for Christianity to prevail throughout all its trials.

14 posted on 11/23/2004 4:19:52 PM PST by Hidasta
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To: Billthedrill

I think that insight is brilliant.

By denying their common Christian heritage, they are living a lie. It can't last. Something must change.


15 posted on 11/23/2004 4:22:09 PM PST by Norman Bates (Usama Bin Laden, 1957-2005)
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To: Right in Wisconsin

The socialist "progressives" want to make God illegal. They have already taken it to a point in Europe where professing faith is considered a hate crime.

Here in the US, I actually heard someone (a leftie) say the other day that people who go to church should not be allowed to vote.

Jesus warned us that the day would come where people would revile those who believe in him. I guess we are being blessed in our times.


16 posted on 11/23/2004 4:24:34 PM PST by Owl558 (Don't tread on me!)
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To: Right in Wisconsin

I doubt Cardinal Ratzinger would be elected, but we can hope!


17 posted on 11/23/2004 4:27:54 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Kulturkaempfer

There are some great T-shirts, caps and mugs on sale on the Ratzinger fan club site. Thanks!


18 posted on 11/23/2004 4:36:11 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Right in Wisconsin
"Secularism is no longer that element of neutrality, which opens up space for freedom for all. It is beginning to change into an ideology which, through politics, is being imposed.

This is a powerfully stated characterization.

19 posted on 11/23/2004 5:33:01 PM PST by NilesJo
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To: siunevada

I thought it was clear, concise, to the point.


20 posted on 11/23/2004 7:43:26 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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